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It's really sad that some of the great senior ladies probably won't go to nationals
2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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It is indeed. It'll be even worse next year. As I said yesterday, even someone of Polina Tsurskaya's calibre is a question mark when it comes to next year's nationals.
If she goes to nats, fed will give her the PCs and GOE necessary to make the senior top 3. They will not call her Lz. We would see stuff like Liza getting a +1 on a 3Lz, while Zhenya getting +4/+5 on hers.
I'd say its kind of simple - this year she has fed trust credit. If she does not go to nats, rusfed will give her the 3rd spot, because if they don't, they will admit they messed up and wasted money on Orser. People will be pissed, feces will hit the fan.
(Just in case, not blaming Zhenya for any of this)
While we may worry or not, I do not see how she would not make the team for euros and worlds this season, because that would be a huge blow on reputation of many decision makers. If fed spent any money on her training abroad, there is literally no way she will not make the team, because if that happens, rusfed will lose a lot of reputation internally for supporting and financing something expensive that didn't work.
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i dont think we can write Zhenya off yet. she can get 210-220 if clean for sure. Her PCS also would be more than 34/70 if clean. Even though her GOE is lower than it used to be. I hope she ditch that 2nd 3Lz in LP.
Also i think Alina need to put 3Lz-3Lo first in FS and backload 3Lz-3T. her jumps look shakier now, she still got it but is a bit more prone to UR now. Or maybe do 3F-3Lo instead? i think her 3F rarely cause her a problem like her 3Lz.
i hope Polina Tsurskaya can get it together in CoR like she did last season in NHK Trophy. If she didn't then hopefully Rusfed send her to Golden Spin as last chance to get better SB score
Also i think Alina need to put 3Lz-3Lo first in FS and backload 3Lz-3T. her jumps look shakier now, she still got it but is a bit more prone to UR now. Or maybe do 3F-3Lo instead? i think her 3F rarely cause her a problem like her 3Lz.
i hope Polina Tsurskaya can get it together in CoR like she did last season in NHK Trophy. If she didn't then hopefully Rusfed send her to Golden Spin as last chance to get better SB score
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Tarasova talked a lot after Daria's FS yesterday. Did someone catch what she said? I'm concerned about what kind of message she sent her in light of TAT's previous comments...
I don't get what the hoopala over Russian ladies being a bloodbath is all about. Tsurkaya has been skating poorly this season. Same goes for Radianova and Pogorilaya, and the latter two have been subpar (not just by Russian standards) for several seasons.
People have been hyping up the narrative of Russian ladies bloodbath since 2014, but for the last quad, the placements to Worlds were all correct and everyone who didn't make it deserved to not make it (Sotnikova, Lipniskaia, Radianova, Pogorilaya, Tukt). It's not like potential Worlds medalists are being bumped off advancing due to the depth of the field.
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But Russian ladies is a bloodbath - skaters like Gubanova and Nugumanova might not even make it. This year's nationals will be phenomenal.
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So a Youth Olympic Champion shouldn't be even at her nationals after a weaker season? What about world medallists, Pogorilaya, Radionova, Leonova? And people complain about the longevity of Russian skaters...
Polina had a very disappointing skate at SA but she still scored almost 160 points, which would be a respectable result for any non-Russian, non-Japanese and maybe non-American skater.
They've all been skating poorly. Pogorilaya and Radianova are both hot messes. Leonova is way beyond her time. Tukt was struggling for the past 3 seasons. They would've easily lost to other skaters on the international stage. Given the way some of them were skating, they wouldn't have made it out of Japanese Nationals or maybe American nationals (depending on the year).
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I'm not advocating to put them on the world team. I just want them to have a realistic chance to qualify for their nationals after a weaker season, struggling with injuries, etc. so that they don't feel forced to retire prematurely.
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I mean Anna had a quite serious back injury last year, we don't know how she would've skated this season bc she wasn't even at test skates. Elena, to be fair wasn't in good shape at test skates, and was performing poorly at russian cup (53 in short is kinda yikes). The first Idk why she is not in good shape, I suspect Buyanova habing so many ladies rn that there is not a lot of attention on her and the second I suspect was because of her back injury. Both are quite promising skaters but if you can't even go to nationals, your season ends so early, that I believe it's very hard to stay in competitive shape. I hope Elena switches coaches again Asap bc I feel like with a coach that pays a log of attention to her, and can rework her technique she would be a contendor(probably too late, since next season is gonna be crazy) and I hope the same for Anna and that her new coach is good.
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Oh no, what did TAT say about Daria Panenkova? Did I miss something?
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I would like to know what she said exactly because she talked quite a lot after her skate. The thing is I can't find her comments on any YouTube video to replay (I watched a stream that hasn't been archived). I had Russian classes more than 15 years ago and my native language is Slavic but I'd rather rely on a native speaker to avoid any inaccuracies.
Even when Pogorilaya was healthy, she was as big of a headcase as they come.
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Pogorilaya has 3 GP victories, a GPF bronze, 3 Euros medals, and a World bronze (which should really be 2 World bronzes).
Not bad for a healthy headcase.
Pogorilaya has 3 GP victories, a GPF bronze, 3 Euros medals, and a World bronze (which should really be 2 World bronzes).
Not bad for a healthy headcase.
So what? This doesn't disprove my point that she's a headcase. Medals don't have anything to do with it (e.g. Kostner). I didn't say Pogorilaya was a substandard skater, but she is a headcase on her best days, and has been skating poorly enough in the past seasons to have been shaky on making it out of other Nats too (Japan / US).
Y'all make it sound like Russia is nixing potential Worlds medallists out of the race when that's hardly the case.
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Medals and results have everything to do with it. If a skater is a headcase, they wouldn't be medalling -- which Pogorilaya did in the majority of events she competed in during her senior career. She won two GP golds in her 2016-2017 season
I'm not saying Pogorilaya should be nixxing potential World medalists. Obviously there are skaters in Russia who current surpass her. But I am saying that Pogorilaya having a substandard 2017-2018 season and a poor 2017 Worlds doesn't make her "as big of a headcase as they come", or diminish any of the results I mentioned.
Perhaps a better statement is "when Anna was off her game, she was REALLY off her game". But it's not like Anna didn't ever capitalize on opportunities, or get big results. Her personal best is 216.47... regular skaters would have killed for that score, let alone headcases.
I don't get this whole labelling skaters as headcases once they start competing past their prime. As if people will somehow magically forget about the (multiple) times those skaters actually stepped up and did slay the competition, and were anything but a headcase.
Pogorilaya was arguably in her prime when she was going hot and cold. I think of a headcase as someone who has all the goods to slay, but due to nerves can't hold it together at least 1/3 of the time.
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Uh, but she did hold it together more than 1/3 the time. She medaled in the majority of her events... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Pogorilaya
In her 2016-2017 season she had 6 full international events. In 4 out of 6 of these events (NHK, Rostelecom, GPF, Euros), she scored over 71 points in the SP and 137+ in the FS - and over 210 points overall. Is that headcasing to you? I suppose because she bombed her 2017 Worlds FS that somehow negates all the successes she had in 2016-2017 - her most recent full senior season? With respect to your standards of "at least 1/3 the time", she actually held it together 2/3 of the time that season.
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