2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Fluture]

This is a polar vision. In addition to haters and "fans", there are many adequate follower who were shocked.

But why, though? Skaters are humans, too, why do you expect them to never do anything wrong? Alina‘s probably had her moments of weakness, too, where she wasn‘t the sweet and humble girl we know. It‘s only natural. Just like Polina and Liza and Maria and Daria and every skater we know. But the thing is, we don’t know of their private outbursts because no one told the public. Skaters are humans. Humans have emotions. Humans say things they later regret. It happens. If people are seriously expecting any of these girls to always stay classy, always be nice and friendly and smiling, well, I‘m sorry but you‘re going to be disappointed anyway because that’s not going to happen. They aren‘t dolls who are just there for your amusement to look at and always have to behave the way you want them to or feel is morally correct or „-setting a good example“. They‘re human beings and just like you and me, they have every damn right to make mistakes. And this isn‘t about Zhenya at all. It applies to people in the spotlight in general. Actors, writers, models, athletes. People seem to forget that just because you‘re famous you don‘t stop feeling the way normal people do. These huge expectations are getting ridiculous because they can‘t be fulfilled in any way.

 

[Orlov]

But why, though? Skaters are humans, too, why do you expect them to never do anything wrong? Alina‘s probably had her moments of weakness, too, where she wasn‘t the sweet and humble girl we know. It‘s only natural. Just like Polina and Liza and Maria and Daria and every skater we know. But the thing is, we don’t know of their private outbursts because no one told the public. Skaters are humans. Humans have emotions. Humans say things they later regret. It happens. If people are seriously expecting any of these girls to always stay classy, always be nice and friendly and smiling, well, I‘m sorry but you‘re going to be disappointed anyway because that’s not going to happen. They aren‘t dolls who are just there for your amusement to look at and always have to behave the way you want them to or feel is morally correct or „-setting a good example“. They‘re human beings and just like you and me, they have every damn right to make mistakes. And this isn‘t about Zhenya at all. It applies to people in the spotlight in general. Actors, writers, models, athletes. People seem to forget that just because you‘re famous you don‘t stop feeling the way normal people do. These huge expectations are getting ridiculous because they can‘t be fulfilled in any way.

If this just only this words, I would be fine - it's just moment of weakness, inded. But I can clearly see on the scene in KiK her attitude - she believed that the coach had to give her more. Instead of being grateful, she blames the coach! Then there was this awful leaving. Attitude. I clearly see that she turned from an athlete into a pop star. For "fans", this is not a problem. But for me it's a problem

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Where on earth in the KnC did she look like she believed Eteri needed to give her more? At the Olympics, she was crying probably because she knew that SHE HERSELF had not done enough to win. In other KnC's she's always been happy and bubbly.

 

[Orlov]

Wait, this thing's still going on? I thought we'd established several things during that... stunning week.

new guy in a town

 

[Fluture]

If this just only this words, I would be fine - it's just moment of weakness, inded. But I can clearly see on the scene in KiK her attitude - she believed that the coach had to give her more. Instead of being grateful, she blames the coach! Then there was this awful leaving. Attitude. I clearly see that she turned from an athlete into a pop star. For "fans", this is not a problem. But for me it's a problem

What scene do you mean exactly? In the Kiss and Cry? She was crying after her performance but managed to pull herself up and smile even though her lifelong dream of the Olympic Gold had just been crushed. I don‘t think any of us can imagine the pain, the tears, the effort and the dedication skaters and athletes in general put into such a dream. I don‘t see where she blamed the coach either, quite the contrary, she thanked Eteri for her lifelong work. Brian said on their very first meeting she told him that she didn‘t want to say anything bad about Eteri. So, I just can‘t see where she did some of the things you said, I‘m sorry.

I agree on the leaving part, though. It wasn‘t handled perfectly, that‘s true. But again... I seriously don‘t care about this anymore because I‘ve accepted that we as spectators can‘t know what‘s going on behind the scenes so we shouldn‘t judge that much. Medvedeva and Eteri parted ways, whether it was done correctly or not, and talking about it won‘t change a thing.

I see the points you (and other users) are making, I really do. It‘s just that on most of them, I cannot agree. But I don‘t think I have to and neither do you. We‘re all entitled to have our opinions. But can‘t we just leave the Eteri/Evgenia topic in the past and focus on the things they do now, right at the moment. It‘s getting repetitive.

 

[TGee]

Unconvincing, sorry. It was enough for her to calmly and firmly answer - "Ask other coaches about that - they were around all the time. No more comments" - it would be a hammer blow!
But the most importantly - Eteri, knowing that Zhenya could answer so, would never dare to lie so horribly.

