2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[hippomoomin]

I have a feeling that quad jumps are higher and the vertical speed upon impact will be higher; at the same time, the somewhat horizontal speed from rotation will cancel part of the vertical speed out, and in the end, there isn't much of a difference from a triple fall.

Yes, you are right. The speed of rotation also adds on to the impact, the height however as well, I mean look at Sasha's height on her Quads, she could fly to the moon with that power LOL

 

[Lachinka]

Has anyone thought about the scenario all three worlds spot contenders perform extraordinaly well (not very likely, tho) or at least Zhenya and Liza? Do you think there's still a possibility that both girls will be chosen over Sonya? Sonya has proven shes rock solid, but I have a feeling Liza's 3A and Med's reputation are worth more (to some people, not including me) than Sofia's reliable skating.

Also Im a bit worried for Alina on WC because of ghost memories from Milano. I hope she lets go of that skate and medals, since WC medal is the only one missing on her shelf.

I just wish for the girls competing at RCF to all do well.

 

[lzxnl]

I have a feeling that quad jumps are higher and the vertical speed upon impact will be higher; at the same time, the somewhat horizontal speed from rotation will cancel part of the vertical speed out, and in the end, there isn't much of a difference from a triple fall.

If you want to analyse the motion of a skater in the air, you have to decompose their motion into three parts: translational motion of the centre of mass horizontally and vertically, and rotation about the rotation axis (I'm assuming the rotation axis itself isn't changing, otherwise we have more pressing concerns to deal with).

For jumps, the horizontal translational motion doesn't actually affect the force upon landing that much, because the ice is slippery, so a decent landing will lose little speed. Thus, we only need to consider the other two. Quads necessarily rotate faster, and to be able to stick a landing, you have to kill the rotational speed instantly, so faster rotation means more force on the legs is needed. The vertical velocity depends on the height; if you jump higher (and not all quads are higher than the corresponding triples), then of course you'll hit the ground harder. However, the difference in height between a quad and a triple usually isn't that great, whereas the rotational velocity increases dramatically.

So, overall, yes, quads will hurt more than triples, but this is mostly due to increased rotation and not increased height.

 

[Vandevska]

Reading the physics analyses of jumps was really interesting, so thank you guys for that ^_^

 

[thexfireball]

Has anyone thought about the scenario all three worlds spot contenders perform extraordinaly well (not very likely, tho) or at least Zhenya and Liza? Do you think there's still a possibility that both girls will be chosen over Sonya? Sonya has proven shes rock solid, but I have a feeling Liza's 3A and Med's reputation are worth more (to some people, not including me) than Sofia's reliable skating.

Also Im a bit worried for Alina on WC because of ghost memories from Milano. I hope she lets go of that skate and medals, since WC medal is the only one missing on her shelf.

I just wish for the girls competing at RCF to all do well.

I believe Sofia’s spot is secured as the reigning European Champion. Liza’s 3A and Med’s reputation can be advantages but those are what-ifs. Sofia is a safe bet, especially if looking to keep 3 spots, and her scores are rising. I don’t see how Alina and Sofia won’t be sent to worlds.

 

[Arbitrary]

Zagitova & Samodurova both are the primary members of the WC-19 team. They both excused from the currently run Cup Final.
The third spot is to be decided after tomorrow. It will be like "bulldog fight under a rug" (see the Sir Winston Churchill's memoir).

OK, sure all those mathematics are based on the fact all of them are intact before the WC. Any trauma, sickness etc. = dismissed.

 

[Giltedge]

In case anyone is looking for a summary of times...

Cup of Russia Finals

Junior ladies FS practice 08h55 Thursday
Senior ladies SP practice 11h25 Thursday
Senior ladies FS practice 09h10 Friday

Junior ladies short programme
Wednesday 20[SUP]th[/SUP] February 19h30 – 21h00 MSK (GMT +3)

Junior ladies free skate programme
Thursday 21[SUP]st[/SUP] February 15h00 – 16h45 MSK (GMT +3)

Senior ladies short programme
Thursday 21[SUP]st[/SUP] February 19h00 – 20h45 MSK (GMT +3)

Senior ladies free skate programme
Friday 22[SUP]nd[/SUP] February 14h00 – 15h45 MSK (GMT +3)

 

[Giltedge]

Junior Ladies SP starting order

gp 1
Viktoriia Safonova
Mariya Smirnova
Nikol Vaitkus
Darya Usachёva
Mariya Pavlova

gp2
Anastasiya Shabotova
Eva Kobzar
Anastasiia Kostyuk
Maya Khromykh
Anna Frolova

 

[Giltedge]

Senior Ladies SP starting order

gp1
Anastasiia Gulyakova
Alёna Leonova
Mariya Talalaikina
Evgeniia Medvedeva
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
Elizaveta Nugumanova

gp2
Viktoriia Vasilieva
Stanislava Konstantinova
Anna Tarusina
Anastasiia Gubanova
Serafima Sakhanovich
Anastasiya Grachёva

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

The concerning thing about Trusova's quad falls is that they are awkward, reminiscent of Anna P. who I feel we can say her technique in falling is what has caused her back issues that has probably ended competitive career (at least if she stays in Russia).

But Anna was really inconsistent, and had a lot of really bad skates. Sasha sometimes has terrible falls, but most of the time she falls in the safest way. The worst falls were all from last season (JGP Belarus and Russian Cup Final), so clearly she’s improving.

