2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Shayuki]

No.

She didn't fall or have any UR. The euler combos count as triple-triples, effectively. That's not bombing.

She jumped a 1F and 3Lz-2T and 3Lo-2T combos, having a total of 5 triples. You don't think that's a program with more than one pop?

If a 6 triple program is actually her planned content, does it even matter how consistent she is?

BTW, 3-1-3 isn't a triple-triple combo, it's a 3-jump combo.

I should clarify, some jumps are very good (3S, 3Lo), her 2A is below average. The rest is average for me. I compare her to the 10 senior ladies.
Here is a good summary about her jumps.
https://curiouscat.me/chiburahakkai/post/474523967?1526239038

According to the graphs of the site I quoted, medvedeva's #2 for Salchow(her best), #8 for Flip and #9 for Loop but the other placements aren't very promising and I'm not even sure if #8 and #9 should be enough for "very good height".

That's the main concern because without that bullet point the max GOE she could earn is +2. I'm even more worried about this for Shcherbakova but I hope that she has some more jump height in store if she actually tries to gain height.

 

[yoloaxel]

Hmmm if I had to score Zhenya’s jumps I would only award +4/5 to 3S and 3Lo. She can get +3 on her 3-3 combos, and should get 0/+1 on 2A and Lutz (plus the edge call unless she manages to fix it).

At the same time, I do expect the quality of her jumps to improve/for her jumps to become bigger because that’s kind of what Orser is known for. We’ll see how her jumps evolve and how the judges mark her!

 

[moriel]

I dunno, i somehow cannot say "very good height and very good length" about Zhenya's jumps on average. Maybe her Salchow only.

 

[flanker]

It seems that the salt here against Zhenya is because she didn't want to stick around to see if she could be Eteri's first successful adult skater. She made an assessment and did what she thought was best for herself. Unforgivable, right?

No, that's not salt against Zhenya. It's hardly anything personal towards her. That's nothing more than logical argumentation about Orser's succes with ladies older than 18/19 based on evidence vs. the Orser's defenders who are hardly able to accept any presented facts that could show that he isn't so much more succesful than e. g. Eteri with ladies turning 20.

I underline that this is not anyhow aimed towards Zhenya. But a moth ago when this all started my first question was who of Orser's ladies is the example of long-lasting succesful lady. No, I did not receive any material answer, I was just blamed and marked as hater who can't deal when somebody disagree with him. Now I see it's still the same.

So, making myself more clear. Zhenya is free lady who can choose her coach by her own! I completely respect that and her decision doesn't change my view of her as an exceptional FS lady and I wish her all the success sheis able to achieve. But that, on the other hand, does not mean that I have to agree with any of her (new) fans who can't deal with any doubts and more importantly who can't withstand any doubts about Orser as "the only and holy genious coach". Howgh.

 

[Caustica]

I am happy, since i am an avid airplane stalker, and spend most of the time in the airport watching them land and take off.
But yep, interior decorations would be great too. Also, maybe showing sporting videos is a bit too much (not everybody likes them), but for example making performances of the athletes available for people to watch?

Yes, that's what I meant. Everything on the inflight entertainment system is on demand, I meant that it would be nice if the choices were available for people who were interested. Perhaps people could see the decorations and think, "who is that person?", and go to watch the videos, and become introduced to new athletes that way

 

[moriel]

Yes, that's what I meant. Everything on the inflight entertainment system is on demand, I meant that it would be nice if the choices were available for people who were interested. Perhaps people could see the decorations and think, "who is that person?", and go to watch the videos, and become introduced to new athletes that way

Or maybe even offer it as a top menu option. "This plane features athletes, wanna know who they are?"

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

https://instagram.com/p/BkLFVfTlsrr/

Where is Tarakanova?

 

[tars]

https://instagram.com/p/BkLFVfTlsrr/

Where is Tarakanova?

She probably blew her nose with the tissue.

 

[frallik]

I wonder Tursynbayeva wins Medevedeva at the stages of Grand Prix? If the latter gets the right to take part in them.

 

[cohen-esque]

I wonder Tursynbayeva wins Medevedeva at the stages of Grand Prix? If the latter gets the right to take part in them.

 

[Fluture]

I wonder Tursynbayeva wins Medevedeva at the stages of Grand Prix? If the latter gets the right to take part in them.

Of course! Tursynbaeva with her inconsistency and her tiny jumps would absolutely win over Medvedeva, two times GPF champion! And Medvedeva doesn‘t get the right to participate, you‘re right, why would you let a two times Olympic silver medalist participate in the GP stages? Oh honestly, the nerves of some people!

 

[KiraraChin]

No, that's not salt against Zhenya. It's hardly anything personal towards her. That's nothing more than logical argumentation about Orser's succes with ladies older than 18/19 based on evidence vs. the Orser's defenders who are hardly able to accept any presented facts that could show that he isn't so much more succesful than e. g. Eteri with ladies turning 20.

