2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[sweetice]

the fact that Polina Tsurskaya and Daria Panenkova did so bad, while the japanese were all on point, it makes Russia look slightly weaker this season.

What ?

Actually, Matsuda was worst then Tsurskaya and Panenkova. I don't even want to talk about what happen to Marin at Skate America :scowl:

You have high expectations on Hongo and Shiraiwa ?

It's not fair to say that Russia look that weaker. And we know that, next year, will comes an army of russians, while the japanese juniors aren't even on the same level with the koreans ( Kim and You ).

Really, we are thinking too much on that. Zagitova is still the overall favorite for everything, with an untouchable season best, it's still very early to put Medvedeva aside, because the free program of Skate Canada confirm that she is a warrior, and we have already see Tuktamysheva winning three international competitions rising from the ashes e recovering the 3A.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I just want Masha to show up to NHK and crack her thighs louder than ever and proceed to slay the ice!! I have a feeling she will show up much more prepared than she was for Japan Open.

Two weeks and it’s on!!

 

[andromache]

I just want Masha to show up to NHK and crack her thighs louder than ever and proceed to slay the ice!! I have a feeling she will show up much more prepared than she was for Japan Open.

Two weeks and it’s on!!

I'm hoping for this, but based on how the rest of Buyanova's students are doing, I'm not super confident. But I'm a Sotskova fan! And she has the best programs this season than she has ever before had at the senior level. I want to see them skated to their potential.

 

[Fluture]

I just want Masha to show up to NHK and crack her thighs louder than ever and proceed to slay the ice!! I have a feeling she will show up much more prepared than she was for Japan Open.

Two weeks and it’s on!!

NHK just has such a strong field, it’s almost impossible to make a prediction. I‘m already a mess at making them, I don‘t know how it will look like for that competition. I‘ll probably end up with like 10 points in ladies lol

Masha will have had lots of time to improve between JO and NHK so it‘s absolutely not out of question that she can make a splash and land herself if not on but near the podium.

 

[Tolstoj]

What ?

Actually, Matsuda was worst then Tsurskaya and Panenkova. I don't even want to talk about what happen to Marin at Skate America :scowl:

You have high expectations on Hongo and Shiraiwa ?

It's not fair to say that Russia look that weaker. And we know that, next year, will comes an army of russians, while the japanese juniors aren't even on the same level with the koreans ( Kim and You ).

Really, we are thinking too much on that. Zagitova is still the overall favorite for everything, with an untouchable season best, it's still very early to put Medvedeva aside, because the free program of Skate Canada confirm that she is a warrior, and we have already see Tuktamysheva winning three international competitions rising from the ashes e recovering the 3A.

Matsuda was never considered a contender, while yes i forgot about Marin.

The thing is Radionova, Tsurskaya, Panenkova are all skaters that got medals and good scores last year, so to jump from that to nothing (whether is meltdown or injury) is concerning, i'm worried for Sotskova now, i think Japan might want to sweep that podium at NHK with Kihira, Miyahara and Mihara as they all looked soo strong earlier this season.

 

[Imagine]

Meh. Liza and Zhenya did good...but honestly, I'm over here like, when are the junior ladies skating again? Cause that's where it's at.

 

[TGee]

I‘m quite curious as well. She has so much potential and her first start in the season was really, really good so I‘m expecting a lot from her. Overall, this season seems like a lot of unexpected things can happen. Alina definitely looks like the one to beat but Rika is a strong contender as well. I don‘t know about her nerves, to me she seemed pretty confident at Nepela Trophy even with the fall. It will be interesting to see how that translates to her first GP event which will be in NHK trophy, I think? Liza will be there, too, so that we speak of a Russian lady again and not go totally off-topic. Battle of the 3As! :eeking: I‘d love for Liza to take home another gold but with Satoko, Mai and Rika all there it seems tougher than I thought as especially the former two are really consistent. Liza can‘t afford a mistake and we all know how risky those 3As are. But I have confidence in her that she can slay no matter what, even if she doesn‘t win gold. A bronze would be totally sufficient for her to enter the GPF.

I think that Liza has the tougher second GP.

I suspect Bradie may have peaked at ACI. I agree that Rika has yet to show she can consistently deliver a well rounded high BV program cleanly. And clean is crucial this season. So, Zhenya has a good opportunity to get the gold in France, and even with a silver she would have 24 points and a strong chance to get in the GPF.

But Miyahara did very well at Skate America despite a UR call and tough judging. She'll have the boost of a home event at NHK. Getting on the podium with Miyahara, Mihara, and Kihira at home will be a fight.

Tactically, it's likely better for Russia that Liza was the one who took gold at SCI.

A bronze for 24 for Liza should be achievable and make the GPF cut. Yes, we'd like to see her place higher, but the key objective is to see Liza and Zhenya join Alina at the Final.

 

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It's not japanese powerhouse but the fact that Polina Tsurskaya and Daria Panenkova did so bad, while the japanese were all on point, it makes Russia look slightly weaker this season.

I responded to the phrase that only next year will Russia be able to challenge the Japanese powerhouse. At this moment Polina, Daria and many others do not matter in this respect. What matters is:

1) Can Alina skate consistently? If yes, no one from "the powerhouse" will be able to challenge her worlds gold aspirations.

