Pairs - Short Program
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Why? I never watch pro, so boring, no technical content. Anyway, they're retiring.
I don't understand the perspective that Savchenko/Szolkowy is somehow the judges' pet. They have difficult, interesting programs both technically and artistically, and even if they don't have a really romantic connection I don't think they're mechanical at all. Their win at Euros was well-deserved, and their LP there was absolutely perfect. Besides that competition, I can't think of any place where they actually had a really high score, anyways.
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Because they are too good. Amateur skating should be reserved for amateurs.
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I agree and the only current pair that has a "romanatic" quality on the ice is Shen/Zhou so that shouldnt even be brought up unless we are talking about comparing to them.
wow
wow, Pet & T. That's painful to watch. I found judges just hate them. When the other top teams had a bad performance, they would have generally been held up a bit. But no benefit of doubt to this team. Each time when they had a bad performance, judges shoved them down to the bottom.
I really feel bad for them since I like their personality.
wow, Pet & T. That's painful to watch. I found judges just hate them. When the other top teams had a bad performance, they would have generally been held up a bit. But no benefit of doubt to this team. Each time when they had a bad performance, judges shoved them down to the bottom.
I really feel bad for them since I like their personality.
Well, their PCS was pretty high. Only the top 3 teams have higher PCS.
I don't necessarily think that they got incredibly low marks for a sloppy performance; rather, the field as a whole just skated too well to have them high up. Just wasn't their night
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says who?
dare I say Kristi Yamaguchi and Brian Boitano have been forgotten...
or Kurt Browning -though lately yes he has 'downgraded' but he's a dad and that's set his priorities differently (as it should)
a lot of skaters keep up their difficulty... but thank god they don't just jump and throw... they actually have real programs to skate to!
It's been a long time since I spewed drink on my monitor, but thanks (once again) MM - it needed dusting anyway!
says who?
dare I say Kristi Yamaguchi and Brian Boitano have been forgotten...
or Kurt Browning -though lately yes he has 'downgraded' but he's a dad and that's set his priorities differently (as it should)
a lot of skaters keep up their difficulty... but thank god they don't just jump and throw... they actually have real programs to skate to!
No. For me, I can't stand watching a so-called 'pro skaters' do 1-2 3toe in a program. I don't feel excited at all. The only 'pro skater' attracts my attention at the moment is Arakawa. She's brilliant and still does lots of tough jumps, spirals, spins.
I like Sasha, but it's painful to watch her only posturing around and doing a 2A these days.
S/S' sbs was faster, but out of syn several times, it was obvious even with out replay. just because they spinned fast doesn't mean it was better IMO. P/T had better spiral and better landing on the throw. I also think that P/T's program in general is better choreographed and executed so the PCS should have been higher. That was one of the best performance of SP.
Well, their PCS was pretty high. Only the top 3 teams have higher PCS.
I don't necessarily think that they got incredibly low marks for a sloppy performance; rather, the field as a whole just skated too well to have them high up. Just wasn't their night
Well, perhaps they were still held up in PCS, but not in GOE.
OK, just watched the pair SP. I would rank the top teams this way:
S/Z
Pang/Tong
S/S
M/B
the Japnese-Russian team, the twist, the throw landing were all flawed. still rough in almost all elements. good flexibility is not everything.
D/D skated well but they had several glitches. So I/B in front of them is not a problem for me. L/H did pretty well.
Go chinese teams! Go Canadians! Go S/S but I don't want to see them place higher than they deserve.
What a great competition to start with.
S/Z
Pang/Tong
S/S
M/B
the Japnese-Russian team, the twist, the throw landing were all flawed. still rough in almost all elements. good flexibility is not everything.
D/D skated well but they had several glitches. So I/B in front of them is not a problem for me. L/H did pretty well.
Go chinese teams! Go Canadians! Go S/S but I don't want to see them place higher than they deserve.
What a great competition to start with.
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Well I will watch the performances again later on, but at first glance I did not notice all the things you are saying. I did not feel the Germans side by side spins were at all out of sync the first time around, and I thought their throw landing was completely secure. I liked the choreography of both programs alot and similarly to each other.
