2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[*~RussianBleux~*]

She most likely has to face Shcherbakova, Trusova, or Kostornaya if she has one event (unless they go against each other) and MUST face one if she has two (same caveat). Can she really beat them? I don't think so, especially not with losing out on training time due to boot problems. She has a better chance to establish herself as a senior through the Rostelecom spot rather than losing to Eteri's girls two seasons in a row. That won't set her up well for the next season when they all move up, and of course, the JGP will be no easier that year with three new Eteri girls coming up.

This is the Fed's decision, not Gubanova's. Maybe she wants the host spot but they won't make a move. So tired of seeing the skaters personally blamed for the Fed's decisions, whether it be assignments, scores, etc.

 

[Shayuki]

Let's try to move on from endless, repetitive Gubanova discourse: do you actually think all three Eteri superjuniors will move up to seniors next year? Even assuming the best case scenario where they go 1-2-3 at JGPF and JW are there enough spots/politicking for all three of them to get a senior debut with two GP assignments? Especially if they want all three of them to establish themselves as strongly as Zagi did in her first senior season. Imagine the dilemma for Rostelecom Cup that year! I wonder if, for example, they wouldn't keep Korstornaya in junior for just one more year (heh) in order to space things out a little bit.

It's about SBs, right? Anna Shcherbakova should already be in the clear because 205 points is a huge score. Do you see Kostornaya or Trusova scoring less than that? Both already scored higher last season, especially to Trusova that should be nothing. Kostornaya's the only question mark, but she'd have to literally have no clean skates to not hit a high enough score.

Hence, all three should be guaranteed at least one sGP event. Which means that all three should move up to seniors next season. Shcherbakova was the biggest "question mark" but already was answered.

Note, this is assuming that 205 points is enough for Shcherbakova to get to top 20. Last season - during an inflated Olympic season - 205 points would have been #14. To me, the limited backloading and lowered base values as well as heavier penalized falls should lower the general scoring, so she should place higher than #14 this season.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Shcherbakova should be top 24 SB already with that huge score from Bratislava (well-deserved imo) and Trusova and Kostornaya should be up there as well. .

It’s not like they are in danger of or not being capable of replicating those scores in the following season. SB’s matter but are hardly the most important thing when the federation considers its own goals and strategy. Of course anything is possible (maybe the flood gates will open at the senior level)but keep in mind that the federation likes to keep an eye on JGP and win those events too. It would make strategic sense to keep at least one junior who can maintain those high scores down there, I guess we’ll have to look at what scores the other Juniors are getting. Anna T didn’t exactly light it up. That stuff will determine things too. Things out of Eteri and her skaters hands even. It’s very complicated but sometimes necessary I guess even if not desirable.

Honestly I’d be surprised if all three go but just sad because I watch JGP way more these days. Way better media coverage.

 

[atsumiri]

Yes, I think they will. Unless a bunch of skaters magically improve by a lot, Shcherbakova should be top 24 SB already with that huge score from Bratislava (well-deserved imo) and Trusova and Kostornaya should be up there as well. I think there will be room for them -- I don't think Radionova and Konstantinova will make the top 24, not with the new rule changes, and Samodurova might unfortunately get held down at Skate America to make room for Tennell. We also don't know how Sotskova is doing and whether she's fixed those URs that always bug her if called.

totally agree. It could be one of the reason they played it safe with Anna. To get a good scores that should be enough to be at top 24 SB.

