2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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What do you mean with "performance" as bad here?
She's very "performing" every single run, IMHO.
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Alexandra Trusova IMO, has the worst artistic skills and should get lower pcs.
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Anybody who has any idea about skating and PCS system will have to agree. & casual viewers see that too.
To me as great and brave a girl Sasha is, imagine taking the quads away from her programs (which will happen eventually).
It's pretty hard to get through her programs especially her FS after the quads because her skating is so rushed, she doesn't skate to the music and it's just jump to jump to jump & she kinda "accepts" that there has to be music in the background and some arm movement.
And as great as her Loop combos are, because she doesn't hold landings or actually stretches her leg out or moves to the music, they don't have the WOW factor that they should have. Alena makes her 2A look more impressive than Sasha does her 3-3.
Skating is a sport, first and foremost, and athletically she is brilliant and doing what no other can. But take those 4ds away and the other 2 Eteri girls are better skaters than her imo.
I'm thinking about her performing the 'character' of the program. Her programs this season want to show her as a tough fighter (please share your opinion if you think diffently) but... she seems to be going to the motions from element, to transitions, to element. I only see the tough fighter if I think about the difficult jump content, not in anything else. It's a cute girl punching the judges
She does however complete her elements with the most ease of the 3 girls so I can't say that she is 'performing' bad - just not exceptionally good.
The problem is don't think Sasha is a good actor atm. She CAN show a lot of personality (and does!) but idk if Daniil/Eteri want to do a 'cute tomboyish girl who is a jumping prodigy' program for her senior debut. Judges want to see a 'mature image' for the PCS rise...
I'm thinking about her performing the 'character' of the program. Her programs this season want to show her as a tough fighter (please share your opinion if you think diffently) but... she seems to be going to the motions from element, to transitions, to element. I only see the tough fighter if I think about the difficult jump content, not in anything else. It's a cute girl punching the judges
She does however complete her elements with the most ease of the 3 girls so I can't say that she is 'performing' bad - just not exceptionally good.
The problem is don't think Sasha is a good actor atm. She CAN show a lot of personality (and does!) but idk if Daniil/Eteri want to do a 'cute tomboyish girl who is a jumping prodigy' program for her senior debut. Judges want to see a 'mature image' for the PCS rise...
To have decent PCS she needs to stop "quading".
Stating she's no more able to do quads would immediately render her as "another good girl". And the Board will eventually stop to treat her as a wooden puppet with springs and motors.
I'm afraid the judges aren't ready for that TES and high PCS form the same female skater yet.
Too fast on rotations. Too fast for observers' brains to recognize the beauty of her 3-3 (least of her quads).
She needs to gain weight, become fat and slow to make us happy. I understand the idea.
The quads are not the problem. For me, her setting up the quads gets most of the 'tough fighter' across to the audience and adds to the performance. The rest of the program? Not so much. I realisticly know Lz-Lo and cantilever are difficult and spectacular elements, but they don't look that spectacular but more like her going through the motions. Maybe it is her packaging this season and they tried something else idk.
PCS rise often follows high TES re: Rika, but Sasha has already devellopped the reputation of a non-artistic skater. In our judging system this means lower PCS, which is sad because I think her SS (&TR) are actually good.
We will see how it goes in seniors.
The PCs raise usually after the junior turns senior, since junior PCs follow a different pattern.
Also PCs gets higher with consistency, and so far Sasha is very consistent outside the quad falls. Her spins have a lot of room to improve though.
I find Sasha’s programs quite refreshing this season. But it seems most people prefer classic music performances.
I find Sasha’s programs quite refreshing this season. But it seems most people prefer classic music performances.
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What exactly does Eteri do? From my understanding, Dudakov is responsible for the jumps and Daniil is responsible for the choreography. Is Eteri there to motivate the girls?
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... I think Sasha’s pretty good at performing. Ok not like Anya or Alena level, but she’s good in her own sense. Alena is mature and elegant, while Anya is light and very expressive. Sasha on the other hand is very powerful, and I think her Kill Bill SP really brings out her power.
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She doesn't need to stop doing quads or Loop combos, she just needs to improve her skating skills, lines and presentation.
