2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Tolstoj]

In addition to the scoring being different, UR rule is now stricter. Also she has gotten called on her lutz (was she in the past?)

Dont think we have enough evidence to say that the judges would definitely score clean Evgenia as generously as they did in the past.

If i look at Medvedeva now i see a growing artistry, more ownership of her programs but at the same time spins that are +1 (+2/+3 for the i-spin) while in the past they were all +3 with the old system (except maybe the flying camel sometimes).

I get that she ditched the biellmann to not deal with back injuries but now the sit positions are all worse also and that is not because of injuries, that is a clear sign that she is training spins less to work on something else.

Jumps are shakier besides the axel, and the bv is just lower especially in the free program. I don't understand if it is really that much better for her doing a 2a-3t in the second half (considering how the axel is so difficult for her) as opposed to her usual 3f-3t combo which is what she used to do in her entire career.

Like how about doing 3f-3t and 3s-3lo at the start of the program and then do an easier second half?

As of now i'd give her higher components than the previous years but at the same time lower TES for all the things mentioned above.

 

[Giltedge]

For those who may desire a pleasant break tomorrow from huffing and puffing endlessly about possible WCh selections the Free Skate programme promises an exciting climax. since the top seven are so closely bunched that any one of them could turn out victorious.
Four Eteris :eeking: - Kamila, Maia, Darya, Sofya A, Davydov's two Sofyas S and M, and Panova's Anastasiia Sh

Kamila, Maia and Sofya S are all in top form, but the other four have all been doing well this season too. In any case, these are all magnificent FS programmes to thrill over.


The senior girls have been doing elements today, so that could well change the current placings.

Championships of Moscow 2019 Senior girls ("Elder Age") 24 entrants.

Thursday 28th February 14h45 to 17h45

(MSK = GMT +3, EST +8, CST -8)

What a treat

Top Seven Senior Girls ("Elder Age") in Championships of Moscow 2019 (24 entrants).


Following Elements on Wednesday, the top echelon of senior girls are even more closely bunched. Sofya Akatieva has moved up to 4th, bumping Darya and Anastasiia down one notch, and Maia and Sofya S have swapped places in 2/3.


Combined scores SP and Elements...

1 Kamila Valieva 2006 1 1 127.98 Team Tutberidze
2 Sofya Samodelkina 2007 3 2 125.38 CSKA Davydov
3 Maia Khromykh 2006 2 3 125.34 Team Tutberidze
4 Sofya Akatieva 2007 6 4 124.27 Team Tutberidze
5 Darya Usachёva 2006 4 5 123.85 Team Tutberidze
6 Anastasiia Shabotova 2006 5 6 121.55 Snowleopards Panova
7 Sofya Muravieva 2006 7 7 116.84 CSKA Davydov



Starting time - see above

 

[Ophelia]

No, her jumps have never been "easy" looking compared to other Russian ladies, nor effortless. but you have to admit, they do look better now-- Brian is teaching her to jump with her legs, not her upper body, which she did with eteri. her jumps were extremely muscled and despite being cleaner back then, the technique was wrong. she used her arms and shoulders to get the rotation, and this is probably part of the reason why she was injured last year. i can already tell her 3+3 combos and 2A look so much more easier for her.

Um...which Russian ladies are you comparing her to? While I wouldn't put Med atop the jump ranks, her jumps are loads better than Russian ladies such as Radianova, Pogo, Sostokova, Kostantinova, etc.

 

[macy]

Um...which Russian ladies are you comparing her to? While I wouldn't put Med atop the jump ranks, her jumps are loads better than Russian ladies such as Radianova, Pogo, Sostokova, Kostantinova, etc.

i'm thinking more of tuk, zagitova, and even the juniors, especially kostornaia and trusova.

 

[oly2018]

i'm thinking more of tuk, zagitova, and even the juniors, especially kostornaia and trusova.

Yeah, I have got to agree with you. If you look at who is currently competing, those girls/women, have better jumps. Although, I do think Maria S. had decent jumps, the helicopter arms were awful.

 

[lusterfan]

Part of me now wants Evgenia to win Worlds uncontroversially to prove everyone wrong. While I doubt this will happen, I do hope she at least performs cleanly. She is receiving so much hate already for RusFed's decision, and should she falter at Worlds there will be so much backlash. It's unfair to bash her right now.

 

[Orlov]

at least it seems these are just internet trolls and cowards because at the actual competitions in Russia the crowd seems absolutely supportive, they LOVE Evgenia!

Cries of fans in the stands are not equal to people's love. This screaming in the stands creates a couple of hundreds of fans who are very annoying.

 

[Ophelia]

^At least those couple of hundred fans are the ones who pay $ and are willing to put their money where their mouths are.

I was surprised to see Medvedeva receive such an enthusiastic reception at Nationals and Russian Cup, especially given the online vitriol she's been getting.

 

[doublequad]

If i look at Medvedeva now i see a growing artistry, more ownership of her programs but at the same time spins that are +1 (+2/+3 for the i-spin) while in the past they were all +3 with the old system (except maybe the flying camel sometimes).

I get that she ditched the biellmann to not deal with back injuries but now the sit positions are all worse also and that is not because of injuries, that is a clear sign that she is training spins less to work on something else.

Jumps are shakier besides the axel, and the bv is just lower especially in the free program. I don't understand if it is really that much better for her doing a 2a-3t in the second half (considering how the axel is so difficult for her) as opposed to her usual 3f-3t combo which is what she used to do in her entire career.

