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at least it seems these are just internet trolls and cowards because at the actual competitions in Russia the crowd seems absolutely supportive, they LOVE Evgenia! :pray:

Zhenya still has a lot of supporters in Russia, don't worry!!

The problem is many bad sheep are lead by that blogger that got called out. And she got called out rightly.

Now because of such people apear again and again the hate is getting worse and worse.

Zhenya fans feel defensive of their own and the overwhelming public of Alina/Injustice.

This is all some dumb perpitum mobile.

And international people believe rumour because it fits some narrative and make it about evil Et*ri (who has nothing to do with it... in fact, what does she do to protect Alina? I really hope they care) and how russians dislike other countries or something.

I was not invested in this Alina Eteri Zhenya drama but now I'm seriously facepalming because it's a problem made out of nothing if people actually talked and noticed what is happening.
 
Wait.. what are you saying? What's an international Zhenya and what people is international Zhenya supposed to stop?

Oh I meant International Zhenya fan could maybe call out the black sheep in Russia from these 'Zhenya fans' or whatever so that the constant misinformation might stop and people in Russia see: Zhenya = good, not only this bs connected with her :( eally after the Cup Final the public outcry about it has gotten heavier and heavier.

I JUST really dislike this disgusting 'fanwar' that is getting worse and worse

It's just an idea I had because people are a lot saner here internationally. You don't have to do anything and can think what you want :)
 
I don’t hate Eteri. Google translate doesn’t really show the nuance imo.

Translations can be fake so it's hard.

You know what I read and see, so you might accuse someone like me translation accordingly.

Like some other people are apparently trying to spread the narrative that Zhenya is disliked because of some toxic nationality or defense of Et*ri.
 
@malya https://curiouscat.me/AnnaWatson/post/798558804
About that ig blogger.

Dumb fanwar - > let's hit the skaters. If this nonsense against Alina doesn't stop anytime soon I'm sure there will be some people that think it's great to retaliate like this vs Zhenya.

It´s already happening, if you are often on sports.ru than you are certainly aware that nonsense and hatred is spread against Zhenya since the Olympics.
 
I really think stasya will skate at worlds it’s like Rusfed wants to give both Alina and Stasya a chance to redeem themselves from their disastrous worlds last year. They can’t pull out Sofia who is the reigning european champion and zhenia and Liza will be at WTT
 
The truth is that many people are just using Alina's and Zhenya's names for some kind of 'virtual self-promotion' and their motivation to be involved in those topics is not about Alina and Zhenya at all. I hope people who are reading those things (as any other kind of media news) are aware of that.
 
Translations can be fake so it's hard.

You know what I read and see, so you might accuse someone like me translation accordingly.

Like some other people are apparently trying to spread the narrative that Zhenya is disliked because of some toxic nationality or defense of Et*ri.

What I don't like is the attempts to boil down the anti-Zhenya sentiment in Russia to her "betraying Russia". That's the reason that has not shown up for quite a while (with the exemption of some die-hard h*ers) so that I would urge to stop spreading it here.

The main 3 points that stir the negative fuzz are:

1. Zhenya's changing the narrative. Today she says: "Stop it, we continue to work with my coach". Tomorrow she goes to Orser. Today she says: "I think that Liza is better equipped for the coming WC". Tomorrow she says: "If I am chosen for WC, I shall do my best".

2. Zhenya's potential running for WC spot at the expense of Liza despite the weak season and because of strong support from some influential people.

3. Zhenya's aggressive support groups who keep attacking Alina with her doing nothing about it.

For the record, I personally do not engage into all of this. I don't write on Russian sites and I will be happy whoever of Liza or Zhenya go to Saitama.
 
@malya https://curiouscat.me/AnnaWatson/post/798558804
About that ig blogger.



It´s already happening if you are often on sports.ru than you are certainly aware that nonsense and hatred is spread against Zhenya since the Olympics.

I am not part of any fanwar and I dont want to take part in anything.
I was just very very surprised by the different narrative and if you read my post completely you would see that I am afraid it will retelliate against that Zhenya worse because more people are against her.
It might become physical as against Alina and really really needs to stop.

If you see that as an attack against Zhenya you are wrong.

If you want to believe people that have a narrative please do. I will not read what people write on the Internet in every social media because I did that enough yesterday. Read what is on the main newspages, even with google translator because at this point you cannot trust my translations either because I can make it my narrative. I was just explaining why so many people are mad and everything, I mean everything in Russia is always down to Alina vs Zhenya stolen (?) gold.

It was a try, the fake narrative fits better.

