what are you trying to debate here? Whether Adam is catty and disingenuous? How about it's not your problem what kind of attitude any of these guys have? You have made multiple posts bashing him, implying that he trash talks other competitors, makes rude comments towards everyone but him, etc, without any real reason or proof behind your words. It's not Adam's fault the USFSA decided to send him instead of Ross, the guy who literally randomly pulled out the best skate he's ever had by like a thousand miles which would never hold up internationally
2017-18 State of U.S. Men's Figure Skating
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what are you trying to debate here? Whether Adam is catty and disingenuous? How about it's not your problem what kind of attitude any of these guys have? You have made multiple posts bashing him, implying that he trash talks other competitors, makes rude comments towards everyone but him, etc, without any real reason or proof behind your words. It's not Adam's fault the USFSA decided to send him instead of Ross, the guy who literally randomly pulled out the best skate he's ever had by like a thousand miles which would never hold up internationally
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The more I think about it, the more perplexed I am with the alternates for the men. The ladies' alternates make perfect sense with the 4th, 5th, and 7th place ladies getting the nod. Why not the men?
It seems when it came to the men the USFSA only decided to consider a very small pool of men. Certain men (coughrosscough) were given alternate spots because, frankly after the nationals results they had no choice. It makes you wonder why they invited so many men to nationals in the first place if they weren't going to be fair to all of them
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Oh, if I were Karen Chen, I would DEFINITELY be tweeting Ashley all good wishes for a great LLL performance at Four Continents.
It's the courteous thing to do, and I am well known for that.
Edit: And I'd also add that I'm soooo excited to see the debut of her fresh new Short Program that she promised.
Again, because I'm such a supportive teammate.
Rubbing salt in the wound: Ross Miner was put in the first half of the exhibition and Adam Rippon in the second half with the other "Olympians." Oh, and Jason Brown gets to skate in the first half as the 6th place finisher but Grant as the 5th place finisher does not.
https://twitter.com/fsonline/status/950181014214557696
I'm just totally disgusted. This just stinks to high heaven.
https://twitter.com/fsonline/status/950181014214557696
I'm just totally disgusted. This just stinks to high heaven.
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They certainly found a way to prop up their Golden boy Jason Brown
I think what they did here was even more of a joke and sneeky then giving even higher PCS marks to make up for the weak tech. content :disagree:
Prop up Jason Brown? Baloney!
Jason found a way to prop up himself this season through his skating. Going into the LP, he had the second (or maybe third,depending on how it’s weighted) best “Body of Work”.
Personally, I would have put Ross on the Oly team. If it is logical or makes sense to replace Ross with Adam, however, then the logical extension is Jason as first alternate.
Finally, Jason deserves every point he gets in PCS. He gets those points in international comps too. So if the USFS is propping him up, they’re doing a good job getting international judges to back them up.
The USFSA officials said Ross wasn't put on the Olympic team because his international scores just weren't up to snuff. Fine 
but then why let skaters like him skate at nationals in the first place if he never had the chance
they might as well just invite only the select few who meet the standard. Yeah nationals will only have 5-6 skaters but it will save all the other men time, emotional energy and money (skating ain't cheap!)
but then why let skaters like him skate at nationals in the first place if he never had the chance
they might as well just invite only the select few who meet the standard. Yeah nationals will only have 5-6 skaters but it will save all the other men time, emotional energy and money (skating ain't cheap!)
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The USFSA officials said Ross wasn't put on the Olympic team because his international scores just weren't up to snuff. Fine
but then why let skaters like him skate at nationals in the first place if he never had the chance
they might as well just invite only the select few who meet the standard. Yeah nationals will only have 5-6 skaters but it will save all the other men time, emotional strain and money (skating ain't cheap!)
I don’t disagree with this and I understand why Ross’ coach is upset. I have always said, send the top three at Nats, period.
But if they’re not going to do that, both Adam and Jason come “ahead” of Ross on body of work.
The glaring omission there is actually Ashley Wagner even though the 4th place dance team is skating. Maybe she declined to skate in the exhibition and Jason was invited in her place?
then don't have a nationals! just invite those who qualify that criteria to a work camp and pick the final team there like they do in women's gymnastics. "body of work" was suppose to be a one of many considerations not the end all that determined everything, at least that's how they presented it
its crazy to let someone compete and then after its over say, "congrats on your medal, but yeah you never really actually qualified for the team to start with. so thanks for being here anyway!" that's just cruel
Ashley wasn't there?
