Evgenia Medvedeva to train under Brian Orser

[Shayuki]

God, Averbukh is such a bitter loser meanie. (What I actually want to call him would get my post deleted.)

All I can do



Apparently Averbukh is accusing Evgenia of lying to Brian and also just making up insults that Brian didn't say. People harp on how rude Eteri is, but Averbukh is so much worse. I remember when he basically called Yulia fat because she chose not to use a program he choreographed for her (and the program then went to Evgenia). Have fun choreographing for Alina, if Daniil will let you.

I really can't stand Averbukh. He seems to think that he's some sort of a genious whose brilliance is understood by only a select few when really he's a far worse choreographer than even Daniil is. I really hope that now that Medvedeva is gone, someone else on the team will be burdened with his forcefeed-programs. And what makes matters worse is that Averbukh always feels the need to comment on just about everything and essentially always seeks to simultaneously pump his own importance up.

Really, what Orser said... It wasn't even anything that insulted his programs or choreo.

 

[Sugar Coated]

Well maybe disappointment to "fans" as they want the infallible Medvedeva who never chokes. Now it seems people are interested in identifying who is the next phenom in order to have a "I told you so" moment so I'm really not interested in the market speculators.

I think Evgenia and Brian know the risk and whether there is an OGM for her again, the biggest disappointment she can experience is not trying her utmost best to make it happen on her own terms. I was never a fan of her style and personally believe she's one of the catalysts that has shifted what I want ladies figure skating to be, but I respect her efforts.

Exactly. I think she has a very small chance at OGM in four years, although a lot can change. But really it would eat her up inside if she didn’t do everything in her power to try to make that happen. Switching coaches is part of that. She would have always wondered if she needed a change of coach and choreographer. I also think mentally and emotionally it’s healthy for her to break with Eteri regardless of whether she was going to continue skating or retire. That relationship was not healthy for her.

 

[yoloaxel]

And what makes matters worse is that Averbukh always feels the need to comment on just about everything

It's so true! He literally comments on anything always

 

[JustRozy]

Quote from Averbukh:



So where and when did Orser say "Russians are robots and Canada is free"? Did he really say that?

Of course he did not, what nonsense . Imo, just more hyper-overreactions from people who are addicted to the adrenaline rush of aggressive confrontation...umm...in print.

 

[Sveta]

Quote from Averbukh:
So where and when did Orser say "Russians are robots and Canada is free"? Did he really say that?

it's just Aver being Aver, always ready to make a 'comment'

 

[Manitou]

Apparently Averbukh is accusing Evgenia of lying to Brian and also just making up insults that Brian didn't say. People harp on how rude Eteri is, but Averbukh is so much worse. I remember when he basically called Yulia fat because she chose not to use a program he choreographed for her (and the program then went to Evgenia). Have fun choreographing for Alina, if Daniil will let you.

The real problem is that Evgenia is right in the middle of it. The people who raised her, the people whom she trusted and whom she considered her "family", suddenly do everything to hurt her. If you are hit by a stranger it's not a problem, but when you're hit by your closest family, who know you and know where you are vulnerable - it can break you.
It gets ugly, man, it gets ugly. God save Zhenia.

 

[gmyers]

??? if they raise the minimum age, Russia can still participate as seniors, unless their only strategy its grabbing young girls to compete with the old ones (and because they have more stamina...) which I doubt, I'm pretty sure IF that happen, is going to be a good change, for both juniors and seniors, that way they* could have a long career, and they could get a healthier life, win-win situation

I don’t believe in long careers If they are like kostners. I don’t want a lutz to be an event. If pre 18 ladies can do all triples and quads that’s what I would prefer than older ladies where a lutz is a major event! I would like to see healthy athletes of course in any event! But that can’t be it! The point of sports can’t be that people have long careers. It should be encouraging maxing out potential and if that maxing out means 15 or 16 or 17 that’s the way it’s got to be!! I don’t want regression. I don’t want kostner vs Leonova!

