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2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating

So, the Europeans just ended and I would like to use the opportunity to write my first post here on this forum, although I have been reading it for quite a long time :)

Zagitova was really fierce and I was happy that she finally managed to pull 2 back to back clean skates. I may be one of the many people who likes her SP a lot. From the very beginning I knew it was going to be great, and now that she skated it clean, it really showed its potential. Her facial expression is limited but her arm movements are to die for, they really go well with the music. And at today's FS I liked how she was smiling, like she was enjoying herself for the first time and not just because she had to be smiley. So, congratulations!

At the same time, I was also sad for Zhenya. I have been following her career since she became a senior and it was very difficult for me to watch her fighting for that podium. The lack of practice time due to injury was obvious. In my opinion it wasn't just the jumps that appeared to be hard for her. Her extentions and attention to the detail weren't also there. If you compare her performance tonight and the one from Japan Open - there is a huge difference regarding her performance skills. For me, it felt like she wasn't that invested at the choreography but more like thinking that she has to just bring it to an end and accept the defeat.

From the beginning of this season I just had this feeling that Zhenya is going to have quite a hard time up until the Olympics, contrary to the many people who believed she would remain unbeatable. I remember back in September watching the test skates and for the free program what stroke me, is that she somehow looked devastated and maybe afraid before the beginning of her skate, which wasn't typical for her. Than the same look at Ondrej Nepela Trophy. And at every other competition she had participated at since then up until today. The only time I have seen her like that was at the JWC 2014 when she made mistakes and was very disappointed with herself.

So, what I am trying to say, is that seeing her perform as she did tonight is not only because of the injury. I don't know what has happened during the summer, she did try a new harder layout which apparently didn't work out for her, or let's say wasn't secure enough because it is an Olympic season. And I don't know if it is only the pressure of Alina moving to seniors and taking over the podium. But Med's mentality definitely has changed, she is far more unstable and that reflects on her skating as well. There is is also a great pressure from the federation and from the media. At every competition this season, as we also saw at the Europeans this week, all eyes were on her. I also do get the feeling that she is a bit more distracted as usual.

For me changing to Anna Karenina FS was a very good call but ever since it has all going downhill. I guess their initial strategy was to maximise her PCS (and she has been working on it since last season) so that she can have a cushion again Zagitova. And the strategy for Alina was to maximise her TES because of her lacking presentation skills. However, nobody expected the injury and perhaps for Alina to actually become that good, even unbeatable currently. Also, Med is constantly changing her spin positions which look nice but she has to concentrate on one specific type of them and then get the execution to its maximum because she already looses there to Zagi.

It may sound a little bit harsh but this is my personal observation. I have no intention to hate on any of them, they both are my top ladies and I am grateful that they make this sport so exciting. Wishing them a good luck for the Olys and to stay healthy! :pray:

PS As far as Eteri is concerned - yes, she is more invested in Evgenia. But Daniil is also more invested in Alina and she feels better with him. I guess, they found a way to give an equal support to both girls.
 
Two more thoughts

I don't think Sotskova was robbed here. With such mistakes nobody deserve the bronze. Yes, with another panel she could be ahead of Carolina but now she was unlucky. Same thing I wrote yesterday regarding James/Cipres.

The second part of Zagitova program really adds a lot fire. I have same feelings when during hockey game teams become furious and players start to hit each other using every opportunity.:yahoo:
 
Well, yes, we all suspected or even knew that Eteri's heart is more with Evgenia, but her reaction in the K&C is not something you would have expected from her, as the coach of both of Evgenia and Alina.
 
Great observation, esteticlove! :clap: Congratulations with your first post, especially in this beautiful thread! 🏆
 
So, the Europeans just ended and I would like to use the opportunity to write my first post here on this forum, although I have been reading it for quite a long time :)

You are welcome. For me it seemed like Evgenia skated her soul out today. She was very sincere
 
Two more thoughts

I don't think Sotskova was robbed here. With such mistakes nobody deserve the bronze. Yes, with another panel she could be ahead of Carolina but now she was unlucky. Same thing I wrote yesterday regarding James/Cipres.

The second part of Zagitova program really adds a lot fire. I have same feelings when during hockey game teams become furious and players start to hit each other using every opportunity.:yahoo:

Sotskova was definitely robbed here. She had only one mistake in the free and I'd say she even skated better than usual, with more speed and commitment. Carolina's score was really inflated... 75 in PCS with that disrupted programme is just huge.
 
