Moves that you Miss

[JonnyCoop]

Arabian maneuver?

I am trying for the life of me to find a link to a pic of this move, but since no-one hardly does it anymore I'm having problems. I did find one of Scott Hamilton doing one (he used it a LOT), but the link has expired or some such thing and I can't post it on here because it won't go anywhere. Will keep searching and see what I can come up with.

 

[Zuranthium]

Inside Axel - is this just as obvious as it sounds - inside edge? And wow, is that possible?

Funnily enough I had never heard of this and then yesterday at the rink some guy was visting who used to be a top-level skater (and could still do 3Toes), saw me practicing, and starting teaching me a bunch of different things.

One sequence he showed me was an inside Axel, into a one-footed Axel, into a regular Axel. I did it perfectly on the second try and he was quite impressed.

 

[SeaniBu]

One sequence he showed me was an inside Axel, into a one-footed Axel, into a regular Axel. I did it perfectly on the second try and he was quite impressed.

As am I

 

[SeaniBu]

like the year she put in a Charlotte, kept her programs ever fresh and interesting.

I never saw that, or if I did I fainted and don't recall. When, what ?... The lady could do it all ...well....


Well, Vaguely Maybe I do, but I would have never remembered that on my own. Still not sure????

When?

 

[BravesSkateFan]

In a stag jump the front leg is bent and the back leg is straight. Michelle modified hers by bending the back leg as well.

 

[BravesSkateFan]

What makes this a "modified" stag jump?.

In a stag jump the front leg is bent and the back leg is straight. Michelle modified hers by bending the back leg as well

 

[Mathman]

I never saw that, or if I did I fainted and don't recall. When, what ?... The lady could do it all.

I think she put it into her program for the first time in the 1998-99 season with Arianne. She included various versions up to 2002. Here she is in شهرزاد (Sheherazade, LOL -- did that font show? That's Persian. )

http://heatherw.com/mk/pics/schz/gpf_char.jpg

You won't see Charlottes much any more because they take a long time out of your program and don't score any points.

PS. The reason that I edit my posts so often is that I make so many spelling and grammar mistakes. Then when I read it over, I can't stand it so I have to go back and fix it up.

 

[SeaniBu]

I think she put it into her program for the first time in the 1998-99 season with Arianne. She included various versions up to 2002. Here she is in ?????? (Sheherazade, LOL -- did that font show? That's Persian. )

Yes It shows, was that new with the forum upgrade? I noted some Chinese on a different post too. Nice! I tried posting Japanese a long time ago and it didn't work, so I think it is new. Cool feature.

PS. The reason that I edit my posts so often is that I make so many spelling and grammar mistakes. Then when I read it over, I can't stand it so I have to go back and fix it up.

It is OK by me, like I say I would be a hypocrite if I had a problem with it. I have edited posts days after. I just need to go back and check once and a while. (note what I just did)

I thought the Charlotte counted in the Spiral Sq. ? Filling a requirement of a move. Maybe not thought because you skate it flat?

But you can't beat Sasha's

 

[gio]

You won't see Charlottes much any more because they take a long time out of your program and don't score any points.

I didn't know this. What is ISU thinking!!! Why Charlottes don't score points? Every time I try to like COP and to see the positive things of it, there is something that makes me disappointed again. :disagree:

 

[Mathman]

I didn't know this. What is ISU thinking!!! Why Charlottes don't score points? Every time I try to like COP and to see the positive things of it, there is something that makes me disappointed again. :disagree:

I am not completely sure about how this works. Moves in the field, like an Ina Bauer, don't score any points per se because, well, they are not one of the seven jumps, they are not one of the four spins, they are not one of the two step sequences, so they are not anything.

Maybe they help in the PCSs. Maybe if they lead into something that counts, like a jump, then you get a higher GOE for a difficult entrance.

I suppose you could do a spiral sequence that included a Charlotte as one of several changes of position. This would look pretty stupid, though, bouncing up from a two-second Charlotte into a fire hydrant, then pretzeling around for your forward Biellmann.

