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Haven’t seen them yet, I’ll lyk as soon as I can whether or not they come and if they do what they do!
2017-18 State of U.S. Ladies Skating
- Thread starter R.D.
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Haven’t seen them yet, I’ll lyk as soon as I can whether or not they come and if they do what they do!
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They r in the practice rink today, even tho “official” practice was supposed to begin tomorrow. I think It was a mix up in the schedule, or the non updated version u saw online.
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Don't you guys understand, there would be 2 spots, if not Karen? Zero chances for that with Ashley finishing 7th, simply because no other US skater was capable of finishing 1-4th.
That "extra" 3rd spot exists exclusively because of Karen Chen.
That spot is hers.
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No, not really.
You don't know how other people would have done in that spot. Maybe they would have stepped up to the pressure.
Besides, spots are qualified for countries, not individuals. I don't see why this should change just because it's Karen.
You don't know how other people would have done in that spot. Maybe they would have stepped up to the pressure.
Besides, spots are qualified for countries, not individuals. I don't see why this should change just because it's Karen.
The Cursed 3rd Spot
I'd place my bets on the 3rd place not being selected.
In 2006, the 3rd place was not selected because Michelle Kwan had requested the spot and it was given to her. Poor Emily had to travel and compete and miss the inauguration and all that because she was a substitute.
In 2010 there were only 2 spots for American women, so poor Ashley had to wait for 4 years and work hard to earn back that 3rd spot and not be left in case she was 3rd again (alas! she was 4th)
In 2014 the spot was given to the 4th place instead of the 3rd.
Soooooo.....
The 3rd place may be a junior not age ellegible, or a total unknown, or will withdraw due to injury, take your pick.....
I'd place my bets on the 3rd place not being selected.
In 2006, the 3rd place was not selected because Michelle Kwan had requested the spot and it was given to her. Poor Emily had to travel and compete and miss the inauguration and all that because she was a substitute.
In 2010 there were only 2 spots for American women, so poor Ashley had to wait for 4 years and work hard to earn back that 3rd spot and not be left in case she was 3rd again (alas! she was 4th)
In 2014 the spot was given to the 4th place instead of the 3rd.
Soooooo.....
The 3rd place may be a junior not age ellegible, or a total unknown, or will withdraw due to injury, take your pick.....
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You make some good points. However, the reason things look bleak (for me) is not that Karen and Ashley performed poorly this season, but rather they have significant technical deficiencies that don't seem like they will be resolved anytime soon. Ashley could have the same skates she did in Canada and get much higher scores at Nationals, and many here would think she has improved and has become a medal contender again. But then she will go to the Olympics and get the same edge and rotation calls she gets everywhere else internationally. The same is true for Karen and Mirai.
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It is only cursed because of the reality of SPONSORS/$$$$$. Kwan had not even competed that entire season, but was gifted an undeserved spot due to $$$$$$ imho. Her test skate was rocky, though it was closed to the world and media except for pro-Kwan reporters. So she goes there and just as I predicted she'd take a bad fall and then withdraw. Emily Hughes knew this was 99.99% the situation and she was ready and waiting to fly to Turin and compete.
In 2010, Sasha Cohen was the $$$$$ for ratings. There was even talk about Cohen surpassing Wagner AND Nagasu for that second Olympic spot! Why? $$$$. But good for Nagasu to give such a skate that it seemed unbelievable she lost to Reliable-Rachael for the National title that there just could be no way they could displace her for the Oly team.
In 2014, I have no problem with the selection.
In 2018, if Nagasu is third and Wagner is 4th and they go with Wagner..... Totally different scenario. Wagner hit her peak two years ago and has been steadily declining. Even if an ineligible junior skater places third and Nagasu is 4th and Wager is 5th, I'd still go with Nagasu.
This is going to be a tough week for me to watch and read about! I am predicting though the top four to be Tennell, Chen, Nagasu, and Wagner. I would be extremely angry, well not angry but I'd roll my eyes, if Wagner got that third spot AGAIN because she really is the face of US figure skating..
In 2010, Sasha Cohen was the $$$$$ for ratings. There was even talk about Cohen surpassing Wagner AND Nagasu for that second Olympic spot! Why? $$$$. But good for Nagasu to give such a skate that it seemed unbelievable she lost to Reliable-Rachael for the National title that there just could be no way they could displace her for the Oly team.
In 2014, I have no problem with the selection.
In 2018, if Nagasu is third and Wagner is 4th and they go with Wagner..... Totally different scenario. Wagner hit her peak two years ago and has been steadily declining. Even if an ineligible junior skater places third and Nagasu is 4th and Wager is 5th, I'd still go with Nagasu.