damn, girl really is FURIOUS
Now I'd be really shocked if she went to 4CC
Gymnastics does both a Nationals with a regular annual qualifying system to compete at Nationals (just like skating), and then an official Olympic Trials which is a smaller group. They no longer do a final camp to pick the team since they had to announce the team at Olympic Trials last year in order to keep the "Olympic Trials" title. They do still use those camps for worlds selection though. It's known for causing a whole lot of injuries since the gymnasts have to do so many camps and competitions in a row.then don't have a nationals! just invite those who qualify that criteria to a work camp and pick the final team there like they do in women's gymnastics. "body of work" was suppose to be a consideration not the end all
I don't think Nationals should be limited in an Olympic year. It's still the premiere event for many skaters. However, since skating doesn't do an Olympic Trials, it probably would make sense to invite a select group to a "verification camp" before announcing the team. That way they could keep the flexibility to apply their criteria separately, without having to organize an expensive Olympic Trials event.
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And I seriously doubt that many of those who qualify through sectionals and such have any hope to place higher than top ten at most. I know I’ve heard of skaters saying their goal was top ten or top eight or top five. They know what theyre capable of. For example when Carly gold made it to nationals in 2016, she was wasn’t skating for the podium. She was thrilled to be there and skating at senior nationals. I was wowed by Ross, but I think he suspected last night that he might get bumped even as he stood on that podium. They can’t take that silver medal from him. He should be extremely proud of how he skated. And if he chooses not to retire, I would love for him to come out next year and prove that this result wasn’t a fluke.
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You know, I’m pretty sure that Ross isn’t the only guy who’s grieving for a lost Olympic dream right now. Jason, too, really, really wanted to make the Olympic team, and he was was one of the two guys who earned that third spot. He has to live with the fact that he screwed up his FS.
I’m pretty sure he doesn’t think that being named as first alternate or getting assigned to the gala makes it all fine and dandy. But I’m also pretty sure that he’ll go out there and perform his heart out for the audience, not without heartache, but because he was asked, and because that’s what Jason does. Frankly, I think it would be really nice if you and everyone else here would stop dumping on him.
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Nope, they haven't gotten that far yet, but I think the team event is a factor in why Adam got picked.
No. Adam does not improve our chances in the team event as he has no quad.
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You asked this question in the Ladies' Thread, and I answered there: the team will not be "announced" ahead of time, as USFS considers it part of their strategy per a twitter post I saw. In 2014, Jason, for example, was announced as skating the LP after the SP had been skated, only a day before the LP.
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I expressed my opinion about the decision in the specific thread about it but I guess I kind of want to rephrase my comment there into a question. I do think body of work is important and that based on scores across the season Adam is a much better choice for the team than Ross in a strictly competitive sense. However, I really feel unsettled that Ross was not even given first alternate when he had such an amazing performance.
While many people indeed go to nationals hoping to crack top 10, there are skaters who do compete internationally who we might be able to foster into better competitors if we give them chance to build on their successes. If long-shot podium contenders (not the ones who barely scraped in through sectionals, but the ones who have gone to GPs or even championships in the past) know they can skate lights out and get basically nothing for it (and I mean Grant too, his FS wasn't the best but he was still well above Max Aaron and isn't getting any assignments), what motivation do they have to come at all? If they skate poorly on the GP for whatever reason, they may as well just quit for that season based on this result. I think this decision has the potential to be very demotivating for our middle-tier skaters, and I worry we may well ruin the depth of our field from sending these messages to them. I think the decision to send Adam was the right one, but for Ross to not even make first alternate over a silver medal at nationals? That's the sort of thing that drives both competitors and viewers from the sport.
So what can we do to foster our middle-tier skaters and help them build on momentum if they show new signs of potential? And how can we maintain the importance of a national championship for these middle tier skaters in the face of this sort of decision making? A national silver medal has to mean something, but this nationals really made me question what.
While many people indeed go to nationals hoping to crack top 10, there are skaters who do compete internationally who we might be able to foster into better competitors if we give them chance to build on their successes. If long-shot podium contenders (not the ones who barely scraped in through sectionals, but the ones who have gone to GPs or even championships in the past) know they can skate lights out and get basically nothing for it (and I mean Grant too, his FS wasn't the best but he was still well above Max Aaron and isn't getting any assignments), what motivation do they have to come at all? If they skate poorly on the GP for whatever reason, they may as well just quit for that season based on this result. I think this decision has the potential to be very demotivating for our middle-tier skaters, and I worry we may well ruin the depth of our field from sending these messages to them. I think the decision to send Adam was the right one, but for Ross to not even make first alternate over a silver medal at nationals? That's the sort of thing that drives both competitors and viewers from the sport.
So what can we do to foster our middle-tier skaters and help them build on momentum if they show new signs of potential? And how can we maintain the importance of a national championship for these middle tier skaters in the face of this sort of decision making? A national silver medal has to mean something, but this nationals really made me question what.
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