2018-2019 Season - New rules

[chopinskate]

How does this even simplify the charts? A percentage approach based off of what?

Quantum interference.

With the committee's decision making capabilities.

In all seriousness, I do hope they spot the errors soon. It's not exactly unnoticeable.

 

[gkelly]

The increments are the same for every Level despite separate base values.

Well, except for Level B, which has a lower GOE value for each type of element.

How does this even simplify the charts? A percentage approach based off of what?

Based off the value of the Level 1 element, it looks like.

Which could make some sense if the idea was "You achieve the basic requirements for the element. Then you can add levels and you can also add (or subtract) grade of execution, but Level 1 is the base from which you can go up or down and the GOE steps don't change if you add more features/levels."

Except that there is also a Level B which is really the base, and the GOE steps are smaller there.

 

[Danny T]

The proposed new SOV for singles and pairs are out in ISU Communication 2168

Oh boy, 3Lz is 5.80 and 3A is 8.00, but 4Lz is 11.50 and 4A is 12.50. I love the smell of logic

ETA: Oh, and 4A< is worth less than 4Lz< or e. ISU are you kidding me ...

Interesting regarding PCS marking:

In a program containing a Fall or a Serious error the score ten (10) shall not be awarded for any of the Components.
In a program containing Falls or Serious errors the score nine-fifty (9.5) or higher should not be awarded for Skating Skills, Transitions and Composition and the score nine (9.0) or higher should not be awarded for Performance and Interpretation

... but they never defines what is a Serious error :disapp:

 

[Yatagarasu]

4A < is worth LESS than 4Lz < or 4F < and the 4Lo <
And those BVs!

Ahh USFSA is shaking in their little boots I guess

 

[frida80]

Do we know exactly when the ISU will set the new rules for singles?

We get to see it in action at Broadmoor next month. That's the US official test skate for that. I'm hoping we see lots of high level seniors so we can really see how this is going to change things.

 

[Danny T]

And here are the crystal clear, unambiguous bullet points for GOE:

1) very good height and very good length (of all jumps in a combo or sequence)
2) good take-off and landing
3) effortless throughout (including rhythm in Jump combination)
4) steps before the jump, unexpected or creative entry
5) very good body position from take-off to landing
6) element matches the music

1 bullet is +1, ..., 5 bullets or more is +5. +4 and +5 can be awarded only when the first 3 bullet points are met.

 

[gkelly]

... but they never defines what is a Serious error :disapp:

I don't know how the ISU defines it.

For free skate tests, US Figure Skating (2017-18 rulebook, TR 29.02A) defines serious errors as:

1. A fall;
2. Incomplete rotation of a jump, either on the landing or the take off;
3. Two-footed landing on jumps;
4. A touchdown of the hand or free foot needed to save the skater from falling;
5. A blatant change of edge before a jump (such as turning a Lutz into a flip);
6. When a combination jump is required, a turn between the two jumps of that combination;
7. Spins short one or more revolutions (see TR 29.02 (B)(5));
8. Failure to attain the required position(s) in the spin(s);
9. Omission of a required element.

Of course, tests are not the same as competition. And in some cases freeskates are not the same as short programs. And the US test rules are in the process of change as well.

 

[Danny T]

I don't know how the ISU defines it.

For free skate tests, US Figure Skating (2017-18 rulebook, TR 29.02A) defines serious errors as:
Of course, tests are not the same as competition. And in some cases freeskates are not the same as short programs. And the US test rules are in the process of change as well.

Wait a minute, assuming UR is going to be counted as a serious error, that will affect the components??? How even?

(not saying it will be, but ISU better define serious errors, well, seriously )

 

[Yatagarasu]

Oooh look

2. Incomplete rotation of a jump, either on the landing or the take off;

Pre-rotation! Finally!

But ... it'll affect the PCS?
I am not sure it'll be the same for ISU too and it would be super difficult for judges too. We'll see.

 

[chopinskate]

... but they never defines what is a Serious error :disapp:

I have comments and thoughts.

 

[Danny T]

JFC I just can't get over the new SOV It's officially easier to do 3.5 rotations than 4! I love Mathematics!!

Congratulations USFSA, it's the new fourth of July!

 

[Yatagarasu]

Let's do some math magic.

4A << your BV is 3A which will be 8.00

4A < BV is ... 7.50

So a downgraded 4A is worth more than a UR 4A

*bows*

 

[chopinskate]

I think the geniuses who brought us Twilight could conjure up a better scoring system. A shinier one, too.

 

[xeyra]

Interesting regarding PCS marking:

... but they never defines what is a Serious error :disapp:

Some people here are going to LOVE this.

 

[moriel]

Let's do some math magic.

4A << your BV is 3A which will be 8.00

4A < BV is ... 7.50

So a downgraded 4A is worth more than a UR 4A

*bows*

This is delightful.
Well, makes sense. If you do something, do it properly. So if you cannot even << a jump, you will be punished for it.

 

[Danny T]

I think the geniuses who brought us Twilight could conjure up a better scoring system. A shinier one, too.

I think it's all because we complain too much. From when IJS was first used until now, everyone was complaining that figure skating was all about artistry and emotional connection, but now it's become maths.

So now ISU is like, it's not even going to be maths anymore

 

[chopinskate]

Ahh USFSA is shaking in their little boots I guess

Wasn't Camden Pulkinen trying to train the 4A? Hmmm.

I think it's all because we complain too much. From when IJS was first used until now, everyone was complaining that figure skating was all about artistry and emotional connection, but now it's become maths.

So now ISU is like, it's not even going to be maths anymore

Jumping straight to creepy vampire romance novels sounds like a bit too much of a punishment for fans, though. :/

 

[Xen]

Well, I love how the new rules clearly favor jumping. The step sequences and spins get even less points than now. Well, I guess if anyone had any doubt where this sport is headed-jumps jumps jumps (and not all jumps are created equal either, hello 4Lz and 4F!).

 

[chopinskate]

Fingers crossed this "SoV" gets vetoed.

 

[Xen]

And here are the crystal clear, unambiguous bullet points for GOE:



1 bullet is +1, ..., 5 bullets or more is +5. +4 and +5 can be awarded only when the first 3 bullet points are met.

I really don't see how this will work out differently from the current bullets. In the end, it might end up the same.
If you do a quad, unless you do something awful, you'll probably get bullets 1 and 2 easily, 3 is probably going to get awarded enough times. It's really an issue of 4-6, and I see bullets 5 and 6 get award enough. Of course, if you want to play politics, you could opt to play with bullet point 3, especially on jump combinations since those are where the +3 GOEs for jumps happen least often especially where 4-3 combos happen. Also, for the free why would you even do bullet 4 now? Especially since it would mess with bullet point 3, and it's easier to go for bullets 5 and 6 ( match with music seems to be rewarded easily enough).

Also, someone explain to me the logic of the SOV scale between the jumps. I don't get why 3A got devalued-if anything, we see less beautiful 3As, and with the tie of GOE to BV, devaluing the 3A is going to hurt guys who don't have 4F and 4Lz. If anything, since GOE will now tie with BV, for the men it's more of get a 4F and 4Lz or go home. Not sure if that's the message ISU is going for? As for the 4Lo, we don't see it that often, so if quad variety or even jump variety is a goal, why not keep the "rare" quads at the same level so guys might be motivated to go for it? We see enough 4Lz attempts as is (UR, PR ones quite often).

Looking at this new SOV, GOE system, the proposal for an age requirement raise and all the statements about skaters health....the irony....