I underline that this is not anyhow aimed towards Zhenya. But a moth ago when this all started my first question was who of Orser's ladies is the example of long-lasting succesful lady. No, I did not receive any material answer, I was just blamed and marked as hater who can't deal when somebody disagree with him. Now I see it's still the same.

So, making myself more clear. Zhenya is free lady who can choose her coach by her own! I completely respect that and her decision doesn't change my view of her as an exceptional FS lady and I wish her all the success sheis able to achieve. But that, on the other hand, does not mean that I have to agree with any of her (new) fans who can't deal with any doubts and more importantly who can't withstand any doubts about Orser as "the only and holy genious coach". Howgh.

Wow, I wasn't even talking to you. I guess I touched a nerve there...

Let me guess: Your 'logical argumentation' is that Eteri and Brian have similar levels of success post-18 because Eteri won silver with Zhenya whereas Brian won gold with Yuna. Which means silver = gold? If only Zhenya could see this way, right... :roll eye:

It's not about Orser being genius or infallible. It's about a skater looking at a coach and thinking: 'This person has the skill set and experience that could help me achieve my dream'. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[Fruitpie]

Let me guess: Your 'logical argumentation' is that Eteri and Brian have similar levels of success post-18 because Eteri won silver with Zhenya whereas Brian won gold with Yuna. Which means silver = gold? If only Zhenya could see this way, right... :roll eye:

So, by your logic Ravi don't know how to work with women either, because Osmond wasn't even close to Zhenya, and 18 y.o. Zhenya is a example of failed attempt of Eteri to coach someone 18+?
Does that mean that the only right choice for Zhenya would be Morozov? Since he won gold with Shizuka in 2006?

 

[KiraraChin]

So, by your logic Ravi don't know how to work with women either, because Osmond wasn't even close to Zhenya, and 18 y.o. Zhenya is a example of failed attempt of Eteri to coach someone 18+?
Does that mean that the only right choice for Zhenya would be Morozov? Since he won gold with Shizuka in 2006?

I didn't say that. Of course she could have gone to some other coach.

What I said is that Brian has coached a post-pubescent body to gold, while Eteri hasn't (yet?). Which makes his experience more relevant to Zhenya because she's also past puberty.

However, some other users said that there's "really no difference" between Zhenya's silver and Yuna's gold. Backread a bit and you'll see

 

[Fruitpie]

However, some other users said that there's "really no difference" between Zhenya's silver and Yuna's gold. Backread a bit and you'll see

And I agree with them. Difference between Zhenya and Yuna is a far less than between Zhenya and Gabby.

 

[KiraraChin]

And I agree with them. Difference between Zhenya and Yuna is a far less than between Zhenya and Gabby.

The thing is, Zhenya doesn't feel this way. She's not satisfied with the silver, she wants the gold. She wants what Yuna Kim achieved with Brian.

If you're not happy about it, go and tell her that

 

[tars]

I bet Evgenia would've won 'grab the tissue' competition easily, if she'd been on the team. :taunt:

 

[yoloaxel]

I dunno, i somehow cannot say "very good height and very good length" about Zhenya's jumps on average. Maybe her Salchow only.

I think her Salchow and Loop can probably pass the test - although, again, it all depends on how the judges decide to apply the bullets... which, yeah. Let's see what skaters like Polina, Liza Tuk get and then we'll have a better idea I think.

 

[yoloaxel]

So, making myself more clear. Zhenya is free lady who can choose her coach by her own! I completely respect that and her decision doesn't change my view of her as an exceptional FS lady and I wish her all the success sheis able to achieve. But that, on the other hand, does not mean that I have to agree with any of her (new) fans who can't deal with any doubts and more importantly who can't withstand any doubts about Orser as "the only and holy genious coach". Howgh.

As a (not so new) Zhenya fan, I actually agree with you. Orser is a great coach, but he still has a lot to prove in the ladies field, as he hasn't had a really successful lady since Yuna (who was 19) - sure, Gabby won 4CC silver and WC bronze so it's not like he's been a total failure either. I just think he has to prove himself and Zhenya is actually a great way for him to do it: if he manages to make her jumps better and her skating bigger without killing her consistency, then he will lead her to great results.

It's a gamble for him and for her - she chose him and she might have made the right choice, especially under the new system, and if she thinks he is the best option for her than she has done the right thing moving - plus, his training method is definitely more merciful than Eteri's for a woman's body, which will hopefully allow Zhenya to have longevity. Orser has created amazing champions like Javi and Yuzu and, to an extent, Yuna. At the same time, it is a risk that they are both taking, as Zhenya was extremely successful under Eteri and Orser hasn't had that much to say in the ladies field in a while.

Both of them have everything to prove - which is what makes it all exciting

 

[zounger]

I bet Evgenia would've won 'grab the tissue' competition easily, if she'd been on the team. :taunt:

I don't know Alena K looked very natural talent on that.