 

[DaNiCG]

If pre 18 ladies can do all triples and quads that’s what I would prefer than older ladies where a lutz is a major event! I would like to see healthy athletes of course in any event! But that can’t be it! The point of sports can’t be that people have long careers. It should be encouraging maxing out potential and if that maxing out means 15 or 16 or 17 that’s the way it’s got to be!! I don’t want regression. I don’t want kostner vs Leonova!

well, in the words of Rafael Arutyunyan "If you don't like it, go and watch junior skating.
"You have a choice: Go to watch jumping or go to watch ladies skate. It's not fair to a lady that the small kid with a boy's body competes against her."

And it can be, it happened, Osmond is very healthy, and its reaching her potential, the only country with this problem is russia, and we all know what happen with their girls after a while, Evgenia was smart to move on they way she did.

Is not about regression, its about fairness, its like people say,if you are the best at 15, you should still be good at 18, if not, then, I guess it wasn't true.

 

[DaNiCG]

Yuna Kim also had a long career, Mao Asada, I can mention every skater cause they have a longer career than the russians hwell:

 

[cruzceleste]

I think we are going off topic

 

[DaNiCG]

true, this is about Evgenia and her future, looking brighter than ever

 

[chopinskate]

God, Averbukh is such a bitter loser meanie. (What I actually want to call him would get my post deleted.)

A few get *ed, but are satisfying. Just sayin'~

 

[beachmouse]

I know he didn’t say “who cares?” I believed that’s the mindset. To dismiss accomplishments in juniors because they may not Last in seniors. That’s attacking the Russian system right now. The Russian system is pre 18 girls doing amazing. Why is this a bad thing that needs to be banned? This is what Medvedeva has joined. A ban the Russian system promoter.

And what is the physical condition of the girls once they become women? Tara Lipinski had the hips of a 70 year old by age 18. It's good for every sporting governing board to review their rulebook with athlete welfare in mind on a regular basis because the skills in the sport change, we learn about long term health effects, etc. As we have learned more and more about concussions, the point at which checking is allowed in the men's ice hockey game becomes an older and older age band and such.

I also feel like there is a big difference between a 20 year old who has reached something of an adult's ability to make decisions for themselves then making a conscious decision to Keri Strug it, even if they know a negative health outcome is likely, and asking a 9-10 year old child to push themselves beyond a reasonable threshold in the name of peaking at age 16. The child does not have the ability yet to make a reasoned decision and evaluate possible outcomes from their actions; at that age if they are serious and loving a sport, it's all about pleasing the coach and parents, even if those parents are effectively throwing them off a cliff. (Literally in the case of diving, where the minimum elite age got raised because the girls diving platform internationally at age 13 were training for that at 9 or 10 with poor long term health outcomes for so many of them)

 

[gmyers]

well, in the words of Rafael Arutyunyan "If you don't like it, go and watch junior skating.
"You have a choice: Go to watch jumping or go to watch ladies skate. It's not fair to a lady that the small kid with a boy's body competes against her."

And it can be, it happened, Osmond is very healthy, and its reaching her potential, the only country with this problem is russia, and we all know what happen with their girls after a while, Evgenia was smart to move on they way she did.

Is not about regression, its about fairness, its like people say,if you are the best at 15, you should still be good at 18, if not, then, I guess it wasn't true.

Osmond did flip toe and not lutz toe and certainly not lutz loop! It’s not just Russia. The new movement would have banned Higuchi from 2018 worlds. I want to see 15 year olds be in seniors because that’s what the hardest is done. Yuna couldn’t do loop. Couldn’t do hard layout in Sochi. Did three double axels in Vancouver.

This is all about Medvedeva. Medvedeva is moving to Canada and to a ban under 18 activist to remove under 18’s as her competion.