Sotskova was definitely robbed here. She had only one mistake in the free and I'd say she even skated better than usual, with more speed and commitment. Carolina's score was really inflated... 75 in PCS with that disrupted programme is just huge.

So, she took the bronze in free skating.
 
You are welcome. For me it seemed like Evgenia skated her soul out today. She was very sincere

Actually, I have rewatched her FS now and you made a good point. She did skated her soul out but in a way I haven't seen until now. I found it very emotional and left me crying. Like she was happy to be back but at the same time sad and hurt because she has to admit, she was defeated. The skate was raw and scratchy at some moments just like her emotions. She let us enter into her soul :)

Earlier I was referring to her Japan Open performance in a context that there she showed confidence, a statement that she is the double World champion and is here to get it all. Her arm movements were so refined, the energy during the step sequence, that moment after the spin where she stops and looks at the cameras. It was a masterpiece! I hope we would see something like that at the Olys. Fingers crossed :)
 
Calling It now, Alina will win in Pyeongchang, and Med will either take silver or pull a Pogorilaya. If you think ab It, the past 3 Europeans silver medalists have all not had good follow up competitions, but we’ll see. Kudos to Zhenya for being so gracious. As for Carolina... she needs to know how good she is! She made one mistake and lost all her confidence. Hope she can find it in Korea!
I am sorry but Carolina needs to learn how over rated and marked she is. She constantly has these melt down performances and unlike some she loses the pcs - she loses the artistry and confidence and that is worth deductions or lower pcs
 
Although I always appreciated Evgenia's very pretty, light but solid (and wonderful) skating I always preferred Anna and Elena, but I really warmed to her today.

I felt that her gracious, humble attitude and humility and also the vulnerable yet determined fight she gave today marked her out as a true champ. I think that roughly 95% of skating fans and the skating world feel that she deserves an OGM.
 
All three podium finishers won. Only loser was poor Soskova.

Carolina got yet another free gift.

Alina won Euros and Evgenia showed she is a fighter.
 
My question now is: will Medvedeva change her FS layout in Pyeongchang? Will she backload completely\add a 3Loop combo? It seems like she needs to, otherwise if Alina goes clean she just can't win, even if she skates perfectly (unless they give her 160 like they did at WTT)
 
My question now is: will Medvedeva change her FS layout in Pyeongchang? Will she backload completely\add a 3Loop combo? It seems like she needs to, otherwise if Alina goes clean she just can't win, even if she skates perfectly (unless they give her 160 like they did at WTT)

It’s seems I recall earlier in the season she tried to fully backload and could not pull it off successfully. She will have to try to beat Zagitova on the component marks. Also Medvedeva needs to go for grade of execution. She was not clean today so it’s still unknown what happens when a clean Medvedeva and a clean Zagitova hits the ice.
 
Although I always appreciated Evgenia's very pretty, light but solid (and wonderful) skating I always preferred Anna and Elena, but I really warmed to her today.

I felt that her gracious, humble attitude and humility and also the vulnerable yet determined fight she gave today marked her out as a true champ. I think that roughly 95% of skating fans and the skating world feel that she deserves an OGM.

Yes, I think she deserves the OGM. She was the most dominant lady of the last 4 years. And I want Alina to stay and to progress.
 
Congratulations to Zagitova, on taking the current rules of figure skating all the way to their logical conclusion.

Unless the IOC changes things considerably, that is what the majority of competitive figure skaters will be doing at the next Olympics.
 
I think the narrative heading into Korea as changed a bit but not to the extent that Evgenia should start panicking. Alina was perfect on the SP while Evgenia had an error on a required element and yet only had a lead of less then two points. In the LP Alina was perfect again while Evgenia was scratchy and more cautious and yet only won it by 3.68 points. It was the grade of execution that harmed her but after two months off the ice due to injury it was completely understandable and expected.

Obviously heading into the Olympics Alina has more momentum but despite breaking her winning streak Evgenia did really well considering the circumstances. Euros was a great test to see where she stands and despite what it may seem on the surface it isn't so bad overall. She has the component advantage and her tech. mark is close enough. And now she can buckle down in the weeks heading into Korea and work on cleaning and polishing things up. She knows what she has to do. Clean up the grade of execution, as she's easily capable of doing, and she will stand on the top step in Korea regardless of Alina's great jump prowess.

She fought hard and didn't fold. This will only make her more determined. It will likely come down to the wire like 1998 (only this time I hope the wind blows in favor of my favorite :pray:) so it will be very exciting
 
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