 

[DeeDee18]

But Anna was really inconsistent, and had a lot of really bad skates. Sasha sometimes has terrible falls, but most of the time she falls in the safest way. The worst falls were all from last season (JGP Belarus and Russian Cup Final), so clearly she’s improving.

well we don't know what her training sessions are like, and how many falls we don't see

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Doesn't the World Team have to be submitted by February 25th? How could Liza's Universade performance be taken into account if it's after the deadline?

I think the person going to Universiade will be first alternate to Worlds and if they perform well at Universiade, then someone will be pulled from Worlds. Just my opinion though

 

[tempo]

Russian Cup Final, junior ladies, short program, live stream (35 minutes countdown):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baJEI7vcv7s

 

[amc987]

So whoever wins this Russian Cup final gets the 3rd Worlds spot? Or is the decision about whom to send still completely at the discretion of the Federation?

I think that Tuktamysheva should get the spot based on her performances this year, but I guess I wouldn't be upset if Medvedeva skates well and takes it.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

....Sasha sometimes has terrible falls, but most of the time she falls in the safest way. The worst falls were all from last season (JGP Belarus and Russian Cup Final), so clearly she’s improving.

I have been saying this for some time now. Her falls have been much more controlled and less scary this year. I think she is much more comfortable with the rotation and has built up a good amount of muscle memory. I mean nothing in this sport has a guarantee and it’s certainly a very risky to jump quads but I feel like Sasha and her team have worked very hard to minimize the risk as much as possible.

I’m very curious and excited to see where her path leads.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

So whoever wins this Russian Cup final gets the 3rd Worlds spot? Or is the decision about whom to send still completely at the discretion of the Federation?

I think that Tuktamysheva should get the spot based on her performances this year, but I guess I wouldn't be upset if Medvedeva skates well and takes it.

I’m saying a little prayer for Gubanova to blow everyone away here :ddevil: She deserves a break as much as anyone too. I’m a little biased for her but I think I’d have as much faith in her as I would anyone else so why not? Go for it Nastya!! This year’s programs aren’t my favorite from her but she’s really grown with them and gets the most out of them that she can and then some.

 

[andromache]

So whoever wins this Russian Cup final gets the 3rd Worlds spot? Or is the decision about whom to send still completely at the discretion of the Federation?

I think that Tuktamysheva should get the spot based on her performances this year, but I guess I wouldn't be upset if Medvedeva skates well and takes it.

I assume the federation is keeping allllllllll of their options open. Including booting Sofia or Alina from the team if they feel so inclined (though neither lady should be booted, period).

I agree that Liza deserves the spot based on her fall season, but if she hasn't proven that she has regained form or momentum after her illness, it's understandable why the federation would want to send Zhenya or Stasya instead.

I think it's possible that Sofia or even Alina's spot will be in trouble if both Zhenya and Liza skate like World medal contenders. Or Stasya. She has a lower international score ceiling than Zhenya/Liza, but the fed likes her.

(IMO, Sofia, Alina, and whoever wins Russian Cup Final should be the team. But since Sofia and Alina haven't been named to the team, I don't think their spots are totally safe.)

 

[SkateSkates]

Maya was great today! I’m glad she was able to compete here after not qualifying for nationals. Hopefully she is in the running for JGP spots next season. Although she gets less attention than the other girls and is still a little raw, I think she has great future potential.

 

[Stlcomet]

Senior Ladies SP starting order

gp1
Anastasiia Gulyakova
Alёna Leonova
Mariya Talalaikina
Evgeniia Medvedeva
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
Elizaveta Nugumanova

gp2
Viktoriia Vasilieva
Stanislava Konstantinova
Anna Tarusina
Anastasiia Gubanova
Serafima Sakhanovich
Anastasiya Grachёva

Ooooo they even have Zhenya and Liza skating back to back in the short! Them Russians love their drama (me too!)

Thank you for posting this!

Would you rather go first and be Zhenya? Either be the set up for Liza or having the potential of bringing the house down and making Liza see it and then skate? Or be Liza and have an idea of how Zhenya did knowing you're going to be immediately compared and, of the 2 skaters, be the last one in the judges memory?

 

[Edwin]

Maya was great today! I’m glad she was able to compete here after not qualifying for nationals. Hopefully she is in the running for JGP spots next season. Although she gets less attention than the other girls and is still a little raw, I think she has great future potential.

Is it me alone thinking the Khrustalniy girls stand out most in artistry from all the other skaters? They all move so elegant, fluent, organic even.

What are the selection criteria to be admitted to the top group directly coached by Tutberidze, Dudakov and Gleikhengauz I wonder?

According to the FFKKR list of trainers, Tutberidze is listed as trainer to about 30 skaters, which I presume is the max a single person can comfortably administer. Even then, individual quality time and one-on-ones are limited, so I presume she and her top staff only work with about a dozen skaters daily. Even then still, an eight hours working day is hardly sufficient to see and work with every skater for 2 half hour sessions.

Nice to see some good trainer-skater interaction before and after the skate in RCF with the KMC girls.
A gentle holding of hands, a fist butt, a pat on the bum, and off you go girl, skate well!
Cold shouldering a skater that fell or didn't meet expectations is cruel with kids still this young, a trainer should always be emphatic and supportive and not emotionally abusive.

 

[melgirl25]

Ooooo they even have Zhenya and Liza skating back to back in the short! Them Russians love their drama (me too!)

Thank you for posting this!

Would you rather go first and be Zhenya? Either be the set up for Liza or having the potential of bringing the house down and making Liza see it and then skate? Or be Liza and have an idea of how Zhenya did knowing you're going to be immediately compared and, of the 2 skaters, be the last one in the judges memory?

With the problems she has been having with the short, I am glad she is going first. She went last at Nationals and IdF and it was not good. Maybe these things make a difference, maybe not.