I don't normally look at Sports.ru, but did this morning and found the outrage about this blogger and the many people disgusted by videos/screenshots. Hate is there for everybody, but bodily harm and stalking to point a minor is afraid must be called out and stoppen even if she is part of the right fangroup and has many followers.

If you don't think so or believe some 'translations' then continiue. It was only a try.

But the problem is somewhere else completely (that is fixable!!) and not about coaches from another country.
 
What I don't like is the attempts to boil down the anti-Zhenya sentiment in Russia to her "betraying Russia". That's the reason that has not shown up for quite a while (with the exemption of some die-hard h*ers) so that I would urge to stop spreading it here.

I think the problem is also people from Russia that support Et*ri / Alina here can be pretty radical and dismissive of other skaters. I know we see this from many people but mainly from those who support Et*ri.

Now I maybe know why you are like this because any narrative that doesn't fit the mainstream 'russians hate canada' 'Eteri evil' get's shut down as an attack when it is just an explaination.

This standoff I see in Et*ri vs non Et*ri and Russians vs non russians and the violence devellopping is really disurbing.

For the record its

Pro Alina Russians vs Anti Alina Russians (really toxic 'fans' including influencial people) and international skating fans.

I thought maybe some internatial skating/Zhenya fans might not know what is actually going on in russia
 
What I don't like is the attempts to boil down the anti-Zhenya sentiment in Russia to her "betraying Russia". That's the reason that has not shown up for quite a while (with the exemption of some die-hard h*ers) so that I would urge to stop spreading it here.

The main 3 points that stir the negative fuzz are:

1. Zhenya's changing the narrative. Today she says: "Stop it, we continue to work with my coach". Tomorrow she goes to Orser. Today she says: "I think that Liza is better equipped for the coming WC". Tomorrow she says: "If I am chosen for WC, I shall do my best".

2. Zhenya's potential running for WC spot at the expense of Liza despite the weak season and because of strong support from some influential people.

3. Zhenya's aggressive support groups who keep attacking Alina with her doing nothing about it.

For the record, I personally do not engage into all of this. I don't write on Russian sites and I will be happy whoever of Liza or Zhenya go to Saitama.

About the three main points:

1. In general: Opinions change. Yours do, mine do, and yes, even Zhenya’s do. And in all honesty, the only examples I got from people for “Zhenya changing the narrative“ were along the lines of her coaching change plus having different arguments about why she did it and her having different idols. Which is, if you think about it, completely normal but people don‘t seem to get that. I‘m sure that if you asked me certain things and compared the answers to the ones I‘d given a year, or sometimes even less time, months, weeks, ago, they would be different. Because that‘s what happens. So, Zhenya having a change of mind about the coaching change or other things is, in fact, a totally normal thing. And actually, this is so far gone now and all parties seemed to have moved on. For people to still talk about this so extensively and use it as a reason to spread hate is, frankly, beyond ridiculous.

Also, I do not even get what the second argument is supposed to mean or how it‘s changing the narrative in any way. ”Liza is better equipped to go to Worlds“ and “However, if I get chosen, I will do my best and aim to win“ do not contradict each other in any way. What people need to understand is that none of this is Zhenya‘s decision. She is a competitor, of course she wants to go. She would be silly if she willingly let go the opportunity if presented.

2. Actually, that‘s not only about support from influential people, even if that‘s certainly a part of it. Let‘s not deny Zhenya has support from TAT and co. But in the end, what rusfed wants are the three spots and medals. They should make tactic choices and take those girls with them that are the best bests to get them that. That‘s why, even though it might seem unfair: Zhenya is considered. Because she has a significant PCS advantage over Liza. If Liza doesn‘t land the 3A, it‘s game over. Whereas Zhenya does have her reputation and seems to be on an upward trajectory. And she did win Russian Cup Final which by RusFed‘s own words was a official part of choosing the Worlds team. So, what could people blame Zhenya for, exactly? For participating in the first place? For winning? Well, let‘s not discuss scoring but again, even if she was overscored (imo, all three of the Worlds ladies were) none of this is her fault. It‘s quite senseless to hate on people for something they can‘t do anything against.

3. Objectively speaking, both girls have these crazy fan groups. Something like this always happens. But I fiercely disagree with the: “and her doing nothing about it“ part. Seriously? It‘s better she stays out of that drama, altogether. Why should she, or Alina or anyone for that matter, have to lecture their fan groups, especially if they‘re so hateful. That‘s not the girls‘ responsibility! And for the record, Zhenya has spoken more than once in interviews about her relationship to Alina pre and post Olympics and made it very clear that from her side, there was never a fight between them. And that she thought that the judging was fair. What else is she supposed to do?

