2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Scrufflet]

The secret to happiness and zen is to enjoy them all for what they are and they are all great!!


I do miss Sima though

Oh I am so envious of you right now!

 

[Tolstoj]

Yeah but the comment was "that is the Russian figure skating school". And another example: If that is true, then why are the guys doing so bad?

It's a good question and there is a lot to talk about it and i think it's a combination of factors.

First of all less skaters to work with in comparison with the girls.

For a long time Russia was depending on Plushenko and the Mishin way "quality over quantity" with quads, so it was more trying to increase the height of your Axel or your Quad toe over learning new quads.

Then when it comes to Eteri, it's a matter of finding a new good talent to push and learn from him, like all coaches they learn from their mistakes, I remember an interview with Rafael Arutyunyan where he said he would have worked differently with Alexander Abt if he had the knowledge he has now.

We'll see how it goes with Samsonov, but i think Eteri is more and more convinced that she can achieve everything including teaching quads with the girls.

 

[Vandevska]

I'm looking forward to all the 18 skaters today

Awwww yaaaaaaaassssssssss this my first time watching the whole competition (except (j)gp series but those are short ) and it's really exhilarating.

Too bad people aren't really interested in discussing everyone. Maybe we can share our thoughts about everyone or at least about most girls after the competition is over.

 

[Icey]

you all sound like new skater fans not knowing how long it takes to train a new technique ON TOP of the old one. That's at least 10 years of muscle memory, its like learning how to walk or speak again, you cant fix that in six months

According to "Live Science"

Muscle tissue does not have a "memory" of past exercise training, new research suggests.

 

[Icey]

Well, the competition starts shortly. It should be exciting and, for me, is one of the best comps of the year. Good luck to all.

 

[fabienne1996]

She was already visibly having problems with jumps at the Olympics. They were more muscled than ever. Her form wasn’t tremendous. She showed three flawless skates which is amazing in itself but she wasn’t in a form that was anywhere close to her best. She did what she could and probably more but... Compare her Olympic FS to one of her FS in late 2016/17 season. It looks different. She was injured and badly so. And she only managed to get back in the necessary form because of sheer insane mental strength and a rigorous training plan that took a strain on her health and likely resulted in either making the back injury worse or even causing it in the first place. It was necessary for her to deliver the skates she did and I’m sure she’d do it again if asked but continuing to train like this wouldn‘t have worked for her neither mentally nor physically. She beat herself up to get that experience and this may work for a few months but not years. She‘s not a superhuman and after so many years of utter domination it was obvious that there would come a time of real struggle. And it was obvious that it would be hard because if you‘re up so high you‘ll inevitably fall really low.

And imo, in Zhenya‘s mind she clearly lost the gold, not won silver. I wished it was differently and she could appreciate it more but it‘s understandable, too. It was literally only a point of a difference. That would be heartbreaking for every athlete and for Zhenya it must have been particularly so because she probably knew that this was her best and maybe only chance to get this OGM.

We don‘t know what would have happened had she stayed with Eteri but can I please remind you that nit everyone who stayed with Eteri after the Olympics did necessarily well. Yulia struggled a lot, too and it was a mixture of growing and mental issues. Her situation is completely different from Zhenya‘s so comparing them does no good but what I meant was... Eteri‘s not the ultimate solution for every problem a skater faces and we just have literally no idea how this season would have looked like for Zhenya without a coaching change.

I do think that had zhenya would have been a 100 percent fit at the Olympics she would have won. But that is just my opinion and in no way hate or anything else against alina. Zhenya was skating on painkillers at the Olympics if I remember it correctly. To go out knowing you are not at your best , not 100 percent healthy and skate your heart out cause that is what she did there is beyond amazing.yes alina was and is better technically and we will never know what would have happened if zhenyanhad not been inured .

 

[DenissVFan]

Awwww yaaaaaaaassssssssss this my first time watching the whole competition (except (j)gp series but those are short ) and it's really exhilarating.

Too bad people aren't really interested in discussing everyone. Maybe we can share our thoughts about everyone or at least about most girls after the competition is over.

Enjoy!

JGPs are pretty long actually as there are more than 18 competitors in ladies, about 30. Only the JGPF is short with only 6 skaters.

You're right that the other skaters deserve more attention. Yesterday NINE of them scored over 70 points, incredible

 

[Bluediamonds09]

I’m hoping that Guliakova makes top 10 and gets an International assignment next season

I hope that Trusova works on improving her spins. I know they’re level 4 but what kind of GOE does she typically get?

 

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[Fluture]

I do think that had zhenya would have been a 100 percent fit at the Olympics she would have won. But that is just my opinion and in no way hate or anything else against alina. Zhenya was skating on painkillers at the Olympics if I remember it correctly. To go out knowing you are not at your best , not 100 percent healthy and skate your heart out cause that is what she did there is beyond amazing.yes alina was and is better technically and we will never know what would have happened if zhenyanhad not been inured .