And most of all, the team needs to time her amazing "normal" jumps more with the music to give them more effect & not treat them as the side dish when it's all about quads.
It's not that the judges deny her PCS it's that she doesn't deserve them (yet).
But what do you expect? Learning 3 different quads takes up a lot of your training time that other skaters can spend perfecting other aspects of their skating.
I just think that once she loses those quads during puberty she will have to have developed more as a skater to hold up without that point advantage.
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em. no. They doesn't work like that.
Eteri and Daniil are both work on choreography and programs.
https://youtu.be/yLqjDQDSS0c?t=233
(-Do you do the choreography yourself?
ET: Me and Danya (Daniil). We work together so sometimes I find the music, he makes the story. Or he finds the music, I make the story.)
Dudakov don't.
everything also? All 3 of them (now four of them. Rosanov too). They all have the same responsibilities. They ALL work on jumps and technique. They all work on spins and steps and so on.
So for example Eteri won't hold a skater on harness. She is a woman. It's a men' jobs. https://pp.userapi.com/c840436/v840436748/7e7c1/QS30q24jyD0.jpg (Rosanov) and https://pp.userapi.com/c830108/v830108302/da3cc/vKl2Usj8owk.jpg
But as she said they all work together on everything as a team.
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It doesn't mean that. PCS are not equal with artistic impression, though good artistic impression can boost your scores. You can still score high even if you are not an 'artist' on ice, you just need to fulfill other requirements defined by PCS.
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But the general "consensus" here (at least how I have read the posts) is Alina is devolving and Evgenia is evolving.
So if you go by the practices, they both are evolving. It doesn't have to be a zero sum game.
They can both be improving.
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Go back and watch her programs from last season and then compare them to this season. She’s been working very hard on her presentation and especially her skating skills. She’s developing really nicely IMO. I actually think her jumps are timed up pretty well to the music too. Especially the SP. Danil seems to love that stuff.
Just compare her poise and power on the in between steps and I think you’ll get a sense for how much work she has put in. I actually rewatched them yesterday just for fun
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Go back and watch her programs from last season to this season. She’s been working very hard on her presentation and especially her skating skills. She’s developing really nicely IMO. I actually think her jumps are timed up pretty well tpnthe music too. Danil seems to love that stuff.
Just compare her poise and power on the in between steps and I think you’ll get a sense for how much work she has put in. I actually rewatched them yesterday just for fun
Sasha' presentation will always be underappreciated in some circles.
Just as it always was for Midori Ito.
I guess I just don't like Sasha's programs this season, let's see what they show in her senior debut
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Even if it's a questionable choice for a 13yo, for me she could sell her old SP better. Sasha is a charming girl [(c) Ted Barton] and I hope they will use that charm in the future!
- care controversial opinion -
Even if it's a questionable choice for a 13yo, for me she could sell her old SP better. Sasha is a charming girl [(c) Ted Barton] and I hope they will use that charm in the future!
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So many people are confusing good skating skills and being graceful with musicality.
Yes, Alena has great skating skills, no one doubts that. But Trusova's skating skills aren't miles behind like some seem to imply.
Yes, performance and presentation have some work to do. Her hand and arm movements need more maturity. Sasha may not be the trademark femenine artistic skater, but her SS are good, she is fast, good balance, power, and execution. She is one of the fastest ladies skater. Good edges. She has crazy transitions and her skating is very powerfull overall.
again. You don't have to have elegant movements to have good skating skills.
Also, artistically Trusova's improved the most in comparison to last year. She is captivating as a performer. She commands your attention with her intensity. She is different from other girls. But I don't think it a bad.
Yes, Alena has great skating skills, no one doubts that. But Trusova's skating skills aren't miles behind like some seem to imply.
Yes, performance and presentation have some work to do. Her hand and arm movements need more maturity. Sasha may not be the trademark femenine artistic skater, but her SS are good, she is fast, good balance, power, and execution. She is one of the fastest ladies skater. Good edges. She has crazy transitions and her skating is very powerfull overall.
again. You don't have to have elegant movements to have good skating skills.
Also, artistically Trusova's improved the most in comparison to last year. She is captivating as a performer. She commands your attention with her intensity. She is different from other girls. But I don't think it a bad.
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