2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[serephy]

I wonder if she's disappointed for not making the JW team. I hope she realizes that consistency building is key and she was on the right track last year...

I think she’s a very smart girl and has worked out that she won’t get onto major teams as the Number 4 Eteri Girl. Junior Nationals must have been a very heavy blow because realistically had her score gone up to the same extent as any of the top 3 girls scores did then she would easily have made the Junior World Team. The main reason she wasn’t on that team was because 1. They favoured Stasya and 2. She wasn’t one of the top 2 Eteri girls. A reminder that Nastya’s score at Junior Nationals was the only score amongst all the Russian Ladies (Junior and Senior) to be lower than their International Best.

On the other hand with Plushenko she gets a coach with a big name and reputation and all the benefits of being that coaches top skater. It means she doesn’t need to fight Trusova/Shcherbakova/Kostornaya for a spot. Instead she will be fighting Vasilieva/Kanysheva/Tarusina. I just hope she has time to get settled and sort out new programs before Test Skates.

 

[atsumiri]

I wonder if she's disappointed for not making the JW team. I hope she realizes that consistency building is key and she was on the right track last year...

It could be a reason and she was disappointed.
I think... if it was the case she would leave before Novogorsk camp started. and before the official team list were published.
For me... she is too emotional. It looks good on ice. But it could be a problem in other cases.

 

[flanker]

I wonder what made Tarakanova leave Eteri as she was obviously getting good results with Eteri's coaching team. I also loved the music and choreos she got there; even tho some people did not like the choices, it worked and she was different from the other girls. Idk what she can achieve under Plushenko. What are his coaching achievements?

Well, that could be many reasons, from that her (or parents) expectations were higher to some personal matters, e. g. she maybe didn't have a good rapport with other girls. Everything is possible, those are only unsubstantiated speculations. Its just surprising that it happened now, after she started at Novogorst training camp already and than suddenly disappeared. I would expect that if it was planned it would happen earlier, during may.

 

[SkySkater]

I’m kinda glad that she’s left in a way. She’ll probably get jgp spots and with Plushy behind her she’ll get a lot more love from the fed hopefully so she has a chance of being able to make junior world teams especially if some of the quad/triple axels don’t end up panning our in competition. As well just me but she looks very skinny compared to last season when she was competing so I am slightly worried about her.

 

[atsumiri]

It means she doesn’t need to fight Trusova/Shcherbakova/Kostornaya for a spot. Instead she will be fighting Vasilieva/Kanysheva/Tarusina. I just hope she has time to get settled and sort out new programs before Test Skates.

but she does. there're only 3 spots for JWC.

 

[Shayuki]

On the other hand with Plushenko she gets a coach with a big name and reputation and all the benefits of being that coaches top skater. It means she doesn’t need to fight Trusova/Shcherbakova/Kostornaya for a spot. Instead she will be fighting Vasilieva/Kanysheva/Tarusina. I just hope she has time to get settled and sort out new programs before Test Skates.

Yeah, I don't think that there's any amount of overscoring and politics that could send one of those(or Tarakanova, especially if she's not completely clean) over those three of Eteri's, especially if they have the more difficult jumps.

 

[serephy]

I think... if it was the case she would leave before Novogorsk camp started. and before the official team list were published.
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I remember some old rumours from back in April/May that Nastya’s parents had made her quit skating because they were too worried for her health. Perhaps it wasn’t skating they wanted her to quit but instead Camp Eteri (Eteri might have been good for Nastya’s skating but I’m not sure it was good for her health given there is some evidence to indicate that Nastya is already a bit fragile)

If that’s the case then maybe the Novogorsk Camp was a last ditch attempt to fix things with Camp Eteri/give it another go and when it didn’t work out her parents did finally pull her out.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

I think she’s a very smart girl and has worked out that she won’t get onto major teams as the Number 4 Eteri Girl. Junior Nationals must have been a very heavy blow because realistically had her score gone up to the same extent as any of the top 3 girls scores did then she would easily have made the Junior World Team. The main reason she wasn’t on that team was because 1. They favoured Stasya and 2. She wasn’t one of the top 2 Eteri girls. A reminder that Nastya’s score at Junior Nationals was the only score amongst all the Russian Ladies (Junior and Senior) to be lower than their International Best.

On the other hand with Plushenko she gets a coach with a big name and reputation and all the benefits of being that coaches top skater. It means she doesn’t need to fight Trusova/Shcherbakova/Kostornaya for a spot. Instead she will be fighting Vasilieva/Kanysheva/Tarusina. I just hope she has time to get settled and sort out new programs before Test Skates.

I think you're right about being Eteri number 4, but this just means she'll have to fight even harder to beat Kostornaya/Shcherbakova/Trusova for a JWC spot.

 

[atsumiri]

e. g. she maybe didn't have a good rapport with other girls. Everything is possible,

if you think about it... it might be one of the reasons. at least, I wouldn't be surprised.
she was kind of distant from others ... to others girls were.

 

[serephy]

Yeah, I don't think that there's any amount of overscoring and politics that could send one of those(or Tarakanova, especially if she's not completely clean) over those three of Eteri's, especially if they have the more difficult jumps.

