That is exactly what I‘m hoping!
2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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That is exactly what I‘m hoping!
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If RusFed is going to play games instead of naming a team, I won't feel bad for them if they lose 3 spots. (Though I will feel terribly for the skaters.) The indecision CANNOT be good for the ladies - it's stressful! The team - whoever it is - needs to focus on preparing for Worlds and feeling confident in their abilities, not insecure and stressed because of politics.
IMO, there is probably quite a bit of pressure not to send two Mishin girls.
IMO, there is probably quite a bit of pressure not to send two Mishin girls.
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Well by Samodurova winning Euros she really threw them for a loop. If Zags had won there I could totally picture Samo being left home but there's no ignoring that title. Liza's GPF bronze is hard to ignore too.
To me, Medvedeva should be left at home since she didn't bring it on the GP and her presence at Worlds would be primarily based on last year and her two WCs and she'd be resting on her laurels. That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing her at Worlds again given her recent form.
Why do you say there's pressure to not send two Mishin girls? It's no issue when it's two or more Eteri girls?
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Just name the team and deal with the consequences. What they‘re doing right now is utter bs. Just tell the first alternate to prepare in case someone gets injured. That‘s why you have alternates in the first place. What they‘re doing right now is postponing the decision and making the girls anxious. They need to prepare calmly and in peace, without constantly having to deal with the “will I or won‘t I be able to go?“ question. That‘s stressful. And I really do not want Russia to lose three spots. It‘s not rusfed I‘m caring about, they would deserve it. But it‘s the girls that will suffer. And considering how many we‘ll have next year, trying to get one of those Worlds spots... it would be worst case scenario to lose a spot. So, just name the team already.
But I have a better solution:
Just send all of them.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BuRpL-WHd0d/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1mxrfncbka9ca
(Obviously not meant seriously)
But I have a better solution:
Just send all of them.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BuRpL-WHd0d/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1mxrfncbka9ca
(Obviously not meant seriously)
Tuktamysheva is the sentimental favorite this year
sending Med would give another huge backlash and hate for her.
Sofia is the anchor to keep 3 spots, Tuk can potentially Medal same as Zagitova but she can have another worlds moment.
The chances of Tuk medaling are higher than Zagitova, so why would Med be there anyways ? she hasn't had a clean skate all season.
Med should conentrate for next season as
Zagitova will be disposable and will useless next season.
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Agree that RusFed would love to leave Sofia off the team - but she won Euros and more than earned her spot (along with her great consistency throughout the season).
I agree that Zhenya should be left at home. She doesn't deserve it based on her results this season. Sofia, Liza, and Alina do.
I get the impression that Mishin has little political sway in the federation when compared to CSKA and Eteri's group. Eteri's skaters has an incredible amount of depth and talent - sending 2 or 3 of them is expected (look at the juniors). Sending two Mishin girls is much less expected. There's no CSKA girl in contention for a spot, but Zhenya is probably honorary CSKA, politically speaking, given her closeness with TAT.
I'm really just speculating though.
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In light of today's news, that poll wasn't that unrealistic...
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If Russia isn't careful they will have no one if they miss deadlines.
That being said they could name the team and hopefully legitimately sub if is necessary. Liza is still getting over pneumonia; Alina has had medical issues. If it gets worse or whatever they can sub in Zhenya.
That being said they could name the team and hopefully legitimately sub if is necessary. Liza is still getting over pneumonia; Alina has had medical issues. If it gets worse or whatever they can sub in Zhenya.
We all know skaters go to CSKA because of more resources and judging bias at domestic competitions. Just remove those advantages and you'll see less skaters willing to move there. I don't understand the premise of keeping all these advantages to a team even when it doesn't bring good results. (and let's be frank here, i don't remember a World or even European champion coming from that group in a looong time)
Exactly, and i've to say this is not new: it was the same with Pogorilaya every year, they always wanted to put someone else over her even when she deserved that spot.
You're probably right, i think someone in the Fed doesn't like that Mishin has top skaters, and they want to bring someone down: they expected to leave Samodurova out but now she is the European Champion and considering the season she's having and the fact that the Olympic Champion has bombed 2 FP in a row, it would be quite the suicidial move. If that leads to terrible performances at World i'd say that's totally RusFed fault because that's not how you manage a group, you have to give time to the athlete to prepare for the most important event of the season.
There was pressure on bringing Eteri's skaters down in the past too, but now her skaters achieved soo much, that group is present and future of Ladies figure skating in Russia, she's basically a superstar there, they can't do it anymore.
still the safest is Sofia, Liza and Alina
Med as alternate. just get it done already....
Maybe the problem is also that Rusfed told Med‘s team that she would still have a chance since she and Liza have to face at Russian Cup Final and well Med won ( with a point difference or so but still won)
With that said, Alina Sofia & Liza is the way to go!
With that said, Alina Sofia & Liza is the way to go!
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Here's an idea. Increase the maximum Worlds spots that can be earned per country to 4-5. All Worlds skaters will be included for the short program. Already there is a cut off to the free skate so to not make competitions longer, cut down the quota of skaters that will make it to the second day free skate. Thus these skaters will be the top to see and also make the last day of competition stronger.
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Wow, I love the Russian drama! Never disappoints.
But this is really bad... Why are they being so indecisive?
