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The only thing I'm sad about is the problems with the 3Lo. It was my second favourite element that she does. Could it be that they're focusing more on the other jumps (lutz)?
Otherwise, I think she did well given the circumstances. But oh boy that score shooketh me off of the chair :D I guess I'm not used to new scores :D

Edit: Because of all this drama I actually dreamt about Alina and Evgenia laughing and having fun together and then going to the Edge to be like "See?!! See??! I told you they like each other!!1!11" [emoji23]
 
She is incredibly strong, with plenty of people who support her near and far, and I know she will persevere no matter what. But I'm sure it's hard to escape all the chatter from the media and the peanut gallery on social media. I hope she can just focus on training and shut out all that noise. I really don't understand why everything she does is judged 10x more harshly than if it were any other skater. It's so weird to me. You know, she's not perfect, and neither is anyone else. But so what?

Zhenya has another month of training before her next competition. That gives Brian, Tracy & David more time to work with her & fine tune the programs.

Also, Zhenya competed with two pretty serious injuries. She’s still rebuilding herself physically. She and her mom uprooted themselves and moved to another country. She’s dealing with a language barrier and cultural differences. Add on top of that, she’s adapting to a new training method & skating technique. I’m actually surprised that she was able to compete so well.

Let’s think positive & have faith that Zhenya, Brian and Tracy have a strategy for the next 4 years & they’ve just started executing it.
 
She'll bounce back. I think a win would have helped quiet some voices, so it's not the ideal start, but she is experiencing growing pains and going through an adaptation period and these things take time. The 2A mistake I kind of expected but the 3Lo was a surprise. I just never expected to be nervous for Zhenya, considering I thought her the soul of consistency, but nowadays even she makes me bite my fingers in nervousness because I don't know what to expect.

I do prefer her SP to her FS at this point. I think she needs to develop more of the tango in the FS, and that will hopefully come with time, with more confidence in the program and some choreo tweaking with David as needed.
 
I know people are so accustomed to Evgenia winning but it’s so funny to me how people are worried after one senior B in the beginning of the season. Especially the dramatic comment of the “silver medal curse” as if it’s as bad as a pewter medal (for those who don’t know, the pewter medal is the fourth place medal at the USFS championships that people often mock as being the participation medal). People are of course free to express their concern, it’s natural to be worried and sports fans love to be dramatic (I am no saint tbh) but I just want to point out that sports are about both consistency and peaking. Evgenia moved to Brian to elongate her career; they’re playing the long game and we have to be patient. This is my third quad as a figure skating fan and it’s no coincidence that I have so many white hairs now!

Okay so here are my overall thoughts about ACI:
- love the fringe on the SP outfit but I liked the ideas of others on the forum in terms of color and style. The FS outfit is fire 🔥🔥🔥
- she is experimenting with her style so I can understand that her confidence level is not up yet
- on that note I think her mental and physical stamina has not bounced back yet but that takes time (Anna P recently gave a great interview to GS about coming back from an injury and how she had to secretly skate at her husband’s rink beforehand because she didn’t want to shock her coach)
- loveeee her FS edit actually, it’s seductive and builds up to the Libertango at the end perfectly.
- I have never loved excessive tanos but they look straighter/less frantic (or is it my TCC glasses on lol)
- axel looks much improved despite the turnout in the FS
- someone ID Tracy’s coat because I need it

Sorry for the long rambly comment I love you all for making this a safe space for Zhenya fans❤️
 
New life, new team, new style. I say let Zhenya do several more competitions, then there will be time to say about her development and all the changes, how the program suits her and all. One note: much better dress than in the short :agree:
 
Woke up, saw the results, got a bit upset, calmed down, thought I was being ridiculuos, watched the program :laugh:

Well, it's clear she wasn't at her best at all, I liked the program a lot better in the training video from the day before. Here, there wasn't much of a tango mood present and she even got out of sync with the music for a bit. BUT I'm still very impressed how fast she got her jumps back, after a rather long pause in her training and with all the new changes. Despite that one fall in the end, her jumps looked solid overall and that's good news. More good news is that, like I said, I saw that she already could deliver on the tango mood in training, so she's going to do it in competition as well. It's a work in progress, everything's new, she's doing fine.

And there's really no shame in losing to Bradie, who's on an upswing (and I'm currently almost sure is going to stand on the Worlds podium this season). It's an experience and I hope Zhenya won't be too hard on herself about it. There's always a steep learning curve when you change your training environment so drastically.
 
I must say as much as I love Wilson, Evgenia should chose a different choreographer for next season. IMO his choreograph does not fit Zhenya's style. I think Zhenya fits the classic, slow music and story telling pieces more. But we will see how she develops with the choreography. It is just the first competition.
 