If they have more difficult jumps (ie quads/triple axel) then no probably not. But if they are inconsistent/only have tripled then I would just remind everyone that the Russian Fed managed to send Konstantinova to Junior Worlds over Gubanova/Panenkova/Tarakanova. I wouldn’t bet against them.
Also I’m not just talking about Junior Worlds, her lowballing at Nationals literally cost her money as it bumped her down a funding bracket....it’s difficult to have a career as a skater if you can’t get funding.

 

[atsumiri]

serephy Well, you do have a point.

 

[flanker]

if you think about it... it might be one of the reasons. at least, I wouldn't be surprised.
she was kind of distant from others ... to others girls were.

Well, I don't say that it is that case, it's really only a speculation, but it would be more understandable for me if she chagged team for some similar reason than that she would be expecting better chances against Anna, Sasha and Alyona. Because, what was said about Pluschenko's name, I don't think it helped any other girl from his team.

 

[serephy]

I think you're right about being Eteri number 4, but this just means she'll have to fight even harder to beat Kostornaya/Shcherbakova/Trusova for a JWC spot.

I agree but ultimately this isn’t necessarily about JWC spots right now. It’s about being with a coach that will have her as a priority (I’m pretty sure she will be Plushenko’s most senior skater) and that will be politicking on her behalf because honestly the way the Fed treated Nastya at Junior Nats was unfair.
Of course Nastya will have to fight very hard to get a JWC spot but at least now she will hopefully be in a position to get JGP spots, do well at Nationals and get better funding next year.

Also I think it might be good for Nastya to get away from all the pressure of Camp Eteri for a bit. She’s obviously very tough (I wince whenever I remember her hitting her head in Zagreb) but I think that given her health issues she might need a different coaching approach to the one Eteri provides (Eteri doesn’t be have the best track record with injured/fragile skaters)


[[Edited to quote the post I was responding too]]

 

[serephy]

serephy Well, you do have a point.

I think this is realistically the most likely reason (health and parents forcing the issue) but I also think that the situation at Junior Nats will have made her realise that there are pluses and negatives to staying with Eteri and of health/parents then became a problem it would be reasonable enough for her to move.

 

[Shayuki]

Alright, the point about junior nationals and fundings is a pretty good one. But remember that if she, for instance, has pops and falls, I doubt she would score much higher anyway. Well, maybe then it's easier for her to accept it psychologically. It must not feel great to feel like you've had a great skate and then receive very low scores.

Still, if I think about Plushenko's junior skaters like Chapligina who's an absolute disaster skater and never skates even close to clean and compare to Davydov's(CSKA) or Panova's juniors, they have far less issues. So I still don't understand why Plushenko specifically... If we're talking about standing within Russia, Plushenko's skaters haven't exactly received groundbreaking scoring.

 

[serephy]

Because, what was said about Pluschenko's name, I don't think it helped any other girl from his team.

I might be completely incorrect but I vaguely remember it getting Valeria Mikhailova the Rostlecom host pick last year (I'm pretty sure she was under Plushenko at that point).

 

[Shayuki]

I might be completely incorrect but I vaguely remember it getting Valeria Mikhailova the Rostlecom host pick last year (I'm pretty sure she was under Plushenko at that point).

At what point? She at least was at the event with Davydov and Goncharenko.

 

[serephy]

Alright, the point about junior nationals and fundings is a pretty good one. But remember that if she, for instance, has pops and falls, I doubt she would score much higher anyway. Well, maybe then it's easier for her to accept it psychologically. It must not feel great to feel like you've had a great skate and then receive very low scores.

Still, if I think about Plushenko's junior skaters like Chapligina who's an absolute disaster skater and never skates even close to clean and compare to Davydov's(CSKA) or Panova's juniors, they have far less issues. So I still don't understand why Plushenko specifically... If we're talking about standing within Russia, Plushenko's skaters haven't exactly received groundbreaking scoring.

Maybe because they are both from Volgograd or perhaps he is the only coach that could take her at this point in the year...Panova is probably working to try and get Kanysheva/Sisnitsyna/Kostyuk ready for JGP's and CSKA is pretty full on the senior level if Nastya is planning to skate senior next year (plus it could be seen as a very direct dig at Eteri...in the past Nastya has always been very polite/respectful of her previous coaches)??? Honestly I don't know though....

 

[atsumiri]

Also I think it might be good for Nastya to get away from all the pressure of Camp Eteri for a bit. She’s obviously very tough (I wince whenever I remember her hitting her head in Zagreb) but I think that given her health issues she might need a different coaching approach to the one Eteri provides (Eteri doesn’t be have the best track record with injured/fragile skaters)

I can't agree here. Anna S. was recovering half of the last season in her own temp. Erohov had a lot of health issues in the past (even some heart problems). and he was recovering as long as he was needed.
so I don't believe it is the case. I even can believe it could be vise versa.
She is ambitious girl. She may have wanted to learn more than her coaches thought she was ready for.

 

[serephy]

At what point? She at least was at the event with Davydov and Goncharenko.

I thought I might be wrong but I definitely remember her being with Plushenko at some point last year....there were videos on his instagram and (I just checked now) he is listed as a former Coach of hers.