Seems like a "bad translation". She was training with Orser all day today. From here https://www.facebook.com/TheSkatingLesson/posts/1918822181573074
2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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Seems like a "bad translation". She was training with Orser all day today. From here https://www.facebook.com/TheSkatingLesson/posts/1918822181573074
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Yikes. Well, for having the bulk of figure skating talent, you would think their 3 top representatives would have done better than 5th, 8th and 19th at the most recent Worlds.
Of course, Japan won silver and bronze. And if you add up total placements, even the US (6th, 10th, 12th) and Canada (1st, 7th, 25th) were better overall. Obviously the biggest talent pool is in Russia and the biggest potential for them lies in the next quad, but so far they haven't been as dominant as people expected them to be.
The point of a World Championships is to showcase the best in the World. Every Russian at Nationals could fare better than other countries' skaters, but those countries shouldn't get boxed out simply because they don't come from the country that is historically and currently immensely invested in figure skating, by comparison.
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CBC and Radio Canada, whhaaaaaaat? Some sort of Canadian fake news or what?
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/sports/1155488/patinage-artistique-evgenia-medvedeva-canada-russie
If it is true, I'm really need to start building an anti-drama bunker. Who is with me? Come over and bring cookies.
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/sports/1155488/patinage-artistique-evgenia-medvedeva-canada-russie
If it is true, I'm really need to start building an anti-drama bunker. Who is with me? Come over and bring cookies.
Yikes. Well, for having the bulk of figure skating talent, you would think their 3 top representatives would have done better than 5th, 8th and 19th at the most recent Worlds.
Of course, Japan won silver and bronze. And if you add up total placements, even the US (6th, 10th, 12th) and Canada (1st, 7th, 25th) were better overall.
Selective argument and cherry picking to prove nothing
You just decided to focus on a bad year for the russian ladies to justify your narrative bias.Here is another one: In the last 5 years Russia has 6 WC medals ( 3 gold, 1 silver, 2 bronze), Japan has 4 WC medals ( 1 gold, 2 silver, 1 bronze), Canada has 3 WC medals (1 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze)
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We're talking about a clean Evgenia Medvedeva who, with that same little 3S-3T combo, has scored (on a low average) 220+ total points for 3 seasons in a row prior to last fall. I'm wondering where y'all have been for the past couple of years...
No, Evgenia hasn't been skating nearly as well this season but if she were to have resurgent performances at worlds after having struggled this season, the judges would most definitely score her the way she used to be scored or at least very close to it which would likely eclipse everyone but Rika.
Liza T on the other hand has scored over 220 once in her career...at the Cup event she just completed in Russia. If you take her two highest scores from the season (76.17 - NHK, 144.67 - GPF) you get a total of 220.84. Maybe give her a point or two for being clean puts her around a max score of 223+ which Evgenia has surpassed at least a dozen times (I'm not exaggerating, look it up). Liza's jumps are amazing but her spins, steps and PCS are not in the same league as other top competitors and never have been. Plus Evgenia has a zillion more reputation points than Liza has and, as unfair as that is, it really does make a difference in this sport which relies so heavily on reputation scoring.
Do I think it's likely Evgenia will deliver two clean performances like she used to at worlds this year? No. Do I think Liza was the safer choice this year? Yes. Only time will tell if the RusFed made the right choice or not...
Balanced post. Perfectly expresses the reality of the situation.
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I keep saying we need a global international rating system in FS, like they have in tennis.
Top15/top20 goes to the main tournament. Disregarding the nationality. Low-ranking skaters can go to other tournaments and increase their ratings for invitation to bigger events. Rating rolls over to the next season. If famous skater is not getting high places or skipping tournaments he/she is losing her rating and making the way for other young upcoming athletes. Host nation can have 2 wildcards to invite skaters of their choosing: 1 wildcard for a home skater (no mater how many home skaters already qualified, host nation can have one more if they would like) , 1 wildcard for athletes from any other country. Or they can use all 2 wildcards for foreign skaters.
This would be the easiest and most prone to corruption system. And fair. This way we will get to see all the best and strongest athletes. Rating scoring should allow really talented young skater to claim ranks very fast - within the season. So, theoretically speaking girls at their 15 yo would have to work their first season for their rating (podiums and placing 1-2-3-4-5 on a lot of less important tournaments). Well, they say younger girls are capable to casually compete 4-5 time a season. OK let them compete a lot at their first year. So when they make higher ranks they can compete along the adults. Most talented young prodigy skaters will make ranks in their first year, less talented - in 2 years or so. So we will get 16-17 year-olds at WC and Olympics. And only the best, trully strong talents. No nationality factor. I hate skaters being 3-per-countried.
