2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[TripleAxelQueens3]

What are qualifications for Russian Cup Final?

 

[Edwin]

What are qualifications for Russian Cup Final?

Would like to know as well. There should be a ranking list of both KMC (Candidates-) and MC (Masters of Sport), but I haven't found it on fsrussia.ru.
Usually, you'll need to have participated in 2 or more regional qualifiers, but I suppose wildcards are handed out regularly, like now to Medvyedeva it seems.

 

[macy]

I’m actually wondering what’s preventing Alena from the triple axel and quads sooner than the other girls. Is t the rotations or the drawing strength for the height? Her execution and technique now is nearly flawless (+4 and +5s all around) and if anyone should even be ready to take on a next challenge because of their superb mastery or the other jumps at this point, I’d say it’s Alena. Also, I’m always extremely impressed at the nearly no travel on her spins. They’re so centered!!

i do think a good part of this has to do with puberty, she does look like she has grown from last season. but i also wonder if she is experiencing injuries because of the boots she currently has. they don't have the support needed for 3A and/or quads, so i hope she recognizes this and switches in the off season. IMO if she stays with edea she should be wearing pianos or ice flys.

 

[vorravorra]

Would like to know as well. There should be a ranking list of both KMC (Candidates-) and MC (Masters of Sport), but I haven't found it on fsrussia.ru.
Usually, you'll need to have participated in 2 or more regional qualifiers, but I suppose wildcards are handed out regularly, like now to Medvyedeva it seems.

Top skaters can just turn up, it's nothing new. E.g. Tuktamysheva, Samarin have done it, Kolyada almost did (withdrew at the last moment due to health issues) without formally qualifying.

 

[Edwin]

Probably, and FFKKR declared it the final proof of readiness/moment of qualification to certain important events.

There is bound to be great disappointment in some skaters finding they are redundant, despite their efforts.

 

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When I said a while ago that the key driver of attacks on Eteri is jealosy: she can do what other coaches from Russia and other countries just uncapable of doing - there were many indignant responses. Now Averbukh used the same word "jealosy". I am not against being in his company (or his being in my company

«Я понимаю эти критические стрелы, но мне кажется, что это больше некая тренерская ревность, — поделился Авербух. — Мы должны всесторонне поддерживать их и гордиться тем, что у нас в стране есть такая школа. Подчеркну, это именно школа, воспитавшая целую плеяду девушек. Некоторые переворачивают с ног на голову и утверждают, что достаточно на ребенка повысить голос и он будет прыгать четверные. Если бы все было так легко, то четверные прыгали все, но пока их делают только в группе Тутберидзе».

«В этой школе потрясающие специалисты: и Сергей Дудаков, и Даниил Глейхенгауз, и сама Этери. Даже техника, которая была у этих ребят, сейчас переносится в другие группы, чтобы ребята прыгали, как в группе Тутберидзе. Давайте их поддерживать.»

I understand the critique but I think it's more like coach jealosy - says Averbukh. We should fully support them and be proud of having such a school. This is namely the school that has brought up a constellation of girls. Some turn it upside down and assert that one can just shout at a kid and she will start jumping quads. If it were that simple everyone would jump quads but so far only Tutberidze school can do them.

This school has outstanding professionals: Sergey Dudakov, David Gleikhengauz, and Eteri herself. Even their technique is now used by others do that the kids can jump like in Tutberidze's group. Let's support them.

 

[neusw]

I don’t suspect they’ll be quite as close internationally but Sasha is going to score between 7.5 and 8.5 pcs regularly and I think that is absolutely fair. If both hit their best performances you’re going to regularly see ~4-8 pts difference in Alena’s favor in each program.

TBH I think asking Sasha to be scored ~7.5 is a little stingy here. I’d have scored Sasha ~8.5’s at Jr Nats and Alena ~9.5. That would give a pretty fair advantage to Alena which IMO accurately depicts the difference between the two at this event. Alena’s real problem is that Sasha performs her SP very well and even with a fall isn’t going to lose enough points to make a real difference after a clean FS.

I agree with you that in international scoring it is very reasonable to have Sasha at 8.5 and Alena and 9.5. However, due to their tech differences (yes, PCS follows tech, no one should be surprised by this anymore) I expect next year with clean programs they would score more like Sasha=8.75 and Alena=9.25-9.5. The reality of the matter is that Alena may have an up to 12 point advantage in PCS across 2 programs, but no amount of PCS padding from the judges is going to make up for a 15-20 pt deficit in Tech when Sasha is much more than *just* a jumper with no other discernible skills. This isn't a 2015 Jin Boyang vs. Yuzuru Hanyu situation, it's more like a 2018 Nathan Chen vs. Jason Brown. The reality is that you can always depend on Alena to be perfectly clean but where she places is entirely dependent on whether others with higher tech fall, and how many times they fall. It's a sport, there's risk and reward involved.

