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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

Russian skaters have plenty of purely Russian competitions. Maybe you can lobby for "The great Russo-Japanese tournament" in the future.

Those are the rules.

There was time that Russia did not have many good skaters and nobody locked Russia out of the worlds to make way for American ladies that were good at the time.

Who knows? Maybe thanks to Tursy Kazachstan will develop figure skating scene that will make splash. Let them have their chance. If their other 2 ladies suck next year, they will lose these spots. NO country can get more than 3 spots anyways, so don't give yourself a stroke over it.

I'm all about excellence. Kazakhstan deserves one spot for world's next year Russia by comparison deserves five. I also believe changes need to be made whatever countries do well in the grand prix season deserve an extra spot for world's. Think out of the box Why don't you try rewarding excellence ISU?
 
It's the rules, jesus christ don't pop a vein over it

Jesus Christ the rules need to be tweaked to reward excellence! Think about itand think out of the box. Russia and Kazakhstan have six worlds spots in total. Russia has three and Kazakhstan has three that is a freaking joke. that is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen in sports. It should be five one Russia. again I don't want small countries to be eliminated or eradicated but there should be changes made to reward exceptional excellence no matter what country it comes from. the Grand Prix final next year we'll have all Russian girls mixed in with a couple Japanese girl my prediction is 5 for Russia two for Japan. But only three Russian spots for Europeans and worlds. Lol!

Congrats Lilbet and Eteri on getting three spots for Kazakhstan. SMH. Lol.
 
Ain't that the truth. Love her or hate her, Eteri is easily one of the most fascinating people in figure skating today.

Thanks to all the good people working on translations! The rest of us are in your debt.

I watched it until the english cut off. (lol). Funny that she knew that Liu was landing 4L's-which was just posted a few days ago. As far as Irina is concerned-to each his own. I prefer to see quads and 3A's-it makes the sport exciting. I'm less excited about watching skaters whose best days are behind them. Also, I don't think anyone ever forced or urged Trusova to learn quads. She loves to jump. Period. (I suspect they need to force her to work on spins and other things though). Also funny about not knowing what is going to come back from vacation.....lol. (growth spurts from a slow down in training).
I look forward to the rest, and thank you for the translation!
 
POZNER - Eteri TUTBERIDZE (01/04/2019) [Rus, Full HD]
https://youtu.be/1yO9EO2KQYY

Is it 1 / 4 or 4 / 1?

Seeing this interview made me happy in that snow April fool's joke. I only wish we had the English subtitles to go along with it.

Her greatest coaching job in her career may have been this year with the Russian / Kazakhstan girl maybe even more so than with Alina or Zhenya or Polina or Yulia. Who expected this from Lilbet and a quad? Amazing. Also congrats to eteri on helping Kazakhstan get three spots for world's next year. That blows my mind and I need a glass of wine. ;)
 
Just finished watching. With all these delicate topics about patriotism, race, personal conflicts, and peeing while someone's holding a test tube for you, I think I should take it seriously and do an entire translation by myself.

I was hoping you would skip the peeing part. :-) That was completely unnecessary, she got a bit carried away in trying to explain a situation. And now again, Alina’s water intake will be discussed, I guess...

Overall, I was disappointed by the interview. He was after sensation and controversy and was superficial, while Eteri seems deep. He left incomplete answers and moved on. And we all know about Oklahoma or the health issues of Diana, this has been discussed a lot. Commenting the silly remarks of Zhilin (was that the name?) or Rodnina was also sensational. On the orher hand, it is probably good that she had the opportunity to answer the critics.

It was a long interview and I feel that I learnt less about her than from Ted’s interview. Ted is a better listener, made her feel comfortable, so she was more open. But here she was also very honest and didn’t try to say the right things, and I admire that. The only new thing I learnt about Eteri is that she doesn’t speak Georgian and doesn’t feel Georgian, because she has grown up in Russia. If she was a “politically correct” person, she would have said 50/50, I guess.
 
I’m guessing this is related to Alina’s drug testing during game worlds. They probably have someone else hold the tube so it can’t be switched out or tampered with. I’d never be able to pee under those conditions.

yes it's certainly easier for guys to be drug tested but it's just very frustrating to know this happenef after her show program at Olympics and worlds. why can't they get her before practice like 10 minutes before and say Alina let's do drug testing now?
 