Like how about doing 3f-3t and 3s-3lo at the start of the program and then do an easier second half?

As of now i'd give her higher components than the previous years but at the same time lower TES for all the things mentioned above.

She has had a lot of trouble with the 3F-3T. If I remember correctly, she has butchered it at least once (SP or FS) at both Grand Prix and Rusnats. Recently it seems that the combo is getting better so maybe. I think she was trying 2A-3Lo too which didn't go so well in France.

 

[Skater Boy]

I know there are a lot of Liza fans and Evgenia. What a heartbreakign decision to send Evgenia. Liza had the better season for sure and medalled at all her GP events and made the final where she won bronze. She has fought backafter being left off the team for a few years and she has the triple axel back. She has been consistent. No real bad skates and she missed nationals due to illness.

Evgenia has had a disappointing GP with lots of struggles on her technique. her spins have been problematic as well as her confidence. She did skate at nationals and edged out Liza at The recent challenge. I am not sure what is the weighting is in Russia ie body of work versus nationals but remember Evgenia while not doing well did skate at Nationals and in many cases no nationals no worlds. She also would win for the 2017/18 body of work with the olympics and all despite injury. So it is not indefensible that Russia Fed chose Evgenia. Say you gave Liza 10 pts for body of work this year; 2 pts for body of work the year before, 0 for nationals, 8 pts for challenge; 5 pts for body of work this year; 5 pts for body of work last year; 5 pts for nationals and 10 pts for challenge. Well I can see how Evgenia could get selected - or they just did what they wanted lol.

 

[Skater Boy]

I wish Russia would do like a Thank you tour or farewell tour and highlight skates I feel we never got to say good bye though some are skating we don't or won't really see them again if we are not in russia - Leonova; Pogoloraya; Radinova; Sotnkiova, Lipnskaya; and sadly there may be more.

 

[Giltedge]

Talking about mistaking cheering for laughter or vice versa, what springs to mind is a certain statesman's famous 1963 statement before the cheering (laughing?) crowd... "Ich bin ein Berliner!" ("I am a particular variety of jam-filled doughnut")

[There are plenty of attempts to make it apocryphal, although it did happen thus.]

 

[Orlov]

Utterly devastated for Liza.

I don't know if I can even watch the Ladies competition at Worlds knowing she's at home.

The Russian Figure Skating Fed is the WORST.

I think only Russians can say that. For a foreigner to say such words and in such a tone is unethical. Imagine if I said something like "The Australian Figure Skating Fed is the WORST". I'm sure you would not like to hear that. Please respect other people's feelings. Thanks.

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

Um...which Russian ladies are you comparing her to? While I wouldn't put Med atop the jump ranks, her jumps are loads better than Russian ladies such as Radianova, Pogo, Sostokova, Kostantinova, etc.

Masha had great jumps... I don’t know what you’re talking about Good height, maybe some UR, but little PR in comparison to Zhenya.

 

[Giltedge]

[Originally Posted by lilahozi : Um...which Russian ladies are you comparing her to? While I wouldn't put Med atop the jump ranks, her jumps are loads better than Russian ladies such as Radianova, Pogo, Sostokova, Kostantinova, etc.]

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Masha had great jumps... I don’t know what you’re talking about Good height, maybe some UR, but little PR in comparison to Zhenya.

Please! Don't confuse us with facts! :dumb:

 

[Orlov]

About this whole situation. I don't care. My consolation is TShK. I need only three spots. Alina - 5th place, Sophia - 8th place, Evgenia - 11th? I'm happy.

 

[Jontor]

It’s been 17 years since Butyrskaya retired from competitive skating yet somehow she still finds ways to make me love her even more.

Yes. Put Butyrskaya in the Russian Federation now!:luv17:

 

[NoviceFan]

Masha had great jumps... I don’t know what you’re talking about Good height, maybe some UR, but little PR in comparison to Zhenya.

Please! Don't confuse us with facts! :dumb:

I love facts... but those things you are citing are NOT facts - they are opinion. Maybe valid and well-founded opinion (according to you and some), but they are not facts but opinion. Unless we have some objective measure of what is great, good, maybe some, little - and compare them objectively against your assertions, then they are just opinion.

I understand I am being ornery about this, but I just have a particular disdain for conflating facts with opinion.

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

I love facts... but those things you are citing are NOT facts - they are opinion. Maybe valid and well-founded opinion (according to you and some), but they are not facts but opinion. Unless we have some objective measure of what is great, good, maybe some, little - and compare them objectively against your assertions, then they are just opinion.

Well, I mean having the second highest loop and flip, the third lowest PR for lutz, flip and loop and a massive delay in rotation should qualify as a good jumper right? Barring the URs of course. Let's just say 2016-18 Masha was a great jumper, she's still great, but oh URs...

 

[NoviceFan]

Well, I mean having the second highest loop and flip, the third lowest PR for lutz, flip and loop and a massive delay in rotation should qualify as a good jumper right? Barring the URs of course. Let's just say 2016-18 Masha was a great jumper, she's still great, but oh URs...

I get what you are saying. I (hope) know you get what I am saying?

Also, what about rate of success of the jumps? So flawless jumps (assuming we have set an objective standard for what is a perfect jump), but only landing 50% of the time. Still best jumper?