2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[moriel]

Some dummy statistics. The medal each OGM won on the first international competition of the season right after the Olympics
2018 Zagitova - gold at Nebelhorn
2014 Sotnikova - skipped the season
2010 Yuna Kim - silver at worlds next year
2006 Shizuka Arakawa - ended the competitive career
2002 Sarah Hughes - 6th at worlds next year
1998 Tara Lipinski - ended the competitive career
1994 Oksana Baiul - ended the competitive career
1992 Kristi Yamaguchi - ended the competitive career (won gold on the professional cirquit though)
1988 Katarina Witt - skipped next season
1984 Katarina Witt - won gold at euros next year

 

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Some dummy statistics. The medal each OGM won on the first international competition of the season right after the Olympics
2018 Zagitova - gold at Nebelhorn
2014 Sotnikova - skipped the season
2010 Yuna Kim - silver at worlds next year
2006 Shizuka Arakawa - ended the competitive career
2002 Sarah Hughes - 6th at worlds next year
1998 Tara Lipinski - ended the competitive career
1994 Oksana Baiul - ended the competitive career
1992 Kristi Yamaguchi - ended the competitive career (won gold on the professional cirquit though)
1988 Katarina Witt - skipped next season
1984 Katarina Witt - won gold at euros next year

Thanks! And to Alina for this.

 

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Do you feel it?

 

[Finley]

Some dummy statistics. The medal each OGM won on the first international competition of the season right after the Olympics
2018 Zagitova - gold at Nebelhorn
2014 Sotnikova - skipped the season
2010 Yuna Kim - silver at worlds next year
2006 Shizuka Arakawa - ended the competitive career
2002 Sarah Hughes - 6th at worlds next year
1998 Tara Lipinski - ended the competitive career
1994 Oksana Baiul - ended the competitive career
1992 Kristi Yamaguchi - ended the competitive career (won gold on the professional cirquit though)
1988 Katarina Witt - skipped next season
1984 Katarina Witt - won gold at euros next year

Wow. Alina just did something no other female skater has been able to do or was willing to do since the great Katarina Witt in 1984. And she did it with Carmen. Let that sink in for a minute.

 

[Scott512]

Some dummy statistics. The medal each OGM won on the first international competition of the season right after the Olympics
2018 Zagitova - gold at Nebelhorn
2014 Sotnikova - skipped the season
2010 Yuna Kim - silver at worlds next year
2006 Shizuka Arakawa - ended the competitive career
2002 Sarah Hughes - 6th at worlds next year
1998 Tara Lipinski - ended the competitive career
1994 Oksana Baiul - ended the competitive career
1992 Kristi Yamaguchi - ended the competitive career (won gold on the professional cirquit though)
1988 Katarina Witt - skipped next season
1984 Katarina Witt - won gold at euros next year

So are you saying that zagitova is the only one of these since 1984 to when the first place gold medal so soon after winning the Olympics? thank you for those statistics reading them is amazing.

 

[moriel]

So are you saying that zagitova is the only one of these since 1984 to when the first place gold medal so soon after winning the Olympics? thank you for those statistics reading them is amazing.

She is the first one after Witt to win a gold on the first competition of the post olympic season.
Honstly, simply the fact that she didnt end the career is a major feat, look at all the folks who quit (and add Adelina to that, imho)

 

[Scott512]

Do you feel it?

Wow she had her game face on then.

 

[Scott512]

She is the first one after Witt to win a gold on the first competition of the post olympic season.
Honstly, simply the fact that she didnt end the career is a major feat, look at all the folks who quit (and add Adelina to that, imho)

Good point. This is an amazing achievement for Alina especially considering how much deeper the talent level is now than say 20 or 30 years ago.

 

[Finley]

She is the first one after Witt to win a gold on the first competition of the post olympic season.
Honstly, simply the fact that she didnt end the career is a major feat, look at all the folks who quit (and add Adelina to that, imho)

Thank you so much for compiling those statistics. I reposted it in Alina's fan-thread just because. It really is something. Not that Nebelhorn can be compared to Worlds. And it is a long season, anything can happen. But like you said, just that she didn't retire is something!

 

[TGee]

thank you so much everyone! very interesting the way names are used. i was confused especially how Sasha came from Alexandra.

in the case of Alena/Alyona, what about Elena? is this actually pronounced how we would say it in America, or is it like Elyona?

Lots of these names come from Greek names. And sometimes the short names tie back to the Greek in unexpected ways.

Elena / Yelena is a different name that comes from Helen. Lena can be a short form, but Lena is also used for other older and less common names that end in Lena.

Alyona or Aliona is similar to a very common male short name 'Alyosha' - Алёша.

Alyosha comes from the Greek name Alexios, which is formally Aleksei or Alexei for boys/men -- which in western Europe morphed to 'Louis' and 'Louise' or Alexis.