I watched it until the english cut off. (lol). Funny that she knew that Liu was landing 4L's-which was just posted a few days ago. As far as Irina is concerned-to each his own. I prefer to see quads and 3A's-it makes the sport exciting. I'm less excited about watching skaters whose best days are behind them. Also, I don't think anyone ever forced or urged Trusova to learn quads. She loves to jump. Period. (I suspect they need to force her to work on spins and other things though). Also funny about not knowing what is going to come back from vacation.....lol. (growth spurts from a slow down in training).
I look forward to the rest, and thank you for the translation!

Alysa Liu has attempted 4Lzs in competition a few months ago that is why Eteri knew about Alysa jumping the 4Lz.
 
Just finished watching. With all these delicate topics about patriotism, race, personal conflicts, and peeing while someone's holding a test tube for you, I think I should take it seriously and do an entire translation by myself.

I would be incredibly grateful for your translation.
 
Just finished watching. With all these delicate topics about patriotism, race, personal conflicts, and peeing while someone's holding a test tube for you, I think I should take it seriously and do an entire translation by myself.

Please :pray: I look now with those subtitles that is, just anger takes - so primitively translated. How can they do so unprofessional? If you can not translate well - so do not start! But if you took it - translate well! I always get angry when half throw out. For example, Pozner is an intelligent person - before talking about racial advantages, he says "I apologize in advance because I will touch on a rather sensitive topic now" And the one who makes these miserable subtitles just throws out this remark - Pozner immediately starts talking about racial advantages. And so all the time. Please Dante, translate for us!
 
How in the h*ll can Kazakhstan have as many spots for worlds as Russia does? That is a gross Injustice and the system needs to be tweaked at the very least. if Kazakhstan getting a silver medal at worlds gets them three spots Russia getting gold and bronze at Worlds should get them at leasr four spots. I mean if you take kazakhstan's top 10 female skaters and Russia's top 10 female skaters Russia would have 9 of the 10 so it's ridiculous that they both have the same amount of spots for worlds 2020.

I really think that there should be a "super-qualifier" for a 4th spot, say if two people from the same country earn a total of 5 or less. And a country that has three skaters totalling 10 or less should get 5 spots. Next year with KAZ getting three spots is not new. For years, Lu Chen was earning 3 spots and she was pretty much the entire Chinese ladies program.

What I would really like to see is in addition to the current rules for qualifying for the next Worlds, is that a 12 month ranking system like the WTA is put in place (the skating WR seems to be the past 24 months). And the top 10 world ranked skaters automatically get an invitation to Worlds. In other words, Russian can earn their 3 spots under the current rules, but any other Russian who is world ranked in the top 10 also gets to Worlds. At most, which is highly doubtful, they might have 7 more spots if the top 10 are all Russian. That won't ever happen, but all it means is if the World Ranked top 10 all go, you will only have one extra flight of skaters. That would be most fair. Hopefully I'm not being too confusing.
 
The most Eteri-like thing she said:
When you get off the podium - you're nobody. Until you prove the opposite next time.
Leonova already expressed her disagreement with this ideology, btw :laugh:
https://www.sportsdaily.ru/news/zac...-alena-leonova-ne-soglasna-s-eteri-tutberidze

Well Leonova needs to hold on to those past victories.... :P
Sure, if you take a very literal interpretation of what she's saying you can say she's wrong because obviously we do remember past competition results, but I see nothing wrong with the sentiment as a training mentality. Any decent coach in any sport will say you can't rest on past laurels and you have to work even harder to stay at the top. Especially for Eteri, there's no point in giving anyone special treatment, since all her students are good enough to beat each other any given day.
 
Overall, I was disappointed by the interview.
It was rather poor interview for a hardcore fan of figure skating, imo.

Guy like Pozner shouldn't have been trying to go after sensational or specific fs issues, because he simply doesn't have enough knowledge - he couldn't dig deeper, not to mention to pin her down on some inaccuracies, so it was instant gazing down at the notes and artificial smiling without true understanding of her messages.
He could make it great interview, if he either prepared really, really well with some solid help of some fs expert or journalist or by just holding on to general questions about life/philosophy, etc., which he did for last 10 minutes or so (another question is, if she would have wanted to speak more about those matters).