S/S did spin very fast and the speed worked as a camouflage for the out of syn
. CBC didn't have replay for the spin but I'm pretty sure they were out of sync several times. I was talking to myself hey, if you can keep in sync spin faster would be a good choice. P/T were out of sync in very short moment too but it was almost not noticeable without replay but CBC had replay and the commentator didn't notice it until the replay. I actually like S/S, and I had some reservation for Pang's presentation. But this performance just won me over and P/T performed really brilliantly. S/S were good just not better than P/T IMO.
OK, I just checked by play-pause-play-pause. It turned out that my impression was right. S/S were out of sync most of the time during sit-spin positions, both before and after changing foot, in some moments they were face to face and in some back to back. and different angles in other moments
There were out of sync in standing positions too, just not as obvious. Skating to fast pace powerful music is a strategy to cover up roughness and lack of presentation in skating. In the early years, S/Z and Sluskaya all used that strategy in their career. It's a way to avaid the weakness and highlight the powerful aspect of skating. Nothing wrong with that.
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What a great event, almost all pair seem to get the job done, loved the German team, they are different and have there own style, its a bit refreshing. Was suprised that the new russian team placed so high, they have potential but I expected better from seeing the marks they recieved. Over all it was great skating!!!!
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I didn't totally agree with some of the placements, but am not outraged by anything, except perhaps with poor Langlois/ Hay who suffered from skating early by being totally buried behind teams I thought skated significantly worse than they did, notably Pet/ Tik and the Suideks. Also possibly the Zhangs, who, even without the lift problems I thought skated poorly, with NO performance quality whatsoever.
I would have placed D/D ahead of I/B on the strength of 1. no fall, 2. much harder SBS jumps, 3. a poor twist by the latter. I would also have had the other Canadians ahead of Kawaguchi and Smirnov, whom I like a lot, but who did have a couple of problems. I also thought D/D had performance quality to rival the top three teams here.
I thought overall the top three were in the correct order. This was the most I've liked a program by S/S since their debut. They have a terribly weak death spiral, and were out of synch a little on the spins, but good speed. By comparison, P/T were also noticeably off on the SBS spins. Tong looked like he was having problems with the leg extension in the SBS spins. Shen/Zhao also have a barely adequate death spiral, and I thought started to look just a tiny bit ragged by the end of their performance.
All in all it was a great competition though.
I would have placed D/D ahead of I/B on the strength of 1. no fall, 2. much harder SBS jumps, 3. a poor twist by the latter. I would also have had the other Canadians ahead of Kawaguchi and Smirnov, whom I like a lot, but who did have a couple of problems. I also thought D/D had performance quality to rival the top three teams here.
I thought overall the top three were in the correct order. This was the most I've liked a program by S/S since their debut. They have a terribly weak death spiral, and were out of synch a little on the spins, but good speed. By comparison, P/T were also noticeably off on the SBS spins. Tong looked like he was having problems with the leg extension in the SBS spins. Shen/Zhao also have a barely adequate death spiral, and I thought started to look just a tiny bit ragged by the end of their performance.
All in all it was a great competition though.
True. But that's not the only reason. They also outscored Dube and Davison on every one of the 5 component scores.
I can't understand why so many people are so angry with I/B beating D/D with a fall, when the judges thought that I/B's total package was better than D/D's in so many ways.
D/D are very good skaters. But the judges' decision seems totally justified.
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Pairs SP report, with lots of skater quotes.
http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/current/content/worlds 07p.htm
By Sandra Stevenson. :agree:
http://www.iceskatingintnl.com/current/content/worlds 07p.htm
By Sandra Stevenson. :agree:
I was actually very frustrated with the British commentary complaining non-stop about this because I DID think that I/B's program was incredibly well-constructed and probably the best SP they've ever done. Obviously the fall on the 3A was major, but they did deserve points for full rotation. I think D/D should have been slightly ahead of I/B after the short, but I don't think it was as big an issue with judging as the British commentators thought - they just kept going on and on about it as if the judges are all of a sudden very biased towards I/B when they've actually never given them much respect in the past. And in the end, D/D finished ahead of I/B after the LP, so it doesn't matter!
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