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I looked at the questions myself and didn't know where to start. And I think everyone's curiosity and interest in getting it right is great.

With 3 different transliteration systems to Latin letters in use, and a transcription system out there that is yet again different, inconsistencies are everywhere. Russia has designated one system for passports, and that itself changed not so long ago. And then the ISU appears to be using yet another system.

I would like to underscore that using the more intimate diminutives without someone's permission is not a done thing. I really appreciate this point being made.

Imagine how people you know who insist on being called Suzanne or Deborah react to being called Suzie or Debbie without consent. Only in Russian it's more intimate than that.

And some diminutives are not always positive. Some can be chidingly used to get the attention of young children when they aren't behaving well. I leave it to the imagination how well they come across when used out of context.

Speaking personally, I can say that my kids, who exist between the two cultures, are very insistent that only the standard short form is used where others will overhear.

 

[moriel]

Thank you so much for compiling those statistics. I reposted it in Alina's fan-thread just because. It really is something. Not that Nebelhorn can be compared to Worlds. And it is a long season, anything can happen. But like you said, just that she didn't retire is something!

she did not retire, she survived to a growth spurt (7cm since olympics), she is doing great at the post olympic season

 

[moriel]

And some diminutives are not always positive. Some can be chidingly used to get the attention of young children when they aren't behaving well. I leave it to the imagination how well they come across when used out of context.

The -ka diminutives tend to be a little trickier overall. For example, Mashka is a common name for farm animals, and i would never call any Maria i know Mashka unless they tell me it is ok.

 

[Deripashka]

Do you feel it?

Hehe this is epic. Alina is like "D*ra бляt кто-то здесь идет луксуснэ получить на пи**!?" and Eteri to Danil is like "Phew let her go, she is pissed off".

 

[macy]

Alina really looks grown up now. As much as I loved her tutus for being unique, they made her look younger. Now, especially in that Carmen dress, she looks mature and wonderful. I wanted either a black or a red dress and now I have both so I'm totally happy. Somebody should really give Olga flowers and a prize because all her dresses are stunning. :luv17:

And I have to admit... As much as I love Zhenya taking a new path in choreography, training environment and applaude her for every step she dared to take... I wish she would keep Olga. Very selfish and shallow but her dresses are literally ALWAYS impressing me so much! I can't help but miss them, even if her FS one is really beautiful as well. The only one that is on par with Olga (IMO) is the one that dresses the Korean girls.

i personally wish Evgenia would let Lisa McKinnon do a dress for her, her work is STUNNING there is literally not one costume i've seen of hers that isn't beautiful. if you haven't heard of her, she does costumes for many US skaters and also did Aliona's and Bruno's last year. Here's her instagram-

https://www.instagram.com/lisamckinnon90210/?hl=en

 

[moriel]

i personally wish Evgenia would let Lisa McKinnon do a dress for her, her work is STUNNING there is literally not one costume i've seen of hers that isn't beautiful. if you haven't heard of her, she does costumes for many US skaters and also did Aliona's and Bruno's last year. Here's her instagram-

https://www.instagram.com/lisamckinnon90210/?hl=en

Ryabenko is better imho, but at any rate, there are tons of great people who Zhenya could hire. I bet literally everybody would find some time for an olympic silver medalist

 

[TGee]

The -ka diminutives tend to be a little trickier overall. For example, Mashka is a common name for farm animals, and i would never call any Maria i know Mashka unless they tell me it is ok.

Now you're making me laugh.

I can see my mother telling me that she could never call someone by a certain diminutive - even though this lady wished it - because my grandparents' barn cat had that name when my mother was a child.

But all to say that many Russian names can evoke a lot of unexpected allusions.

That's one of the reasons people seem to have gravitated back to the top 10 classic female and male formal names...but Russians can still find ways to individualize those.

Best bet...only use the names that skaters use when referring to themselves.

 

[plushyfan]

i personally wish Evgenia would let Lisa McKinnon do a dress for her, her work is STUNNING there is literally not one costume i've seen of hers that isn't beautiful. if you haven't heard of her, she does costumes for many US skaters and also did Aliona's and Bruno's last year. Here's her instagram-

https://www.instagram.com/lisamckinnon90210/?hl=en

really stunning works!!!

 

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Shura used rarely for family and friends only.

And I think never with girls.

 

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With her skate Alina has shown who is the boss. Some idiots on sports.ru said she decided to skip Nepela because she was scared of Kihira. LOL - that's the case where these three letters are absolutely appropriate.

 

[Scott512]

she did not retire, she survived to a growth spurt (7cm since olympics), she is doing great at the post olympic season

Growing 7 centimeters or 3 inches in less than a year and still keeping your game in figure skating is remarkable.