2) Will this long-term Bejing rhetoric nonsense stop and Zhenya starts to deliver at least SPs with combos and FPs without UR on loop? If yes, she will be competitive with everyone from the powerhouse but clean Kihira.

3) Can Liza produce consistently 3A and 3Lz-3T? If yes, her score will go through the roof with her pcs reaching and exceeding 2015 level.

I am not sure if the Japanese powerhouse is such an insurmountable obstacle to this Russian trio. In fact if everyone is doing fine Russia will have the strongest team ever.

 

[sweetice]

Matsuda was never considered a contender, while yes i forgot about Marin.

The thing is Radionova, Tsurskaya, Panenkova are all skaters that got medals and good scores last year, so to jump from that to nothing (whether is meltdown or injury) is concerning, i'm worried for Sotskova now, i think Japan might want to sweep that podium at NHK with Kihira, Miyahara and Mihara as they all looked soo strong earlier this season.

Higuchi was more a contender then those three russian and her season actually don't look shiny. Even if the problem is her physical condition, the results are not reassuring.

And there still Tuktamysheva at the NHK, who knows...

Really, we are talking about a sport where the federations need three competitive athletes/pairs at max for every discipline. The more the merrier, but not by much. Russia still have them on the ladies, and it seem so obvious that a lot of junior russian are coming to take the place of every reserve, and not only them actually...
What's the problem ? A single year of, maybe, a bit of less domain over this discipline, between senior ? What a drama

Sotskova started good last season, but then her results goes down, beatable by all the better japanese. Tuktamysheva's results are actually more consistent.

 

[IceBallerina]

NHK is a complete question mark. Masha, while I do love her, is unlikely in my opinion to make the podium. Even Liza might find it hard to make the podium if Satoko, Mai and Rika skate to their full potential.

On the topic of the Japanese being stronger than Russia this season, I don’t think this is true. If Evgenia can deliver cleanly again, fix her levels, and only have one lutz, she could score 150 again. Alina will be untouchable if she skates clean (I hope she does ) And if Liza performs consistently and gets her PCs up she will also become a big contender. The only person I can see stopping Russia from being at the top this season is Rika, although that is something time will tell.

 

[skatenewbie]

Liza need to have clean SP and clean 3A or clean 3-3 in FS. She could be 1st in SP NHK since her SB is higher than Miyahara. in FS is the problem where all Japanese ladies could score 140s for clean program, if she deliver clean 3Lz-3T and 3A she will be fine. If she did not deliver clean 3A then clean 3Lz-3T might get her a medal which she's yet to do in competition, 3Lz-2T won't be enough, unless Rika falter (she's the most inconsistent among all 3 Japan ladies)

 

[DanseMacabre]

Who knows how any of this is going to turn out, but I'm giddy at how interesting the Russian and Japanese women are making this season. Talk about an embarrassment of riches.

 

[Sugar Coated]

In that case TAT is the best in the world for you. Devil wears Shuba... on channel one. Seriously, she keeps constantly pouring fuel in the Russian community bonfire since the Olympics.

Is there anywhere I can find subtitles of her commentary? Seriously....I think it would enhance my personal experience even if her commentary detracts from most everyone else’s.

 

[Orlov]

Devil wears Shuba...

Yeah, russian edition

 

[Orlov]

Is there anywhere I can find subtitles of her commentary? Seriously....I think it would enhance my personal experience even if her commentary detracts from most everyone else’s.

https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/russiateam/2225633.html

"Tatyana Tarasova on the commentary position habitually burst into tears:

- Oh, well done! Welcome back! She is an extraordinary athlete! I want to cry! How dreadful was yesterday - no one slept or ate. Losing confidence. And today she skated what she could. There were mistakes, but this is not important - it is important that she is in the ranks and will fight. She wants jump this damned lutz from the outside edge, and she will jump it. She taught it in childhood - and she did not learn it. And now she needs to do it.

Alexey Yagudin: Tatyana Anatolyevna, at some point I thought that you eating me now. (it was my best part )

Tarasova: No, I will not eat you. I will not eat anyone (oh thank god, now I can sleep well). I just really want outstanding figure skaters to succeed. She made such a big step - serious, hard, offensive for everyone. But she knew what she was doing.

Yagudin: The edges are difficult to retrain. It’s like breaking the foundation of a house."

 

[zounger]

Sorry, I had to correct it

Devil wears Shuba... on Chanel one.

 

[Resa]

So, after the first two GP's, how many Russian Ladies will be in the GPF you think?

 

[Spirals for Miles]

So, after the first two GP's, how many Russian Ladies will be in the GPF you think?

My fear: just one
Realistically: two
My hope: three

 

[Resa]

My fear: just one
Realistically: two
My hope: three

Well, I think at least Zagitova and Tuktamysheva should have a high chance. Medvedeva will probably make it happen, because the field at her 2nd Grand Prix is not that competitive in my opinion and she had a huge LP Score even with e and >. But now, after Tsurskaya and Panenkova placed that low, and because I know the issues Sotskova has this season, I think the only one who may also have a chance is Samodurova? Although I'm not sure about her scoring potential....

 

[Resa]

There is an Interview with Liza from SC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsx_hipTO6g