I think everyone knows that and it‘s not a jab against Alina. She took the chance life gave her and made the best of it, delivered when it mattered and showed nerves of steel. Zhenya just had bad luck with the injury, she was out of many competitions, kinda lost her momentum. She also couldn‘t pull of the more difficult layout she was trying to do at the earlier competitions due to her injury. She did the best and so did Alina and the outcome was as it was. They both are deserving of respect but I don‘t think we really can say “if Zhenya wasn‘t injured she would have won“. It‘s likely but not 100% sure and we frankly will never know. It is what it is. The gold is Alina’s and she won it fair and square in this competition and we‘ll never know what would have happened if the situation had been different and thinking about it does neither of the girls any good. Because, likewise, what if Alina hadn‘t had the amazing presence of mind to add 3Lz-3lo later in the program? Then Zhenya would have won too. But she did it and she did it well and the gold is hers and will always be. And Zhenya knows that, Alina knows that and we all do. They both did amazingly. But in the end Alina had luck on her side this season and she used the chance she was given with strength and competence and the mindset of a champion. She trained day in day out, which Zhenya herself said. To me, they are both amazing and I‘d have preferred them both to get gold in the team event just so that the whole drama would have been lessened and fans of both of them would have not felt so pulled apart by the two fanbases passionately fighting each other. But it likely would still have happened anyway. Figure skating fans will be figure skating fans.

 

[Mista Ekko]

I do think that had zhenya would have been a 100 percent fit at the Olympics she would have won. But that is just my opinion and in no way hate or anything else against alina. Zhenya was skating on painkillers at the Olympics if I remember it correctly. To go out knowing you are not at your best , not 100 percent healthy and skate your heart out cause that is what she did there is beyond amazing.yes alina was and is better technically and we will never know what would have happened if zhenyanhad not been inured .

I think the judges would've given it to Zagitova nonetheless,
If they didn't want to they wouldn't have propped up her PCS
to rival the 2 time World champion, In the end there was a point and a half in it,
that could've been easily made up by a larger component gap.

In the end Medvedeva lost Olympics because she didn't put all of her jump elements in the 2nd half,
A strategy that would be "Outlawed" by the ISU just a few months after the Olympics,
Ironically enough

 

[soogar]

Just judging on the videos of Medvedeva's run throughs now compared to her Olympic run throughs, she isn't attacking elements in the run throughs like before. She does look more tentative and she's stopping while her music is on. Compared to last year when she and Alina were doing 3-3-3 s in the practices. I think the girls under Eteri are very serious about the run throughs and it translates to competitive performance.

My opinion (only JMO) but based on what I see, I think she is finished. She looks really clumsy out there; it's as though she has fallen back to earth. I also think that Brian probably didn't agree with her changing her short on such short notice but went along with her decision to "teach her a lesson." I don't mean to phrase it like this, but she needs to experience the consequences of a bad decision to understand the larger scheme of things.

 

[fabienne1996]

Just judging on the videos of Medvedeva's run throughs now compared to her Olympic run throughs, she isn't attacking elements in the run throughs like before. She does look more tentative and she's stopping while her music is on. Compared to last year when she and Alina were doing 3-3-3 s in the practices. I think the girls under Eteri are very serious about the run throughs and it translates to competitive performance.

My opinion (only JMO) but based on what I see, I think she is finished. She looks really clumsy out there; it's as though she has fallen back to earth. I also think that Brian probably didn't agree with her changing her short on such short notice but went along with her decision to "teach her a lesson." I don't mean to phrase it like this, but she needs to experience the consequences of a bad decision to understand the larger scheme of things.

You can have you opinion,but I would like to remind you all that Liza tuktik was world champion 1015 than had 3 bad season and now is coming back this season better than ever. So why can she come back and zhenya can't? And well it is normal in practice to not do the whole programm that's why she is stopping, she is doing the jumps but not the spins. Eteri girls are doing the same just look at alenas training today she also did the jumps but not the whole programm that is absolutely normal. And well she again had a fracture in her ankle, had or has apparently still a compression fracture at her spine which gives her the back pains and back problems. So naturally she is more cautious.

 

[Ophelia]

Some posters are just super pressed and bitter today and it's deliciously amusing to see.

 

[Vandevska]

Some posters are just super pressed and bitter today and it's delightfully amusing to see.

You know, instead of getting super annoyed at them I should embrace this and be amused too. I guess this what I can say to the nonsense: :handw: :taunt:

 

[Ophelia]

You know, instead of getting super annoyed at them I should embrace this and be amused too. I guess this what I can say to the nonsense: :handw: :taunt:

I mean, why would you ever spend precious energy working up annoyance at random internet posters? Ain't nobody got time for that.

 

[Vandevska]

I mean, why would you ever spend precious energy working up annoyance at random internet posters? Ain't nobody got time for that.

I guess so, but I'm also short tempered sometimes so it's hard when I see such ultimate nonsense.

 

[DenissVFan]

Me @ the conspiracy theory about the streams: http://freegifmaker.me/images/2dR6r/

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I do not agree with Tarakanovas 58 PCS. She had a better performance than Sotskova (and in my opinion also Medvedeva) and should have gotten PCS in the mid 60s in my opinion. It's not fair to her.

Well yes but her coaching staff very aware of RusFed politics and likely prepared her for the “show” that RusNats is

She’s a tough kid and I kinda hope she gets another season on JGPF to build up some more respect that she so clearly deserves.

 

[oatmella]

Sorry, I don't agree. A year ago he did not need her at all. Gabby was a WC medal winner up and running for the Olympics. But now, Gabby works on her problems, Lizbet went to Eteri. If nothing works out with Zhenya - and so far it is just lamentable - I am not sure what reputation as ladies' coach will he have with all his "caliber".

If she leaves him this season it will be his big failure. So that in his best interests is not to charge her at all before she come back to where she was before.

So now Zhenya deserves free coaching? Orser will be fine - whether or not she is successful.

Kind of tired of the pity party - she lost Olympic gold/won silver. Endless sympathy isn’t going to help her and free coaching ... she’s not a charity case.