To me this is a total no brainer. Doesn’t Russia like winners and consistent skaters? Then Sofia is top choice, she earned that spot, no question about it. Zagitova is Olympic Champion and has good SB and the potential to win big at WC. So, give her a spot. Third should go to Elizaveta. Pneumonia aside, she had a pretty good season and can score well with her 3As. Of course if she doesn’t do well and Zagitova melts down, then Russia will probably not have 3 spots next season. But I think RusFed are trying to have too much control over something that you just cannot control. You can’t predict the future, better to accept the probability Russia will only have two spots next season(one would require a massive splat all around I think).
Evgenia shouldn’t be in the conversation. It’s a sentimental choice, not a rational one. She doesn’t have big PCS cushion anymore, she has the flutz, the inconsistent combos, the inconsistent 2As, the URs... And the biggest problem would be if she goes to WC and splats, that would be another huge blow on her confidence, when she was just getting back to her normal self. This girl already “suffered” enough, I think she should be in Canada preparing for next season. Of course, if you have her as an alternate than it’s a different story, at least she won’t be “taking the spot” of someone who could’ve placed better, theoretically.
I also don’t see what’s the problem with having two Mishin skaters. Mishin is a legendary coach, shouldn’t he have some respect and reputation? More so than Eteri even? Eteri has amazing Ladies but unfortunately currently most of them are Juniors.
But this is really bad... Why are they being so indecisive?
To me this is a total no brainer. Doesn’t Russia like winners and consistent skaters? Then Sofia is top choice, she earned that spot, no question about it. Zagitova is Olympic Champion and has good SB and the potential to win big at WC. So, give her a spot. Third should go to Elizaveta. Pneumonia aside, she had a pretty good season and can score well with her 3As. Of course if she doesn’t do well and Zagitova melts down, then Russia will probably not have 3 spots next season. But I think RusFed are trying to have too much control over something that you just cannot control. You can’t predict the future, better to accept the probability Russia will only have two spots next season(one would require a massive splat all around I think).
Evgenia shouldn’t be in the conversation. It’s a sentimental choice, not a rational one. She doesn’t have big PCS cushion anymore, she has the flutz, the inconsistent combos, the inconsistent 2As, the URs... And the biggest problem would be if she goes to WC and splats, that would be another huge blow on her confidence, when she was just getting back to her normal self. This girl already “suffered” enough, I think she should be in Canada preparing for next season. Of course, if you have her as an alternate than it’s a different story, at least she won’t be “taking the spot” of someone who could’ve placed better, theoretically.
I also don’t see what’s the problem with having two Mishin skaters. Mishin is a legendary coach, shouldn’t he have some respect and reputation? More so than Eteri even? Eteri has amazing Ladies but unfortunately currently most of them are Juniors.
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Rusfed handed in the same roster as for the Euros 
https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...sostav-esche-mogut-vnesti-izmeneniya-1516545/
(meaning of course, it's definitely not the final roster. Well... played?)
https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...sostav-esche-mogut-vnesti-izmeneniya-1516545/
(meaning of course, it's definitely not the final roster. Well... played?)
https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...sostav-esche-mogut-vnesti-izmeneniya-1516545/
Ladies: Konstantinova, Zagitiva, Samodurova (in Russian ABC).
+ Medvedeva, Tuktamisheva
Men: Kovtun, Kolyada, Samarin
+ Lazukin, Aliev, Voronov
Pairs: Tarasova-Morozov, Zabiyako-Enbert, Boykova-Kozlovsky
+ two more
Dances: Sinitzina-Katzalapov, Stepanova-Bukin, Evdokimova-Bazin
+ three more pairs
Ladies: Konstantinova, Zagitiva, Samodurova (in Russian ABC).
+ Medvedeva, Tuktamisheva
Men: Kovtun, Kolyada, Samarin
+ Lazukin, Aliev, Voronov
Pairs: Tarasova-Morozov, Zabiyako-Enbert, Boykova-Kozlovsky
+ two more
Dances: Sinitzina-Katzalapov, Stepanova-Bukin, Evdokimova-Bazin
+ three more pairs
Drama.
Sofia is the most consistent, but the one with the lowest scoring potential.
Alina ist the most inconsistent, but the one with the highest scoring potential.
Liza is the one with the biggest gap between TES and PCS. If she pops the 3A, game over. If she lands it, she will be in the Top 5, maybe Bronze if others make mistakes.
Zhenya is a wildcard. If clean, she will receive much love from judges and TES = PCS, but you never know. At the Russian Cup she was obviously overscored and missed her main element in the free.
If I was the Russian fed I would name the most consistent who will guarantee a top 6 placement (=Sofia) and then the two with the highest scoring potentials (= Alina, Zhenya). And of course this is not fair, but I would want three spots for next year when things get even more interesting.
Sofia is the most consistent, but the one with the lowest scoring potential.
Alina ist the most inconsistent, but the one with the highest scoring potential.
Liza is the one with the biggest gap between TES and PCS. If she pops the 3A, game over. If she lands it, she will be in the Top 5, maybe Bronze if others make mistakes.
Zhenya is a wildcard. If clean, she will receive much love from judges and TES = PCS, but you never know. At the Russian Cup she was obviously overscored and missed her main element in the free.
If I was the Russian fed I would name the most consistent who will guarantee a top 6 placement (=Sofia) and then the two with the highest scoring potentials (= Alina, Zhenya). And of course this is not fair, but I would want three spots for next year when things get even more interesting.
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