 

[Manitou]

I don’t believe in long careers If they are like kostners. I don’t want a lutz to be an event. If pre 18 ladies can do all triples and quads that’s what I would prefer than older ladies where a lutz is a major event! I would like to see healthy athletes of course in any event! But that can’t be it! The point of sports can’t be that people have long careers. It should be encouraging maxing out potential and if that maxing out means 15 or 16 or 17 that’s the way it’s got to be!! I don’t want regression. I don’t want kostner vs Leonova!

Didn't you guys mistake threads? There is a thread for this topic right next to this one.

 

[moriel]

well, in the words of Rafael Arutyunyan "If you don't like it, go and watch junior skating.
"You have a choice: Go to watch jumping or go to watch ladies skate. It's not fair to a lady that the small kid with a boy's body competes against her."

And it can be, it happened, Osmond is very healthy, and its reaching her potential, the only country with this problem is russia, and we all know what happen with their girls after a while, Evgenia was smart to move on they way she did.

Is not about regression, its about fairness, its like people say,if you are the best at 15, you should still be good at 18, if not, then, I guess it wasn't true.

I am actually curious to see if Osmond would be still skating if Canada had 6 girls capable of scoring 200+ or she would have quit after her injury. Just saying.
People, stop blaming it on russian system - russian ladies *can* have a long career as well (see leonova), just not on top level. Tuktamysheva is fine and healthy, Radionova is fine and healthy, and they are even still capable of scoring around the same they used to score back then. They are not going to worlds and euros not because of evil russian system.

 

[DaNiCG]

Averbukh took Orser's comment to another dimension, it was about Evgenia and he took it personal, egocentric much?

 

[Roast Toast]

The proposal to raise the minimum age is considering 16, not 18. I guess it wouldn't be a gmyers post without some doomsday anti-Russian conspiracy busting. Do you think Alina won't be able to do her lutz-loop next season when she is 16? All athletes are essentially racing against the clock, but the clock hasn't even started ticking for some of the junior girls. How different would last season have gone if Alina had had her sudden growth spurt a month before the Olympics instead of a month before worlds?

Also, it's just disheartening to see comments like this. Just a few month ago Zhenya stood before the IOC executive board and pleaded her country's case with poise and graciousness. Perhaps, without her intervention, there would have been no OAR delegation at all at the Games. I guess that all means nothing if you dare to quietly leave a coach that clearly doesn't have any long term plans for your career. I'd like to see the "traitor! traitor!" pitchforks continue when she starts winning again next season.

 

[Shayuki]

The proposal to raise the minimum age is considering 16, not 18. I guess it wouldn't be a gmyers post without some doomsday anti-Russian conspiracy busting. Do you think Alina won't be able to do her lutz-loop next season when she is 16? All athletes are essentially racing against the clock, but the clock hasn't even started ticking for some of the junior girls. How different would last season have gone if Alina had had her sudden growth spurt a month before the Olympics instead of a month before worlds?

Also, it's just disheartening to see comments like this. Just a few month ago Zhenya stood before the IOC executive board and pleaded her country's case with poise and graciousness. Perhaps, without her intervention, there would have been no OAR delegation at all at the Games. I guess that all means nothing if you dare to quietly leave a coach that clearly doesn't have any long term plans for your career. I'd like to see the "traitor! traitor!" pitchforks continue when she starts winning again next season.

There actually is an official proposal to raise the minimum age? And here's the idea - I doubt that it's chance that Alina had her sudden growth spurt after Olympics. My assumption is that she was on a strict diet and training regime until Olympics and as it got loosened up and she had more shows, vacation and less training after the victory, that's when the growth spurt begins. It really is no coincidence and it could be delayed for a month longer if necessary.

 

[KaliM]

There actually is an official proposal to raise the minimum age? And here's the idea - I doubt that it's chance that Alina had her sudden growth spurt after Olympics. My assumption is that she was on a strict diet and training regime until Olympics and as it got loosened up and she had more shows, vacation and less training after the victory, that's when the growth spurt begins. It really is no coincidence and it could be delayed for a month longer if necessary.

Vacations, training and shows can't stop or jump start one's growth spurts, it could have happened any time. How could someone delay it without some short of medication?