But why would Zhenya make such a public friction?

She's clearly trying to 'take the high road'. Whether this is because

-she doesn't feel comfortable speaking against the coach who formed her;

-she doesn't want to get a negative Rep with her federation when she's being permitted to train out of country; or

- her new coach Orser wouldn't be pleased

Or all of the above.

Snarking to media to ask the other coaches just doesn't fit. But it's interesting that the media didn't independently validate Eteri's report of the conversation.

I do think that Zhenya did make a kind of statement when she didn't bring Eteri flowers, which is a typical way to thank a teacher.

In a country where there are 24 flower shops to assist with every possible awkward social situation, this is a quite a thing.

 

[chopinskate]

new guy in a town

OK.

1 a. Eteri sucks.
1 b. Eteri doesn't suck.

2 a. Med sucks.
2 b. Med doesn't suck.

You are now up to speed.

 

[Orlov]

Where on earth in the KnC did she look like she believed Eteri needed to give her more? At the Olympics, she was crying probably because she knew that SHE HERSELF had not done enough to win. In other KnC's she's always been happy and bubbly.

I cited the link, gave the translation. Sarcastically say to his coach "well... you have an Olympic champion "- this is wrong, this shows attitude.
Eteri spoke directly in an interview that Zhenya did not accept the results of the Olympiad, that "We talked with her by whole team, we tried to figure out how she got the second place"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2G4XzPZOdY&feature=youtu.be&t=108
Again - team. It's not only Eteri words. Go and ask team.
(By the way, this is one interview, but our TV-gays for the hype divided it into two parts and presented with an interval of a week. As a result, Eteri's words were badly presented)

 

[ejnsofi]

If this just only this words, I would be fine - it's just moment of weakness, inded. But I can clearly see on the scene in KiK her attitude - she believed that the coach had to give her more. Instead of being grateful, she blames the coach! Then there was this awful leaving. Attitude. I clearly see that she turned from an athlete into a pop star. For "fans", this is not a problem. But for me it's a problem

What kind of attitude? Crying after leaving her whole heart on ice after the worst season in her career losing her dream and giving some people FINALLY :disagree: sick satisfaction that she was beaten by another Russian girl at greatest stage of all - Olympic Ice. Not to mention she was still suffering from injury (injury doesn't end with healed bones). And after all that she still managed to smile after the scores were announced. Heck... she was the first one to congratulate Alina when Eteri was PR-ing herself to officials.

And do you really think Daniil and Sergei who work with Eteri would say "Yeah, Eteri lies"?! They most likely would say they didn't hear anything as it was really loud at the arena. Maybe I'd try to believe Eteri if she didn't have problems before with handling departure of her students.

Also being Zhenya, Polina, Yulia or any other ex-Eteri student I wouldn't give any statement as well. It wouldn't simply be worth my time and nerves.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

I cited the link, gave the translation. Sarcastically say to his coach "well... you have an Olympic champion "- this is wrong, this shows attitude.
Eteri spoke directly in an interview that Zhenya did not accept the results of the Olympiad, that "We talked with her by whole team, we tried to figure out how she got the second place"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2G4XzPZOdY&feature=youtu.be&t=108
Again - team. It's not only Eteri words. Go and ask team.
(By the way, this is one interview, but our TV-gays for the hype divided it into two parts and presented with an interval of a week. As a result, Eteri's words were badly presented)

I don’t understand how one sarcastic comment made in the heat of emotion somehow means that she has an attitude problem but you can gloss over all the wonderful, sweet, endearing things she has said and done

 

[frallik]

You are choosing to believe Eteri when she has continually lied about skaters who have left her. That's your problem.

Is it right to understand that the words of ET are as false as Medvedeva 2Gold at EuroChamp, 2GPF & 2WC Gold + 2 silver at the OG 2018?

Yuna Kim called Brian Orser a liar right in the face, still there was a question of $68 000 prize money. Then he remained silent. Now Jenny chose to keep silent. Just the facts - direct and merciless.

Deciding to continue her sports career with Orser, Medvedeva said - quotes, I chose a new home, where I will be among the people closest to me - quotes. In Moscow she left thousands of fans, beloved, by her words, dog and grandma. The one who for 11 long years to her granddaughter fame and success was taking her to FS practice.

in the same interview, she said quotes - 11 years I lived with my eyes closed. Now I opened them and realized what does a real life mean - quotes. Is it possible to become a FS champion of everything in anabiosis? Hundreds of millions live their happy lives differently than EM. None of them was & will be Evgenia Medvedeva in FS.