This is going to be a tough week for me to watch and read about! I am predicting though the top four to be Tennell, Chen, Nagasu, and Wagner. I would be extremely angry, well not angry but I'd roll my eyes, if Wagner got that third spot AGAIN because she really is the face of US figure skating..
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Don't you guys understand, there would be 2 spots, if not Karen? Zero chances for that with Ashley finishing 7th, simply because no other US skater was capable of finishing 1-4th.
That "extra" 3rd spot exists exclusively because of Karen Chen.
That spot is hers.
The same is true for Nicole Bobek in 1996, who sought a medical bye to Worlds as the reigning 1995 WBMist. She was denied in favor of Tara Lipinski, who finished 15th. Nicole even won a GP medal during the 1995-96 season, something Karen did not do. Obviously, the selection criteria has changed, but Karen's season looks a lot more like Bobek in 1995-96 than Ashley's in 2013-14.
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If Ashley is 4th, it would be hard for her to be put on a second Olympic team without having earned the spot at Nationals, particularly when she isn't even an individual medal contender. The judges and the tech panel have a lot of power to manipulate the marks to get Ashley on the team outright if the USFSA wants her there, as long as she doesn't pop or fall too many times.
What Bradie has going for her is that she doesn't flutz or lip and is not a chronic underrotater. While she doesn't have Ashley's 13+ years of international performing experience, she does show personality and verve on the ice and clearly enjoys performing for the audience.
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That people suggest it could happen, or that it does happen?
Both to be honest, but specifically with the former, sometimes I get the feeling that some are OK with this happening or even encourage(!) doing it as long as their favorite benefits...:disagree:
US girls are just not that good this year. What can you do? It is like 2009-2010 again. If Karen wants her spot, she better be on the podium. Same with all other girls. If you aren't on the podium, you don't deserve to go.
Rachael backed up her 5th place at The 2009 W by winning the National title. Karen can do the same.
I am a big Karen fan, but she shouldn't go over anyone eligible on the podium.
Rachael backed up her 5th place at The 2009 W by winning the National title. Karen can do the same.
I am a big Karen fan, but she shouldn't go over anyone eligible on the podium.
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Is this a failure of coaches or the USFA not properly supporting skaters' progress? Something is lacking, compared to the top Russian ladies. Or is it a matter of age - older skaters have a harder time keeping up with younger skaters? Listening to the teleconference with Lapinski on IN, ladies in general have not progressed in the past 10+ years until Russians like Med. and Zag. came along.
Of course, the ice is slippery and you never know who might crash and burn under the pressure of the Olympics. Wagner has been before and knows the pressure. Med. and Zag. have not. That also might be a factor in choice of ladies who go from the US - who has more international experience and has been in the top few more than others.
Of course, the ice is slippery and you never know who might crash and burn under the pressure of the Olympics. Wagner has been before and knows the pressure. Med. and Zag. have not. That also might be a factor in choice of ladies who go from the US - who has more international experience and has been in the top few more than others.
I was already unhappy, flight too late to see Monday's practice. Now missing two days of practices, even worse.
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People have short memories. Did people forget that after Irina Slutskaya's retirement in the early 2000s to hmm around 2012, there were virtually no top level Russian singles skaters? Tides come and go.
Around the late 2000s to early 2010s, we even had an American skater with Russian ancestry, Ksenia something, who switched countries and skated for Russia, because they were so uncompetitive and she thought she could more likely get international events with them. Didn't happen because she switched just around the rise of Russia and fall off the US, but that was the plan.
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That's the catch 22 in the debate about whether 1, 2, and 3 should automatically go, or if the USFSA should also take previous international results into account.
If you have a star (like world champion Even Lysacek in 2010) but he messes up at Nationals, what will they do? Send him even if he misses the podium, or fudge his Nationals marks to give him third? Did Janet Lynn rreally beat Julie Lynn Holmes in 1972?
Don't you guys understand, there would be 2 spots, if not Karen? Zero chances for that with Ashley finishing 7th, simply because no other US skater was capable of finishing 1-4th.
That "extra" 3rd spot exists exclusively because of Karen Chen.
That spot is hers.
So what happens if Karen and Ashley get 4th and 5th (Bradie, Miria, and Mariah finish above them). Do 2 skaters get bumped so that both get slots?
She was actually born in Russia to Russian parents who came to the US to coach here. And she did skate for Russia--even went to the Olympics. But her career was very short---she could skate a great SP, but was prone to URs in the FS. I'm in San Jose now and don't have access to all my files so I can't provide in depth details.