Just so that it’s clear: I‘m not aiming this at you, as you‘ve said, you don‘t engage in Russian sites. But the arguments being used by those people are senseless and I wish some of these hater.s used a bit more of common sense. It‘s quite ridiculous but also incredibly shocking what‘s being written about all of these girls. Neither Alina nor Zhenya deserve to be dragged into this fanwar. And neither of them deserves any hate because what they’ve done and continue to do everyday is nothing but admirable. They should be left alone.
 
Oh please let's not pretend that the figure skating fans aren't already mocking and bashing Stanislava. After making the mistake to go on twitter and another site, I now think that foreign fans are worse than the russians.

Well, I am a foreign fan of Russian skaters. I have so far avoided the mistake of going on Twitter or another site.

What I have seen is a spate of posts to the effect, "how dare the Russian Federation mention Konstantinova's name?! She is no good, she never won anything, blah blah." I think the Federation could have handled the announcement better.
 
Well, I am a foreign fan of Russian skaters. I have so far avoided the mistake of going on Twitter or another site.

What I have seen is a spate of posts to the effect, "how dare the Russian Federation mention Konstantinova's name?! She is no good, she never won anything, blah blah." I think the Federation could have handled the announcement better.

I feel quite sorry for Stanislava, actually. While I have no doubt that she shouldn‘t go to Worlds, I also don‘t think she deserves to be put on the list only to be withdrawn later. This must hurt. And this is still, after all, the official list they have submitted, even if they plan to change it later. So, yes, I definitely agree. They could have handled the situation better.
 
I feel quite sorry for Stanislava, actually. While I have no doubt that she shouldn‘t go to Worlds, I also don‘t think she deserves to be put on the list only to be withdrawn later. This must hurt. And this is still, after all, the official list they have submitted, even if they plan to change it later. So, yes, I definitely agree. They could have handled the situation better.

Yes, another reason why the fed's "strategy" is so awful. In all likelyhood, she's not going to Worlds, but now she's also getting the heat for fed's indecisiveness for no good reason whatsoever. She went to the Cup mainly to regain some confidence after Euros. And not only did the competition itself not go all too well, she also has to deal with this mud.


I have to admit, that I do not know what exactly is going on there as I‘m a foreign fans of these girls. But what I can say with certainty:

In such “fan“wars, there‘s never just black and white. There are bad people on both of what they call these opposite ”sides“. But in the end, whatever happens, it is 100% against the skaters involved. It‘s against Zhenya as it is against Alina. Because both girls are being used as pawns or, if you will, symbols, by people who want nothing more than some cheap, terrible self-promotion. And neither Zhenya nor Alina deserve this nor can they do anything against it. So, I strongly hope that both of them are being protected by their coaches and families. This is a mess and they should both stay away as far from it as possible. And I hope that if it goes too far, someone will step in.

And I'd love to pin this post somewhere... because ain't that the sad truth.
 
I feel quite sorry for Stanislava, actually. While I have no doubt that she shouldn‘t go to Worlds, I also don‘t think she deserves to be put on the list only to be withdrawn later. This must hurt. And this is still, after all, the official list they have submitted, even if they plan to change it later. So, yes, I definitely agree. They could have handled the situation better.

Look, people have been saying bad things about Stanislava for more than two years. Some users were convinced she is the daughter of an oligarch that's way she is rusfed favourite. It's nothing new for the poor girl. I've read so many bad things about her....:palmf:

There are probably lots of reasons to blame rusfed for, but I really think they were trying to be fair to every girl in this case. If Liza didn't get sick before Rus Nat, the WC team could have been named a long time ago. Rusfed knows there are small chances for liza and evgenia to attend next year WC with kostornaia and trusova becoming seniors. So they wanted to be fair/ nice to all of them and failed miserably. The WC ISU deadline, the holiday in russia after rus cup, the difficulty of making a decision led to this.
 
Rusfed knows there are small chances for liza and evgenia to attend next year WC with kostornaia and trusova becoming seniors. So they wanted to be fair/ nice to all of them and failed miserably.
Honestly I don't think they did all this to be nice to the girls, but only to ensure Russia three spots next year. There's nothing wrong with that, but I don't know if this strategy is going to work, considering the pressure it must be putting on the skaters. It could go right or it could go wrong, we'll see what happens, but I don't believe that the goal of all this is making a favour to Liza or Evgenia because they're not going to go next year (and it's fair, worrying about that it's not the Fed's job).
 
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