 

[Scott512]

When I said a while ago that the key driver of attacks on Eteri is jealosy: she can do what other coaches from Russia and other countries just uncapable of doing - there were many indignant responses. Now Averbukh used the same word "jealosy". I am not against being in his company (or his being in my company

«Я понимаю эти критические стрелы, но мне кажется, что это больше некая тренерская ревность, — поделился Авербух. — Мы должны всесторонне поддерживать их и гордиться тем, что у нас в стране есть такая школа. Подчеркну, это именно школа, воспитавшая целую плеяду девушек. Некоторые переворачивают с ног на голову и утверждают, что достаточно на ребенка повысить голос и он будет прыгать четверные. Если бы все было так легко, то четверные прыгали все, но пока их делают только в группе Тутберидзе».

«В этой школе потрясающие специалисты: и Сергей Дудаков, и Даниил Глейхенгауз, и сама Этери. Даже техника, которая была у этих ребят, сейчас переносится в другие группы, чтобы ребята прыгали, как в группе Тутберидзе. Давайте их поддерживать.»

I understand the critique but I think it's more like coach jealosy - says Averbukh. We should fully support them and be proud of having such a school. This is namely the school that has brought up a constellation of girls. Some turn it upside down and assert that one can just shout at a kid and she will start jumping quads. If it were that simple everyone would jump quads but so far only Tutberidze school can do them.

This school has outstanding professionals: Sergey Dudakov, David Gleikhengauz, and Eteri herself. Even their technique is now used by others do that the kids can jump like in Tutberidze's group. Let's support them.

Well said by Ilya. Very fair and reosonable.

 

[DeeDee18]

Probably, and FFKKR declared it the final proof of readiness/moment of qualification to certain important events.

There is bound to be great disappointment in some skaters finding they are redundant, despite their efforts.

Who are you referring to? It's quite rude to call other skaters, whomever they are, "redundant". They are all real people putting in effort into skating and trying their best... the federation gives everyone chances and opportunities to redeem themselves.

 

[SkateSkates]

Will the 3A also participate in the cup final? I know they did last year (Alena in Seniors and Sasha/Anna in Juniors) but I wonder if they will again this year - only a month until junior worlds.

Speaking of, has there been an official announcement of the team and alternates? I hope Ksenia gets the 1st alt spot she really deserves it.

 

[figurefan0726]

I think both Junior and Senior World teams are selected at the Russian Cup Final, so it is very likely. I know Medvedeva is competing to try and fight for that senior Worlds spot.

 

[DenissVFan]

Are there any doubts as to the junior team, though? It's not like there was an upset or something at the junior nationals.

 

[malya]

I don't think 3A will be at the Cup Final.
Maybe Alena and Sasha, but Anna would have 3 competitions in 3 weeks including travel...

 

[madison]

When I said a while ago that the key driver of attacks on Eteri is jealosy: she can do what other coaches from Russia and other countries just uncapable of doing - there were many indignant responses. Now Averbukh used the same word "jealosy". I am not against being in his company (or his being in my company

«Я понимаю эти критические стрелы, но мне кажется, что это больше некая тренерская ревность, — поделился Авербух. — Мы должны всесторонне поддерживать их и гордиться тем, что у нас в стране есть такая школа. Подчеркну, это именно школа, воспитавшая целую плеяду девушек. Некоторые переворачивают с ног на голову и утверждают, что достаточно на ребенка повысить голос и он будет прыгать четверные. Если бы все было так легко, то четверные прыгали все, но пока их делают только в группе Тутберидзе».

«В этой школе потрясающие специалисты: и Сергей Дудаков, и Даниил Глейхенгауз, и сама Этери. Даже техника, которая была у этих ребят, сейчас переносится в другие группы, чтобы ребята прыгали, как в группе Тутберидзе. Давайте их поддерживать.»

I understand the critique but I think it's more like coach jealosy - says Averbukh. We should fully support them and be proud of having such a school. This is namely the school that has brought up a constellation of girls. Some turn it upside down and assert that one can just shout at a kid and she will start jumping quads. If it were that simple everyone would jump quads but so far only Tutberidze school can do them.

This school has outstanding professionals: Sergey Dudakov, David Gleikhengauz, and Eteri herself. Even their technique is now used by others do that the kids can jump like in Tutberidze's group. Let's support them.

It is not jealousy. I am not involved in figure skating( just occasianally watch it), but i can see that that school has some issues. They dont have any adult skaters, except Moris and their skaters as soon as enter the puberty collapse. I havent seen any other coach behaving as Eteri with the skaters. And getting the results is not an excuse for that behaviour. There are other accomplished coaches, such as Mishin, Moskvina, Marie France, Orser, just to name a few, that got the results and didnt act as Eteri. Especially because she works mainly with kids, she and her team should pay much more attention to how they handle the mental part of the training, otherwise they can leave the athletes wih traumas. Another fact is that as soon as the skaters are not competitive, they put so much pressure on them that they have to leave. Instead of supporting them during difficult times. Because they, the coaches, know that they have other skaters to replace them with... it is a truly business.