I was a bit sad of course when I woke up and saw that she was second but I quickly bounced back to think... wait, she‘s second. She only lost to Bradie who really, really slayed in this competition. As if it‘s so terrible to lose to her! As if it‘s so terrible to lose once! As if it‘s so terrible not to be perfect after such a major change. I‘m sure our Zhenya will be fine. She has a team that supports her and fans and family and she still has a silver medal and delivered a relatively good skate, even if some uncharacteristic mistakes were indeed there. She has a lot to work on and improve and I‘m sure her, Brian and Tracy know this exactly. I trust them. I trust Zhenya. Whatever she‘s going to do, it‘ll end up well. Because she has the grit and determination to pull through and achieve her goal. It‘s not going to be as easy being a Zhenya fan as in previous seasons when it was basically cheering her on for her win even before the competition but really... she spoiled us anyway. Now we can show some effort and that we really support her through thick and thin. We survived the Olympic season with her, we‘ll survive whatever lies ahead of us, too. ;)

And please notice that I‘m not being dramatic or anything here. I still think her programs have potential and she‘ll be a lot better later in the season. I have faith in her, of course I have. And this is just a challenger anyway.
 
I really wanna see what Shae could come up with for her. Maybe next season.
 
I am not disappointed at all because from the very beginning I was realistic and knew that the coach change would lead to a rough season. But she has already had similar problems -in her junior years, even at her senior tribute - she skated her first clean FS at the GPF. Even though her last seasons were awesome, she still knows struggle and I hope she finds some strength this time too and overcomes those issues. :pray:

She and Brian are taking the long road in order to improve her technique and only time will show if this was the right strategical choice. Some people are, in my opinion, maybe right by saying that this approach won't work in her case because Russian ladies are far too good..and too much, so Evgenia has to work only on her Lutz and 2A, and the rest has to stay the same at her current level. But this is at the same time not possible because for better jumps she needs better speed and this requires working on basics like the SS.

From my observations of Pluschenko's academy, I have noticed that he has a similar approach with Tarakanova, for example. Although he's not an experienced coach, I believe he knows what it takes to teach good technique and I guess it shows that Brian is not totally out of his mind by doing the same with Evgenia.

What I am trying to say is..I guess.. that it couldn't have been better if she had stayed in Russia. I haven't been a fan of Borser but I don't think this was a wrong choice. She was struggling last season too, even before the injury but no one was blaming her coach. Such things happen - injuries come, the body grows, everything is constantly changing. Osmond had problems with her FS for 2 seasons but still made it to the Olympic podium and people were happy for her. So, why can't people be happy about Evgenia, too.. that she is not giving up and is still fighting, even though all the odds are against her? Regardless the results, I will always support this strong girl.

About AC - I think she could sell the tango only when she's secure on the technique because only then she would be able to relax a little bit and pay attention to the character of that particular piece. She was skating through the music in her SP, as well - understandably due to her nerves, so I don't really thing that the tango specifically doesn't suit her. She hasn't had the chance yet to fully dedicate herself to the music. It's interesting also that her worst jumps, the ones they are mostly working on (Lz and A) have the best exits so far. Yes, she messed up 2 from 3 Axels but when she nails them, they look very good. I even think that her 2A will become my favourite jumps of her. And this gives me hope that with time we'll see more visible improvements. The only strange thing is her Loop - even at the test skates she had some problems and now the fall. I don't know if they are working on it or if they don't. Because I don't see any changes in her technique there - so my speculation is that they have left it for later, since it was her best jump. But as we see, no work on it leads to problems too.
 
She's second after injuries, a painful break with Eteri (it had to hurt leaving and what she tried to do to Zhenya), moving to a new country, new coaches, new regime, 4 months off-ice and a new scoring system.
I'd call that a win situation.. people, calm down XD
 
Needless to say, I fell asleep yesterday. I have just caught up on everything, so here are my opinions.

The positives:

-3lz got positive GOE, the 2 combos as last jumping passes were both successful
-Zhenya didn't look as nervous as she did in the SP, I think she'll regain her confidence quickly
-the music is really beautiful, when the whole program comes together it will be really impactful
-there is SO MUCH room to grow. This is obviously a first attempt and so many things can be improved dramatically: levels of stsq and spins, adding transitions... this is a good starting point
-204 with one fall, 2 stepouts, a botched spins and some overall tentative skating is great news, it means that she can get very high scores once she goes clean and gains sharpness and confidence
-the best thing was her reaction! She was so happy to be skating again and she seems sure that things will get better once she adjusts more and has more time to work... she's only had 2\3 months to prepare after a potentially career-ending injury (Meagan Duhamel said she could barely do simply skating at shows this summer). Go Zhenya!