For those who have chosen sport of the highest achievements it is LIFE itself. There is no other way. You can not combine noisy parties until the morning & pastime at laksheri resorts surrounded by glamorous icons with the achievement of the highest results. That confirms 10-times Canada and 3-time WC champ Patrick Chan as well as plunged into the glamour and became noname Radionova.

 

[MedoLove]

If Eteri was lying about this situation (about Alina), why Zhenya did not refute? It's nothing shameful about this. And she just could refer to Dudakov and Daniel - they were all the time beside her after leaving the ice and in KiK. They must heard everything. Here:
https://viuly.io/video/og2018-ladies-fs-warm-up-4-220241
She could just say - "ask them" when she answered the journalists' question about this situation.
By the way, on 55.36 Zhenya says to Eteri: "(now you have) Olympic champion, I congratulate you" with sarcastic intonations. Eteri's face became alarmed. Between them begin the altercation. I think that Zhenya did not have a sporting attitude - she began to perceive herself as a star.

I really can not believe that this discussion continues. But I see that they are the same users as always, repeating the same hateful comments at every opportunity and in every thread. It strikes me that they have not been banned yet.
I had already decided not to go through the forum of Russian girls (although there are many that I like) just because the environment is horrible. It looks like Eteri fanfest.


Evgenia is intelligent and mature, you can see the interviews of other people in the world of skating, they all say the same thing: Medvedeva is a mature, honest intelligent person. Do you think she will go through life to tell gossip on TV? please, what baseness.In addition, Zhenya was on vacation when the 40-year-old lady appeared giving interviews and attacking the teenager in TV. Maybe Evgenia would bring her flowers when she landed, but after that scandal that the lady put together, who in her right mind would do it? literally tried to mess up Zhenya's public image in all Russia, and also in front of her teammates. Everything seems a strategy.


Adult people with common sense realize when someone's pattern of behavior is suspicious, and really everything that Eteri (the goddess of some here) has done with all the children who have left her discredit her as a person and as a coach. She has lied before and will do it again in the future.
Fortunately, the girls of the team are not idiots, so Eteri's little plan to make them enemies will not work. The girls have VK, instagram, chat, etc, for them it is as easy as sending messages internally and clarifying everything. Zhenya doesn't have to make a vulgar scandal on TV, when she can talk directly to those affected. Remember that Alina has always said that Evgenia is her role model, not Eteri, EVGENIA. So it's obvious who Alina believes and the other girls.

 

[Orlov]

OK.

1 a. Eteri sucks.
1 b. Eteri doesn't suck.

2 a. Med sucks.
2 b. Med doesn't suck.

You are now up to speed.

Eteri definitely doesn't suck.
Zhenya... probably she will be comfortable among Westerners.

 

[ejnsofi]

Is it right to understand that the words of ET are as false as Medvedeva 2Gold at EuroChamp, 2GPF & WC Gold + 2 silver at the OG 2018?

Yuna Kim called Brian Orser a liar in the face, still there was a question of $68 000 prize money. Then he remained silent. Now Jenny chose to keep silent. Just the facts - direct and merciless.

Deciding to continue her sports career with Orser, Medvedeva said - quotes, I chose a new home, where I will be among the people closest to me - quotes. In Moscow she left thousands of fans, beloved by her words dog and grandma. The one who was taking her to FS practice for 11 long years to fame and success.

What have Zhenya's accomplishments to Eteri's personality? :shocked: I really see no connection. Nikolai Morozov had successful students but it doesn't change the fact that he is terrible person.

And what has Yuna/Orser conflict to do with it?! Especially as right now they are in proper/good relation.

She said home isn't a place it's people she is close to and the closest person in her life is actually her mother who left to Toronto with her. And do you mean "fans" who started attacking her as soon as she decided to leave Eteri and go to Brian? :sarcasm: BTW being athlete is a job and if you want to stay you have to do everything you can to be better and better. If Evgenia decided she couldn't learn more from Eteri it was a sign it's a time for a change. Yuzuru's and Yuna's coaches encouraged them to move abroad because it's what good coach do - supports his/her pupil on his/her way even if they won't follow this way together.