 

[SeaniBu]

I suppose you could do a spiral sequence that included a Charlotte as one of several changes of position. This would look pretty stupid, though, bouncing up from a two-second Charlotte into a fire hydrant, then pretzeling around for your forward Biellmann.

I hate to say it but, sounds pretty darn cool to me.

 

[Mathman]

But you can't beat Sasha's

To each his own. Some folks think that Rohene Ward has a nice one . (Charlotte, that is.)

 

[mkdream]

I miss seeing Michelle's spiral, not as technically good as Sasha's but it has great heart to it. OMG, I just quoted Dick Button, LOL.

 

[Mafke]

I miss seeing Michelle's spiral, not as technically good as Sasha's but it has great heart to it. OMG, I just quoted Dick Button

Who must have been on drugs. There's no formal requirement for spirals that the free leg be extended vertically. Spirals are traditionally supposed to be about edges and edge control.
Kwan's rock-solid spiral sequences where miles above Cohen's skittery edgeless contortions.

 

[L82sk8]

Michelle's stag jump:
http://www.usolympicteam.com/photo_gallery/michellekwan/photo02.jpg

What makes this a "modified" stag jump?

That's a falling leaf, not a stag. Stags take off from a flip entrance like a regular split jump. Michelle's split falling leaf is marvelous

 

[mkdream]

Who must have been on drugs. There's no formal requirement for spirals that the free leg be extended vertically. Spirals are traditionally supposed to be about edges and edge control.
Kwan's rock-solid spiral sequences where miles above Cohen's skittery edgeless contortions.

I agree!! I agree!! I love her spiral, more than Sasha's actually but the gush over Sasha's so much that I thought that her's were the standard.....

Since we are on spirals, Can any of the young ladies do a great spiral. The only one I can think of his Aliss Csizzny.

 

[antmanb]

That's a falling leaf, not a stag. Stags take off from a flip entrance like a regular split jump. Michelle's split falling leaf is marvelous

I'm pretty sure that teh picture is a stag jump - Michelle did both a stag jump and split falling leaf in her Aranjuez LP. In the split falling leaf her legs a re completely straight.

Ant

 

[antmanb]

I agree!! I agree!! I love her spiral, more than Sasha's actually but the gush over Sasha's so much that I thought that her's were the standard.....

Since we are on spirals, Can any of the young ladies do a great spiral. The only one I can think of his Aliss Csizzny.

I'm starting to think no. I've youtubed countless competitions now that i didn't see from last season and all of this seasons so far and the one thing i can say without any doubt. Michelle's change edge spiral is in a class of its own - it is the highest benchmark standard of any change edge spiral - the first thing is the edge control throughout the move - the running edge, not a single wobble, the edge shallows out slowly and just tips nicely and controlled onto the outside edge and continue to flow with equal speed, running edge and nice flow. It usually also goe sthe whoel width of the rink with equal curves into and out of the change of edge. I've yet to see anyone do it that well. the rest of teh skaters have some wobbles and bobbles on both edges and the edge change. Most skaters (Slutskaya does this especially in her Bielmann spiral) don't change the edge by controlling their body and placement over the blade, they just pull the skate across onto the other edge in a wild "wiping" sort of action which looks too jerky. Even more have difficulty getting onto the exiting edge deeply enought o call an edge - Sasha....

And i could go on about the sorry state of the female spiral.

Ant

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

That's a falling leaf, not a stag. Stags take off from a flip entrance like a regular split jump. Michelle's split falling leaf is marvelous

It's a classic split, too. Not a fanny out Russian split.

 

[gkelly]

"Stag" or "split" refers to the position in the air, and "falling leaf" (or "half-flip") refers to the takeoff. Most split and stag jumps are done from a flip takeoff with half rotation, so it's usually not specified. If it's done from a falling leaf or half-lutz entrance, then it's worth mentioning the entrance, e.g., "stag falling leaf" or "split half-lutz." And if the flip takeoff is done with a full rotation, it's a "split flip."

Note that "falling leaf" without a modifier is more often a small jump used as a connecting step in jump sequences or footwork and usually not noticeable. The big versions with extended air positions are the exception and worth mentioning. E.g., as "stag falling leaf."