The negatives:

-I don't feel like the PCS were fair, it seems like pretty much everyone (Yuzu....) got lowballed here. I will wait for SCI to see what they look like - I think a 71\72 would have been much fairer
-Both her programs, but in particular the FS need more transitions. I understand that they're taking it easy so that she can recover, but the first half of the FS is too empty
-She needs to work on her stamina, it was obvious that by the time the 3lo came she didn't have enough energy for it and the following spin
-For the tango, she needs to learn how to express herself in such a different style and embrace the character more

Overall, it's a good start. There's a lot to work on and a lot that can be improved, but that's what she's set on doing. I'm sure at SCI we'll see a big step forward already!
 
Needless to say, I fell asleep yesterday. I have just caught up on everything, so here are my opinions.

The positives:

-3lz got positive GOE, the 2 combos as last jumping passes were both successful
-Zhenya didn't look as nervous as she did in the SP, I think she'll regain her confidence quickly
-the music is really beautiful, when the whole program comes together it will be really impactful
-there is SO MUCH room to grow. This is obviously a first attempt and so many things can be improved dramatically: levels of stsq and spins, adding transitions... this is a good starting point
-204 with one fall, 2 stepouts, a botched spins and some overall tentative skating is great news, it means that she can get very high scores once she goes clean and gains sharpness and confidence
-the best thing was her reaction! She was so happy to be skating again and she seems sure that things will get better once she adjusts more and has more time to work... she's only had 2\3 months to prepare after a potentially career-ending injury (Meagan Duhamel said she could barely do simply skating at shows this summer). Go Zhenya!

The negatives:

-I don't feel like the PCS were fair, it seems like pretty much everyone (Yuzu....) got lowballed here. I will wait for SCI to see what they look like - I think a 71\72 would have been much fairer
-Both her programs, but in particular the FS need more transitions. I understand that they're taking it easy so that she can recover, but the first half of the FS is too empty
-She needs to work on her stamina, it was obvious that by the time the 3lo came she didn't have enough energy for it and the following spin
-For the tango, she needs to learn how to express herself in such a different style and embrace the character more

Overall, it's a good start. There's a lot to work on and a lot that can be improved, but that's what she's set on doing. I'm sure at SCI we'll see a big step forward already!

Omg, thank you! I have seldomly seen such a detailed, accurate observation. I fully agree on everything. 🙏🏻
 
Overall, Zhenya seems much happier to be here than probably her previous situation which makes me very happy.
Not every single competition must be won along the way of course, and I fully support her journey growing and improving as a skater.

Though, I will have to say that I enjoyed the "old Zhenya"'s Eteri programs much more than this season's. I felt like they were truly more unique to her as a skater (say what you will about miming and all that haha) but her programs just seem so generic in the field of seniors, in my opinion. I wish she had gone to Shae-Lynn or some other choreographer on the Borser team honestly, I mean Wilson has been great in previous years but trying to choreograph Yuna-style on Zhenya isn't working for me.
 
Not a huge fan of both programs, but I don't see anything worrying about her silver medal: let's not forget that Bradie was clean in both programs when Zhenya had 2 missteps on 2A, 2 flutz, one fall on an underrotated 3Lo, a problem with a spin...

She would have won easily if she'd been clean, and it definitely is not a problem not to be clean at this point of the season. With some changes to come on her FS, she's certainly not out of the competition for this season :devil:
 
The only thing I'm sad about is the problems with the 3Lo. It was my second favourite element that she does. Could it be that they're focusing more on the other jumps (lutz)?
Otherwise, I think she did well given the circumstances. But oh boy that score shooketh me off of the chair :D I guess I'm not used to new scores :D

Edit: Because of all this drama I actually dreamt about Alina and Evgenia laughing and having fun together and then going to the Edge to be like "See?!! See??! I told you they like each other!!1!11" [emoji23]

She done 3Lo without problem at practices so I guess she was tired at the second half of the program
She looks healthier but I am not sure that her stamina is as good as before yet
Her spins are not good both at test skates and ACI - maybe they don't work on spins much and wait to fix her back/ spine
I want her to have a long sport life , I am ok with progress that taking time
The above was my brain is making sense
My heart wants her to win every competition she enters, crashes every record - which is none at the moment thanks to isu-
 
I don't want to comment performance because I believe everything was said already (I may only add that she performed better than I had expected before the competition).

I wouldn't panic about pcs. ACI was always this kind of competition where skaters are judged really harsh unless they are Kaetlyn Osmond. If she was at Lombardia I doubt she would receive any edge call and her composition scores would be solid 9s
 
She's second after injuries, a painful break with Eteri (it had to hurt leaving and what she tried to do to Zhenya), moving to a new country, new coaches, new regime, 4 months off-ice and a new scoring system.
I'd call that a win situation.. people, calm down XD

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