 

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It is not jealousy. I am not involved in figure skating( just occasianally watch it), but i can see that that school has some issues. They dont have any adult skaters, except Moris and their skaters as soon as enter the puberty collapse. I havent seen any other coach behaving as Eteri with the skaters. And getting the results is not an excuse for that behaviour. There are other accomplished coaches, such as Mishin, Moskvina, Marie France, Orser, just to name a few, that got the results and didnt act as Eteri. Especially because she works mainly with kids, she and her team should pay much more attention to how they handle the mental part of the training, otherwise they can leave the athletes wih traumas. Another fact is that as soon as the skaters are not competitive, they put so much pressure on them that they have to leave. Instead of supporting them during difficult times. Because they, the coaches, know that they have other skaters to replace them with... it is a truly business.

There are no senior skaters that are competitive with Eteri's youngsters. Rika is a youngster herself. Liza could be one. But only because she has 3A. Averbukh said a simple thing: teach your student quads then come back with criticism. And as for longevity, Mishin and Orser coach how many years? We shall see if Alina overcomes puberty, if 3A stay competitive through Bejing. If no, then may be criticism is correct. If yes, then all this criticism is worth nothing.

 

[Klarnet]

It is not jealousy. I am not involved in figure skating( just occasianally watch it), but i can see that that school has some issues. They dont have any adult skaters, except Moris and their skaters as soon as enter the puberty collapse. I havent seen any other coach behaving as Eteri with the skaters. And getting the results is not an excuse for that behaviour. There are other accomplished coaches, such as Mishin, Moskvina, Marie France, Orser, just to name a few, that got the results and didnt act as Eteri. Especially because she works mainly with kids, she and her team should pay much more attention to how they handle the mental part of the training, otherwise they can leave the athletes wih traumas. Another fact is that as soon as the skaters are not competitive, they put so much pressure on them that they have to leave. Instead of supporting them during difficult times. Because they, the coaches, know that they have other skaters to replace them with... it is a truly business.

People should already make peace with the fact that Eteri works with youngsters,it is just getting old. So that's her thing and it works,and as they say "if it works don't fix it".

Yes,it is sort of business,Eteri offers her services,and if you don't like the behavior you're always free to decline these services and leave for "other accomplished coaches", like many of her former students did,what's the problem.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

If you click on Serafima’s Instagram story you can see her doing an off ice 3a. What has the world come to?

https://instagram.com/serafima_sakhanovich?utm_source=ig_profile_share&igshid=1wpqswhu3wm4y

Go Sima!!

 

[katymay]

It is not jealousy. I am not involved in figure skating( just occasianally watch it), but i can see that that school has some issues. They dont have any adult skaters, except Moris and their skaters as soon as enter the puberty collapse. I havent seen any other coach behaving as Eteri with the skaters. And getting the results is not an excuse for that behaviour. There are other accomplished coaches, such as Mishin, Moskvina, Marie France, Orser, just to name a few, that got the results and didnt act as Eteri. Especially because she works mainly with kids, she and her team should pay much more attention to how they handle the mental part of the training, otherwise they can leave the athletes wih traumas. Another fact is that as soon as the skaters are not competitive, they put so much pressure on them that they have to leave. Instead of supporting them during difficult times. Because they, the coaches, know that they have other skaters to replace them with... it is a truly business.

How much of this though, is just the nature of the sport for women? Midori Ito, Sasha Cohen, Mao Asada, Nicole Bobek, Gracie Gold and Liza had a few years where they were spectacular, and then, although they held on, the spectacular aspect of their skating (mainly the jumps) were no longer what they once were. f(I could have added at least 1/2 a dozen more of the Japanese girls) In modern jumping times I'm just not sure any woman has more than a few years of peak jumping ability. It isn't always a puberty issue (Cohen's body type barely changed, but her huge triple flips at 14 were gone by 17), it is more complicated than that. I do worry that Eteri's girls are over worked, over dieted, and over stressed (Alina). On the other hand, Yulia had a very modest jumping ability, would she have even made the Olympic team with another coach? Eteri does turn kids into champions, and for many of these kids, this is what THEY want most in the world. I think Zhenya, Alina and Yulia all achieved way more with Eteri than they ever could have without her.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I didn’t realize Tina had her own official Insta

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo3SdwqBa5v/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=iygno54evnji

 

[Scott512]

It is not jealousy. I am not involved in figure skating( just occasianally watch it), but i can see that that school has some issues. They dont have any adult skaters, except Moris and their skaters as soon as enter the puberty collapse. I havent seen any other coach behaving as Eteri with the skaters. And getting the results is not an excuse for that behaviour. There are other accomplished coaches, such as Mishin, Moskvina, Marie France, Orser, just to name a few, that got the results and didnt act as Eteri. Especially because she works mainly with kids, she and her team should pay much more attention to how they handle the mental part of the training, otherwise they can leave the athletes wih traumas. Another fact is that as soon as the skaters are not competitive, they put so much pressure on them that they have to leave. Instead of supporting them during difficult times. Because they, the coaches, know that they have other skaters to replace them with... it is a truly business.

Maybe envy more than jealousy. But Averbukh said its coach jealousy so....he would know more than most.