2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Dr-minus]

Look what he wrote about Zhenya at the beginning of the this year

I don't care what he wrote 6 months ago. His blog posts are borderline schizophrenic right now.

 

[frallik]

Oh, come on, don't be so mean. Just Denis is very sensitive and passion guy Look what he wrote about Zhenya at the beginning of the this year:
"Богиня с нами... Она человек. Именно за это мы и любим её" (Goddess is with us ... She is a human. That's why we love her) Read the text in the screenshot at the end of his post - what refined words he says about Zhenya's skating!

Now man's heart is broken and his sophisticated imagination goen to the dark side.

she appeared to be the goddess Kali... not my cup of tea

 

[Fluture]

People are differ... I‘m glad that I do know English, French, Italian, Urdu and Hindi. Even at Gwalior Olympic center Sikhs understand the difference between Zagitova and Medvedeva.

You forgot to highlight the „sometimes“ at the beginning of the sentence. Because, it really only is sometimes. Most of the time I‘m just annoyed because google translate isn‘t all that reliable in translating news about my favourite skaters. Like, not at all.

The last part I don‘t understand, though. What Olympic center are you talking about and what does it have to do with Zagitova and Medvedeva? :scratch:

 

[xeyra]

There is a function called Ignore. Use it. I did. Made my reading of this thread easier.

 

[Orlov]

I don't care what he wrote 6 months ago. His blog posts are borderline schizophrenic right now.

oh, sorry, I forgot to insert
https://giphy.com/gifs/the-big-bang-theory-sheldon-cooper-j3HQ1zWosr1NS/fullscreen

 

[zounger]

I don't like this phrasing. I can't remember that anyone said that Kaetlyn Osmond was beaten by Alena Leonova, Joshi Helgesson, and 8 more skaters at SC 2015. She had a day off then same as Alina at the last worlds. One could have speculated that Wakaba beat Alina if she showed something above 230. But with 210? Come on. We know that clean Alina's scores are above 235. Her meltdown in Milano has nothing to do with anyone "beat" her.

I just used the same word that sugar coated used. Since for him/her that was beating. My main comment was a couple of posts above when spirals said about tough GP for Evgenia. My point was the same. When you score 225-235 and your competitors score 210-215 how exactly is a tough GP assignmets?. But yes there is always a chance of bad day. The only tough assignment could have been Kaytlen with the world title and scating at home and being clean.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

I just used the same word that sugar coated used. Since for him/her that was beating. My main comment was a couple of posts above when spirals said about tough GP for Evgenia. My point was the same. When you score 225-235 and your competitors score 210-215 how exactly is a tough GP assignmets?. But yes there is always a chance of bad day. The only tough assignment could have been Kaytlen with the world title and scating at home and being clean.

To me, it's tough not for her but for the rest of the field. And we never know how well she may be doing with the rule changes and her foot and revamped technique. I hope and believe that she'll come out slaying, but things are different this year. It's okay for her to have a trial period before she adjusts back.

 

[Fluture]

I just used the same word that sugar coated used. Since for him/her that was beating. My main comment was a couple of posts above when spirals said about tough GP for Evgenia. My point was the same. When you score 225-235 and your competitors score 210-215 how exactly is a tough GP assignmets?. But yes there is always a chance of bad day. The only tough assignment could have been Kaytlen with the world title and scating at home and being clean.

I don‘t think the GP assignments will be as easy, though. Neither for Zagitova, nor Medvedeva. Med obviously has the coaching change she needs to adjust to and if she already starts reworking her jumps... well, she‘s mentally tough and that will help her but reworking jumps is not easy and we all saw what it did to Mao. So, yeah, I think she won‘t be as insanely consistent as we know her. She should still be able to win, or at least place on the podium. Zagitova, however, has the problem with consistency and mental toughness. Remember that her SP never really was that clean last season, up until Europeans and OG. DQ was rocksolid because she‘s had it for so long already. Now she has two new programs to adjust to. I can easily imagine that she‘ll face some problems earlier in the season until she gets used to them. So, I don‘t think victory in their GP is set in stone for them. It‘s likely but everything can happen. And Kaetlyn doesn‘t do GP series this year, so it will only be Daleman who‘s getting overscored in Canada at least.

 

[frallik]

can you all stop? please?

YES, we CAN http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1523031427/99a07030/21277740.jpg

 

[Orlov]

So yes, Alina will have no problems beating Wakaba, no matter what Wakaba does. .

Agreed

 

[Yatagarasu]

Agreed

Yes, don't worry. It's such a great thing! No matter how awful, the judges will give her scores! It's so awesome when you're proud of travesties like that. Great stuff for the sport.

 

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Zagitova, however, has the problem with consistency and mental toughness.

Can't disagree more - what she did with 3Lz-3Lo during individual FP in Korea for me is the embodiment of mental toughness. Her Milano meltdown is the consequence of her illness and overall exhaustion after a very long Olympic season when she won everything including OG and beat twice unbeatable Medvedeva. Her only other meltdown was at the dawn of her junior international career.

No, I believe in Alina and, well, I believe in Medvedeva. I hope that their rivalry in the coming season will eclipse Pluschenko vs. Yagudin.