Top15/top20 goes to the main tournament. Disregarding the nationality. Low-ranking skaters can go to other tournaments and increase their ratings for invitation to bigger events. Rating rolls over to the next season. If famous skater is not getting high places or skipping tournaments he/she is losing her rating and making the way for other young upcoming athletes. Host nation can have 2 wildcards to invite skaters of their choosing: 1 wildcard for a home skater (no mater how many home skaters already qualified, host nation can have one more if they would like) , 1 wildcard for athletes from any other country. Or they can use all 2 wildcards for foreign skaters.
This would be the easiest and most prone to corruption system. And fair. This way we will get to see all the best and strongest athletes. Rating scoring should allow really talented young skater to claim ranks very fast - within the season. So, theoretically speaking girls at their 15 yo would have to work their first season for their rating (podiums and placing 1-2-3-4-5 on a lot of less important tournaments). Well, they say younger girls are capable to casually compete 4-5 time a season. OK let them compete a lot at their first year. So when they make higher ranks they can compete along the adults. Most talented young prodigy skaters will make ranks in their first year, less talented - in 2 years or so. So we will get 16-17 year-olds at WC and Olympics. And only the best, trully strong talents. No nationality factor. I hate skaters being 3-per-countried.
I think it's not so simple. The scoring system has changed and it affects to a balance. Evgenia was able to score a lot of +2, +3 on jumps before however now +4 and +5 are almost unreachable for her while some other skaters improve their scores.
Not to say that you don't have a point, but backloaded programs are not worth what they were for the past three seasons.
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Selective argument and cherry picking to prove nothing
Here is another one: In the last 5 years Russia has 6 WC medals ( 3 gold, 1 silver, 2 bronze), Japan has 4 WC medals ( 1 gold, 2 silver, 1 bronze), Canada has 3 WC medals (1 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze)
It was not a bad year - Zagitova was beating everyone. Medvedeva was beating everyone but Zagitova. Yes, their immediate backup in seniors was not strong but that is not the reason to say that the year was bad for Russia. I agree with you on "selective argument and cherry picking". The whole season was built around the OG whose significance eclipsed everything that year with a big margin. 5 years passed and there was a "fresh" thread on Adelina/Yuna again a couple of days ago. It was Olympic year, guys. They should cancel WC during those years in the first place and decide on quotas based on OG results.
Sending exhausted Alina after a serious cold to Milano was a desperate move to preserve 3 spots after Zhenya said that she could not make it. To build any theories based on that...
In addition to the scoring being different, UR rule is now stricter. Also she has gotten called on her lutz (was she in the past?)
Dont think we have enough evidence to say that the judges would definitely score clean Evgenia as generously as they did in the past.
Dont think we have enough evidence to say that the judges would definitely score clean Evgenia as generously as they did in the past.
The triple lutzs from this group just....float. Yes, the combos are impressive, but the 3L's solo make me wish we could do away with so many combos, I had forgotten how beautiful a solo 3L can be. And I think it was Maya actually seemed to have a second of hang time. Amazing girls, all.
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Well Zhenya, as well Satoko surprisingly didn't look 'damaged' in the judges eyes by the new UR rule. The skaters 'suffered' from that this season the most are Alina and Bradie i think
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How did kamila valieva do in the lp of the Moscow championships?
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Hasn't happened yet.
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mannnn the tea is piping hot
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Medvedeva doesn’t chronically UR, however. Some of her jumps at RCF were UR, which happens to every skater (even ones who don’t have UR issues), but she doesn’t habitually UR a given jump or routinely UR past the halfway mark, etc. I wouldn’t call myself her biggest fan but one thing I will day for Medvedeva is that she has some of the best landings of the Russian women in terms of flow and a clean running edge.
Med has received two e calls in her career — one at Nepela in 2017, and once at SCI this season. She’s received a number of warnings/!s, though.
I agree that she doesn't have a long-term history of UR jumps, the new technique she is learning is causing her to UR more than she used to. In regards to her jump landings, I think they are actually the worst of the Russian ladies. Evgenia's jumps always look like work to me. The take off and landings are so severe and always have been. Of course, it is all opinion, but I don't think Evgenia is the best Russian jumper.
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Lol. She is fine tuning her SP with Misha Ge. At TCC, in Canada.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BuX3CGCol7F/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1f3re951dt6gb
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No, her jumps have never been "easy" looking compared to other Russian ladies, nor effortless. but you have to admit, they do look better now-- Brian is teaching her to jump with her legs, not her upper body, which she did with eteri. her jumps were extremely muscled and despite being cleaner back then, the technique was wrong. she used her arms and shoulders to get the rotation, and this is probably part of the reason why she was injured last year. i can already tell her 3+3 combos and 2A look so much more easier for her.
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