17/18 season:
1 239.57 Alina ZAGITOVA RUS XXIII Olympic Winter Games 2018 23.02.2018
2 238.26 Evgenia MEDVEDEVA RUS XXIII Olympic Winter Games 2018 23.02.2018
3 231.02 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN XXIII Olympic Winter Games 2018 23.02.2018
4 225.52 Alexandra TRUSOVA RUS ISU World Junior Championships 2018 10.03.2018
5 222.38 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN XXIII Olympic Winter Games 2018 23.02.2018
6 217.63 Wakaba HIGUCHI JPN ISU CS Lombardia Trophy 2017 15.09.2017
7 216.28 Maria SOTSKOVA RUS ISU Grand Prix Final 2017/18 09.12.2017
8 215.98 Carolina KOSTNER ITA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2017 21.10.2017
9 214.21 Kaori SAKAMOTO JPN ISU Four Continents Championships 2018 26.01.2018
10 210.57 Mai MIHARA JPN ISU Four Continents Championships 2018 26.01.2018
11 210.19 Polina TSURSKAYA RUS ISU GP NHK Trophy 2017 12.11.2017
12 207.39 Alena KOSTORNAIA RUS ISU World Junior Championships 2018 10.03.2018
13 206.82 Elena RADIONOVA RUS ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017 05.11.2017
14 204.10 Bradie TENNELL USA ISU GP Skate America 2017 26.11.2017
15 200.98 Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA KAZ ISU GP Internationaux de France 2017 19.11.2017
16 199.68 Stanislava KONSTANTINOVA RUS ISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 2017 08.12.2017
17 199.64 Anastasia TARAKANOVA RUS ISU Junior Grand Prix Final 2017/18 09.12.2017
18 199.26 Dabin CHOI KOR XXIII Olympic Winter Games 2018 23.02.2018
19 198.42 Marin HONDA JPN ISU CS US Internat. FS Classic 2017 16.09.2017
20 196.83 Gabrielle DALEMAN CAN ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017 05.11.2017
21 196.68 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS ISU GP Audi Cup of China 2017 05.11.2017
22 196.55 Daria PANENKOVA RUS ISU JGP Baltic Cup 2017 06.10.2017
23 195.56 Yura MATSUDA JPN ISU CS Lombardia Trophy 2017 15.09.2017
24 195.17 Mako YAMASHITA JPN ISU World Junior Championships 2018 10.03.2018

 

[Imagine]

I don't think Radionova and Konstantinova will make the top 24, not with the new rule changes, and Samodurova might unfortunately get held down at Skate America to make room for Tennell. We also don't know how Sotskova is doing and whether she's fixed those URs that always bug her if called.

At first, I thought you said Kostornaia, but now I’m like...um, who?

 

[atsumiri]

It’s not like they are in danger of or not being capable of replicating those scores in the following season. Of course anything is possible (maybe the flood gates will open at the senior level)but keep in mind that the federation likes to keep an eye on JGP and win those events too.

low SB scores are the reason why Konstantinova and then Gubanova were not able to receive a Seniors GP spots.
If you messed up your first JGP stage you may not have any chance to get better SB during the whole season.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

low SB scores are the reason why Konstantinova and then Gubanova were not able to receive a Seniors GP spots.
If you messed up your first JGP stage you may not have any chance to get better SB during the whole season.

True but I guarantee the Federation wants to keep at least one skater who is eligible and capable of scoring into the 200’s on the JGP. That’s why I said it may have a lot to do with those second place finishers and what scoring potential they possess going forward.

Winning on the JGP helps the federation and adds influence on the GP. If all three Eteri girls go...who replaces them? Will they continue to dominate?

 

[zounger]

I think it depends also on how the current top senior ladies will do. If they cannot stay at the top then more room will be available. Another factor is if all of them will stay with Eteri for next season as well.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Another factor is if all of them will stay with Eteri for next season as well.

 

[Shayuki]

I think it depends also on how the current top senior ladies will do. If they cannot stay at the top then more room will be available. Another factor is if all of them will stay with Eteri for next season as well.

If they have the SBs required, why would they not be doing senior GPs even if they change coaches? :think:

 

[Spirals for Miles]

It’s not like they are in danger of or not being capable of replicating those scores in the following season. SB’s matter but are hardly the most important thing when the federation considers its own goals and strategy. Of course anything is possible (maybe the flood gates will open at the senior level)but keep in mind that the federation likes to keep an eye on JGP and win those events too. It would make strategic sense to keep at least one junior who can maintain those high scores down there, I guess we’ll have to look at what scores the other Juniors are getting. Anna T didn’t exactly light it up. That stuff will determine things too. Things out of Eteri and her skaters hands even. It’s very complicated but sometimes necessary I guess even if not desirable.

