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She’d lose more points (0.80) than she’d gain with this layout (0.70), though, what with the 3Lo being devalued.
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She’d lose more points (0.80) than she’d gain with this layout (0.70), though, what with the 3Lo being devalued.
Zhenya deffo needs a second 3Lz in her FS.
Hmmm, do we know any skaters who did 2 3Lz in the FS and also had edge issues?
I wanna look for some call statistics (for example, if judges, after seeing one questionable edge will also look closely at the second Lz and call it too).
Hmmm, do we know any skaters who did 2 3Lz in the FS and also had edge issues?
I wanna look for some call statistics (for example, if judges, after seeing one questionable edge will also look closely at the second Lz and call it too).
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I'm actually not sure why they didn't just put the 3Lz into her SP when she was never getting called for it. I'm glad they didn't, but her team is known for milking points, so it's kind of surprising.
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Sima repeat 3F and 3Lz iirc and she's been called on 3Lz for ages. Also Gabby Daleman have flutz but repeat 3Lz.... but TP only have called it ! once/twice and instead have called 3Fe and 3F! few times. Also Mai Mihara have unclear edge/flatz but its nevet got called and her 3F have called e/! Few times instead. Idk TP can be very weird.
i think it would be too much for people(if someone tolerate your flaw you rather don't test where the limit of tolerance is). you want to hide your weakness. easier to hide flutz in fp(more jumps, longer, Medvedeva's charm, etc). thats psychological explanation. or maybe Rusfed said: Dont push your luck
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In addition to what's already been said, I think she would have wanted to keep the backup plan of doing 3Lo3T in case 3F goes awry. She's probably less confident about 3Lz3T, especially if 3Lz may get an edge call - that would really hammer her score.
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I think, because it could have been called at any moment. It wasn't hers/Eteri problem that it didn't. The plan was actually maximizing the BV without risk, in SP by not doing lutz the drop is small. In LP if you don't do a lutz at all, I don't know how much the base value is dropping. I haven't done the various layouts, I guess around 3 points. So the risk is paying off, even if it is called you are in the same BV range as if you haven't done it all.
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I heard there is unwritten rule that judges usually don't call fultz if a skater does it only once in two programs. But Kaetlyn does in twice. So, I'm not sure about it.
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That just can't be true. 
Nice sarcasm, tho 
Osmond is exactly whom I had in mind when I suggested it though. She used to get away with it often too, IIRC.
Nice sarcasm, tho Osmond is exactly whom I had in mind when I suggested it though. She used to get away with it often too, IIRC.
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That just can't be true.
Be careful, no negative posts about Kaetlyn will be left unpunished on this pro-Russian forum
Russian coach from Saint Petersburg Yulia Kulibanova: "athletes are willingly going to Tutberidze now".
Also Yulia Kulibanova is for raising age limit for seniors.
https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1063647436.html
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I agree, but she needs to at least improve her edge more. In her defense, when she does 3Lz without tano in training\warmups her edge actually looks much better (more ! than e), idk why Eteri had her jump it with a tano
Because even a ! call is 50-50.
If she got hammered with e/!, ofc she would do it without tano.
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I want her to improve her edge first before she adds a second lutz. I know itd be better for her if she had a second one in her FP but alas, thats life. It would do her no good if she adds the lutz but then gets called constantly on it. Maybe she shouldnt add the tano to it, I never understood why she did it anyway. Her lutz looks much better without it.
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Best scenario: she adds two more lutzes despite wrong edge but judges are ok and haters are silent because of BOrser
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Best scenario: she adds two more lutzes despite wrong edge but judges are ok and haters are silent because of BOrser
Yes, please, haha! I‘m probably not the right person to talk to about this because I‘m too biased. I never even cared about her lutz, too much of a fan. So if she just adds the lutzes and judges don‘t call on her... I‘d be all for it
But I don‘t think haters would be silent. Even with Borser‘s influence and for once they‘d probably be right about something. I still wouldn‘t care, though.
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Zhenya for the win!
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Yes, please, haha! I‘m probably not the right person to talk to about this because I‘m too biased. I never even cared about her lutz, too much of a fan. So if she just adds the lutzes and judges don‘t call on her... I‘d be all for it
Common, just read some comments under her latest ex (Experience). They are like
I bet Orser mentally coached her from afar so she became better before even moving to CanadaYes evgenia! You became better leaving eteri, stay with orser and all of the world will love you
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Oh, wow, just imagine her growth in 4 years guys, if she's started already!
Every day is an epiphany.
Every day is an epiphany.
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Common, just read some comments under her latest ex (Experience). They are like
I bet Orser mentally coached her from afar so she became better before even moving to Canada
Yeah, that’s her fans. I’m not talking about them course they’re excited. I’m, too. The ex’s glorious. Her haters are... I haven’t actually read anything about her new ex yet, just watched the video, but I can imagine them to be like: „Miming! Miming! Miming! Flutz!“ (yeah I’m aware of the fact that she doesn’t even do a lutz in Experience)
But as long as her fans are excited for her and support her decision to change... let‘s be happy. Who cares that she hasn‘t even been training with Orser yet. That‘s just a minority! Obviously it was like you said: his tremendous mental ability to coach from thousands of kilometres away must have effected her. That‘s how big his influence is. Just the thought of training with him makes you land your triples
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Yeah, that’s her fans. I’m not talking about them course they’re excited. I’m, too. The ex’s glorious. Her haters are... I haven’t actually read anything about her new ex yet, just watched the video, but I can imagine them to be like: „Miming! Miming! Miming! Flutz!“ (yeah I’m aware of the fact that she doesn’t even do a lutz in Experience)
But as long as her fans are excited for her and support her decision to change... let‘s be happy. Who cares that she hasn‘t even been training with Orser yet. That‘s just a minority! Obviously it was like you said: his tremendous mental ability to coach from thousands of kilometres away must have effected her. That‘s how big his influence is. Just the thought of training with him makes you land your triples
Actually, not a single comment about flutz! Even "You-Know-Who" stopped doing vids about Evgenia. But I've read some really dumb negative comments about her in Russian. And her usual proportion 10likes/1dislike has changed to 5/1. But you are right, who cares about haters.
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