Generally, interviewing Eteri is a tough ask - the ladies fs is a delicate issue nowadays, plus she's tough and rather discreet person, additionally trying to protect her position in the sport. You would need an knowledgeable, smart and persistent sporting journalist to make it work.
 
I really think that there should be a "super-qualifier" for a 4th spot, say if two people from the same country earn a total of 5 or less. And a country that has three skaters totalling 10 or less should get 5 spots. Next year with KAZ getting three spots is not new. For years, Lu Chen was earning 3 spots and she was pretty much the entire Chinese ladies program.

What I would really like to see is in addition to the current rules for qualifying for the next Worlds, is that a 12 month ranking system like the WTA is put in place (the skating WR seems to be the past 24 months). And the top 10 world ranked skaters automatically get an invitation to Worlds. In other words, Russian can earn their 3 spots under the current rules, but any other Russian who is world ranked in the top 10 also gets to Worlds. At most, which is highly doubtful, they might have 7 more spots if the top 10 are all Russian. That won't ever happen, but all it means is if the World Ranked top 10 all go, you will only have one extra flight of skaters. That would be most fair. Hopefully I'm not being too confusing.

Actually, recently i heard a different oppinion on this whole spot system on a russian podcast, and its quite curious.
For example, they pointed out that if we have lets say 2 countries with many strong skaters, such as it currently happens in ladies with Russia and Japan, this virtually leaves everybody else with no chance of getting 3 spots, even though their skaters are not much worse.
What happens - if a country has 2-3 spots, they need to have their top two placements add to 13. Look at last worlds - top 6 was 2 russians and 3 japanese. And to have 13, the worst case you can do is 6th + 7th. So in the current field, a country, to get 13 spots, would either need to have 2 skaters place somewhere at 5-8 adding up to 13 (and that still kind of depends on the mistakes of the top girls). Or, as alternative, have a skater who can compete with Zagitova and Kihira and get into the podium (what lilBet did). Still, its very hard, as we have 2 countries getting their spots with huge margin (1+3 Russia, 4-5-6 Japan), and worst of all, their 3rd skaters are also very close to the podium, so while they do not contribute to their own country's spots, they make it harder for someone else to get that spot (see japanese #3 on 6th and russian #3 on 8th).

Take USA for example - the americans were 7th and 9th, but if you take out the russian and the japanese #3, you would have a 6th and 7th, enough for 3 spots.

Just adding a 4th spot to whoever would actually make this even worse.

Then, also, there is the whole old thing of using past results for the next season. I dont think its a good idea. I mean, Osmond won worlds last year, and Canada got 3 spots. Except this year Canada has really just 1 top skater, while everybody else struggles. Something similar will happen with Kaz next year - Lizzy got the spots, but who will fill them?
You could also see this issue clearly at the GP this year, with skaters like Panenkova and Tsurskaya bombing absurdly, while Russia had much stronger skaters who could have benefitted of those spots and do well maybe.

Imho, the whole way the spots are defined should be changed. I personally would appreciate much more if they used a criteria based on the current season, rather than previous years. For example, number of skaters from each country in some SB bands - lets say countries that got 3 skaters in top 20 will get 3 spots, then some rule for 2 and then everybody else gets 1 spot. Something like this maybe.
 
I really think that there should be a "super-qualifier" for a 4th spot, say if two people from the same country earn a total of 5 or less. And a country that has three skaters totalling 10 or less should get 5 spots. Next year with KAZ getting three spots is not new. For years, Lu Chen was earning 3 spots and she was pretty much the entire Chinese ladies program.

What I would really like to see is in addition to the current rules for qualifying for the next Worlds, is that a 12 month ranking system like the WTA is put in place (the skating WR seems to be the past 24 months). And the top 10 world ranked skaters automatically get an invitation to Worlds. In other words, Russian can earn their 3 spots under the current rules, but any other Russian who is world ranked in the top 10 also gets to Worlds. At most, which is highly doubtful, they might have 7 more spots if the top 10 are all Russian. That won't ever happen, but all it means is if the World Ranked top 10 all go, you will only have one extra flight of skaters. That would be most fair. Hopefully I'm not being too confusing.

I will take that. Thanks for ou input.
 
What did Leonova say?

She didn't seem to understand what Eteri said, imho.
Leonova said that your medals stay with you forever, while Eteri meant that once you get off podium, you go back to training as before, you dont get any perks or whatever.
 
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