Also about the change even before official statement knew: closest fans, news websites (which leaked the information), head of sambo club and RusFed. If Eteri wants me to believe she truly had no clue sorry but I won't fall for this

 

[moriel]

But why, though? Skaters are humans, too, why do you expect them to never do anything wrong? Alina‘s probably had her moments of weakness, too, where she wasn‘t the sweet and humble girl we know. It‘s only natural. Just like Polina and Liza and Maria and Daria and every skater we know. But the thing is, we don’t know of their private outbursts because no one told the public. Skaters are humans. Humans have emotions. Humans say things they later regret. It happens. If people are seriously expecting any of these girls to always stay classy, always be nice and friendly and smiling, well, I‘m sorry but you‘re going to be disappointed anyway because that’s not going to happen. They aren‘t dolls who are just there for your amusement to look at and always have to behave the way you want them to or feel is morally correct or „-setting a good example“. They‘re human beings and just like you and me, they have every damn right to make mistakes. And this isn‘t about Zhenya at all. It applies to people in the spotlight in general. Actors, writers, models, athletes. People seem to forget that just because you‘re famous you don‘t stop feeling the way normal people do. These huge expectations are getting ridiculous because they can‘t be fulfilled in any way.

She is human.
You see, we are not supposed to like all humans, or approve of what they do.

I dont like her, as she seems arrogant (some recent interviews, certain things before the split, like adding an extra jump in competition), entitled (recent interviews, "why Alina was not kept in juniors?"), shallow (her interviews about studies, for example, or how she mentioned Yuna's longevity as reason to move to Orser) and hypocrite (recent interviews vs old interviews) for me. I do not claim this is some final truth about Zhenya and her personality, but that is how I see her based on her public appearances.

You see, there is this thing - we are NOT SUPPOSED TO LIKE HER OR TO CHEER FOR HER. I don't care if it was a moment of weakness (usually, those moments actually show how the person really is on inside, it is easy to be nice when everything is going well), because there is no rule anywhere forcing me to forgive all Zhenya's moments of weakness for some reason.

I dont like Medvedeva and I dont cheer for her any more. Not because she left Eteri or moved to Canada, but because of how she left Eteri (I was raised to respect teachers), and because of what she said in her interviews after the split.

I also really don't understand why do you keep writing here how we are all supposed to forgive whatever weird stuff Zhenya has said / done, and how we are haters for not doing it.

This thread is not a fanfest.
People here are not supposed to like any specific skaters.
There is no rule against discussing things that a skater has said or done and expressing our oppinions about it.

 

[Tolstoj]

I don't understand why people have to pick sides.

Evgenia should be praised more for her courage to try something different, this is huge: a russian skater working abroad with a canadian coach, you don't really see it. On the other hand Eteri is right to be pissed by how things went, with two of her biggest skaters going to rival coaches.

We'll see how this translates on ice, at Skate Canada we have already Medvedeva, Tursynbaeva and Panenkova all there.

 

[moriel]

I don't understand why people have to pick sides.

Evgenia should be praised more for her courage to try something different, this is huge: a russian skater working abroad with a canadian coach, you don't really see it. On the other hand Eteri is right to be pissed by how things went, with two of her biggest skaters going to rival coaches.

We'll see how this translates on ice, Skate Canada we have already Medvedeva, Tursynbaeva and Panenkova all there.

I dont really pick sides, but i get annoyed when Medvedeva ubers come here and call me names because I dare to not cheer for Zhenya.

SC is a bit too early imho. I am personally waiting for Rusnats, and wonder if rusfed will dare to give gold to Trusova if she skates clean, and what PCs other skaters will get if TRusova does not skate clean but Rusfed decides not to give her the gold.

 

[tars]

tars, we have very different opinions but I do appreciate this diversity and respect your words. The only thing that I don't add up is the argument about being a good example for the younger generation. You said, you respect Ashley W...but hey, she was bashing Alina publicly during her Olympic FS on Twitter

Ashley has a big mouth ("sonograms"!), big ego (reaction to last nationals f.i.), but I doubt she'd ever secretly demanded Gracie, Karen, Mirai or Bradie out of competition for whatever reason.
Like her or not, girl's a fighter. :thumbsup:

 

[OswinOswald]

Ashley has a big mouth ("sonograms"!), big ego (reaction to last nationals f.i.), but I doubt she'd ever secretly demanded Gracie, Karen, Mirai or Bradie out of competition for whatever reason.
Like her or not, girl's a fighter. :thumbsup:

Actually, why didn't you keep Alina in Junior? isn't the same as please keep Alina in Junior (and as always, IF she said that )

 

[Lipea]

Ashley has a big mouth ("sonograms"!), big ego (reaction to last nationals f.i.), but I doubt she'd ever secretly demanded Gracie, Karen, Mirai or Bradie out of competition for whatever reason.

There is no proof Med did it either. Or did I miss a screen from of Eteri's texts saying that?