 

[Orlov]

Yes, don't worry. It's such a great thing! No matter how awful, the judges will give her scores! It's so awesome when you're proud of travesties like that. Great stuff for the sport.

Why torture yourself? I suggest you become a fan of the sprint - everything is objective there.

 

[Yatagarasu]

Why torture yourself? I suggest you become a fan of the sprint - everything is objective there.

Yes, the ultimate answer of don't watch when you celebrate things that hurt the sport, and your own skaters in fact, out of some sort of nationalistic pride. Boggles the mind.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Wakaba did beat Alina.

Ah come on, you know competitions don't work that way! Russians can never actually be "beaten", they just might have off days that might result in other skaters being lucky

(And I know, depending on who you're talking to, it's not "Russians" but several other groups )

 

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Agreed

Yes, don't worry. It's such a great thing! No matter how awful, the judges will give her scores! It's so awesome when you're proud of travesties like that. Great stuff for the sport.

Well, it's just your opinion. My opinion is that with all the qualities that Wakaba has, Alina has come to be a better overall skater over the course of the last season. I gave earlier a repost of the comparison of her early and late DQ. I saw very clear progress. I saw progress in Wakaba as well - she had a terrific FP last season and at her best (not always) she connected to her music very well. And she was rewarded for that getting over 210-215 threshold which brings the skater into the world elite.

But buts are still there. And no matter how strong the mighy Wakaba support group supports her here I am with the judges who see her as 210-215 rather than 230-240 skater. And with such she can beat the latter only when they have a bad day.

I said that and I want to correct it. Not "can" but "could" and not "have" but "had". Let's see how the season starts especially with new rules. Maybe we shall see surprises both positive and negative.

 

[Orlov]

Can't disagree more - what she did with 3Lz-3Lo during individual FP in Korea for me is the embodiment of mental toughness. Her Milano meltdown is the consequence of her illness and overall exhaustion after a very long Olympic season when she won everything including OG and beat twice unbeatable Medvedeva. Her only other meltdown was at the dawn of her junior international career.

No, I believe in Alina and, well, I believe in Medvedeva. I hope that their rivalry in the coming season will eclipse Pluschenko vs. Yagudin.

I believe in Dasha. She have wonderful jumps. Set of negative factors were before: 1) she was a junior, 2) a bit unsuccessful program. Now, if the programs are excellent it will be different.

I am newbie and do not know how to express the idea well - she have wonderfeul legs. I don't mean in terms of attractiveness. I mean how she holds them, how she pulls (correct term?) her leg after landing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p74GU_fFV4o&feature=youtu.be&t=158
For me it's magnificant! Elegant, strong, ease. Something like Osmond (only more elegant, sorry fans).

Don't forget about Dasha! I believe she is a dark horse in this season. Go Dasha!

 

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Russians can never actually be "beaten", they just might have off days that might result in other skaters being lucky

Do we need to go into the discussion of whether generalizations like "all Russians think that they can never be beaten" bring any value to the thread or we could calmly agree that some people attach to the word "beat" just the results of protocols while others look broader?

My argument was based on 2 things. First, Alina's winning all previous competitions including those where Wakaba participated. Then Milano result was a clear outlier to which there are particular reasons: her illness and her overall exhaustion. Where did I say about luck? Second, when in the past certain top skaters had a meltdown I could not remember that people jumped to say that they were beaten especially by specific skaters to whom they previously did not lose. And SC 2015 is a right example.

 

[Yatagarasu]

I agree, though, that at Worlds, Alina was overscored.

I was talking about Worlds, specifically, not in general.

And it doesn't matter what artistry Alina has. Not the best? Doesn't matter. Her scores are so through the roof already, there is almost no room to grow. At 15, such as she was, she was apparently the perfect skater. Depressing as heck for someone like me.

For me, Russia has probably the greatest overall talent in female skating we've seen in quite a while in Kostornaya. The trouble is exactly in stuff like this. In the best case scenario, Kostornaya will draw equal to similar PCS as Alina, when right now, already, she's better. She is better than a great deal of current seniors, so I am not just talking about Alina either. But we need proper scores in order to reflect true quality which exists. It exists in Russia itself.
And 69.87 PCS for that performance at Worlds hurts skating. It hurts Russian skating too.

 

[LucyH]

I was talking about Worlds, specifically, not in general.

And it doesn't matter what artistry Alina has. Not the best? Doesn't matter. Her scores are so through the roof already, there is almost no room to grow. At 15, such as she was, she was apparently the perfect skater. Depressing as heck for someone like me.

For me, Russia has probably the greatest overall talent in female skating we've seen in quite a while in Kostornaya. The trouble is exactly in stuff like this. In the best case scenario, Kostornaya will draw equal to similar PCS as Alina, when right now, already, she's better. She is better than a great deal of current seniors, so I am not just talking about Alina either. But we need proper scores in order to reflect true quality which exists. It exists in Russia itself.
And 69.87 PCS for that performance at Worlds hurts skating. It hurts Russian skating too.

couldn't agree more about the scoring at 2018 World - it was abysmal. Over inflation was EVERYWHERE! And scoring like that only hurts the sport in the long run - people who are not ardent supporters of the skaters who are over-scored look at it and think to themselves "WTH is this?"