Honestly I’d be surprised if all three go but just sad because I watch JGP way more these days. Way better media coverage.

I don’t think that the 2006 trio is nearly as good as the 2004 one but they should be good enough to medal at JGPs and even win since they’ll improve with Eteri. There’s also Anastasia Kostyuk who hasn’t skated on the JGP, and Yasmina Kadyrova who also seems to be improving with Eteri. And if Anfisa Ryabova can become more consistent, she could become a contender.

 

[invisiblespiral]

What happens if more than 9 Russian skaters end up in the top 24 SB list? Do some of them just not get slots? :scratch:

 

[atsumiri]

True but I guarantee the Federation wants to keep at least one skater who is eligible and capable of scoring into the 200’s on the JGP. That’s why I said it may have a lot to do with those second place finishers and what scoring potential they possess going forward.

I really doubt they will keep a skater who is able to perform 3a/quads in juniors.
They really won't. seriously. They're not THAT stupid.
There're lots of girls who will be able to compete in juniors.
And i'm almost sure some seniors girls will retire.

 

[Shayuki]

True but I guarantee the Federation wants to keep at least one skater who is eligible and capable of scoring into the 200’s on the JGP. That’s why I said it may have a lot to do with those second place finishers and what scoring potential they possess going forward.

That's what Kamila Valieva, Anastasia Shabotova, Daria Usacheva and co. are for... It's not like Russia will run out of decent juniors anytime soon.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Top 24 technically only guarantees one spot, it’s just that everyone gets two. But... if that can’t happen and only with the Russians, that would be incredibly unfair.

 

[atsumiri]

What happens if more than 9 Russian skaters end up in the top 24 SB list? Do some of them just not get slots? :scratch:

yes. Just the best of the best will get)
The Hunger Games

 

[ancientpeas]

Using the given name + patronymic, such as Eteri Georgievna, is a respectful way to talk to someone older, or to a teacher / coach / professor / boss or to
a person you respect. For example, kids in school call their teachers by their given name and patronymic. This is basically a must when talking to the person, unless the person tells you otherwise. For example, while some students indeed call Daniil Danya, it would be disrespectful for a new student to call him that, so a new student would call him Daniil Makarovich regardless of the age difference and whatever, and then it is up to Daniil to let the student know he is fine with being Danya.

On the other hand, using this combo is not a must when talking about the person - for instance, it is not an issue if a student uses Eteri Tutberidze in an interview.

Also, considering that skating is international, i can see skaters using name + last name in interviews because russians are pretty much aware all this patronymic stuff is confusing to foreigners.

PS: since someone mentioned russian diminutives. There is this thing, they are not a shorter form of the name, but an "intimate" form of the name. Take John and Johnny in english.

topic: But I have always wondered this: What happens if you don't know who your father is or if he's chosen not to be part of your life? Can you use your Grandfather's or a step parents? Is there a generic replacement? Most English surnames have their roots in jobs (Miller, Baker, Smith, Tanner, Wright) or Place names. For example my last name comes from an English dukedom (which is now extinct and a place). So could you be say Alexei Rostovitch (like being from Rostov?) I don't know if that makes any sense at all.

 

[zounger]

If they have the SBs required, why would they not be doing senior GPs even if they change coaches? :think:

My point was the opposite actually, that if the change coaches the probability to move to seniors will be higher than if they stay with Eteri.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

But... let’s say that the worst of 9 Russian ladies is 20th. And that the worst of, let’s say, 3 Korean ladies, is 24th. Then all three Korean ladies would get two GP spots, but the Russian lady above her on the list would only get 1. That doesn’t seem right to me.

 

[Shayuki]

My point was the opposite actually, that if the change coaches the probability to move to seniors will be higher than if they stay with Eteri.

Now that I don't understand. Which Eteri girls have stayed in juniors when they were able to skate at sGP?