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Since we are on the subject, I find it fascinating that in Russia it shows the ultimate respect when you call someone with the personal and the father name. For example, Eteri Georgievna is more respectful manner than Mrs. Tutberidze or Eteri Tutberidze. I am curious why, what’s the logic behind that.
 
How about people who are half russian and half foreign? Like Diana Davis, Eteri's daughter. Would she use her name with patronymic in Russia?
 
How about people who are half russian and half foreign? Like Diana Davis, Eteri's daughter. Would she use her name with patronymic in Russia?

yes, she would, when she will be old enough

Nota bene: some people who lives in Russia use patronymic names in their own way, for ex. Polad Murtuza-ogly (patronymic name is underlined) and it's ok for passports and other documents. Indeed in Russia you can list patronymic name of your child in the birth certificate in any manner/tradition you want.
 
Since we are on the subject, I find it fascinating that in Russia it shows the ultimate respect when you call someone with the personal and the father name. For example, Eteri Georgievna is more respectful manner than Mrs. Tutberidze or Eteri Tutberidze. I am curious why, what’s the logic behind that.

It comes from ancient times. First, let's start with the fact that after the October Revolution, the appeal "mister" and "mistress" (in Russian it sounds like a "lord") were in fact taboo ("Sorry, mister...", "All misters fled to Paris!"), and the official appeal was "tovarisch"(comrade). After the abolition of the communist system, word "tovarisch" also almost ceased to be used (and btw it is very pitiful - "tovarisch" is a noble ancient word meaning friend-associate in difficult business, campaign, field military service - Robin is tovarisch of Batman, hobbits going to Mordor were tovarisches to each other), but the appeal "lord" did not return as it is - it is rarely used.

But also before the revolution use name and patronymic implied a very respectful attitude. On the one hand it is respectful, but on the other hand it does not sound cold-official, that the Russians didn’t like very much at all times. For example, the peasants turned to their lord by the name of the patronymic cause it was emphasized that he was not just their lord, but kind off their father. Or if you read Tolstoy, for example, "War and Peace" there is the highest aristocracy, also often refers to each other by name patronymic, especially if it is not cold-official St. Petersburg but Moscow (which in those days was not the capital). Because it emphasizes the narrowness of their circle, that they are like a big family for each other.

Everything remained so nowadays - respectful and, let's say, a confidential appeal is made using the name of the patronymic. At the videoconferences with the president, no one will say "Mr. Putin", everyone turns to him "Vladimir Vladimirovich". Cuz he is kind off global father of country :) You cannot call your teacher or coach by last name - this is not accepted, and it somehow shows that you do not perceive him as a person, but only as a function - a teacher, a coach, a president. And this is extremely unacceptable in our society.
 
How about people who are half russian and half foreign? Like Diana Davis, Eteri's daughter. Would she use her name with patronymic in Russia?

Of course. We do not call foreigners by use patronymic, not because it is prohibited by some sort of rules. Because the patronymic is a marker of our society. That is, if I seriously say “Ivanka Donaldovna”, I would kind off russify her. It was strange an ridiculous. But if a person is a part of our society, then of course we will use patronymic, why not.

For example, in russian Wiki: Джонатан Францискович Гурейро (Jonathan Franciscovich Guerreiro)
 
Since we are on the subject, I find it fascinating that in Russia it shows the ultimate respect when you call someone with the personal and the father name. For example, Eteri Georgievna is more respectful manner than Mrs. Tutberidze or Eteri Tutberidze. I am curious why, what’s the logic behind that.
In wiki there is a nice article about it. It is not only in Russia, it is in many countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronymic
 
Has anyone ever done a Red Shoes program? I recently rewatched the movie and thought the story/character and music would translate very well to figure skating.

I think someone like Alina would do wonders with a program like that, since she does the ballet style programs so well.

Here's a video of the famous ballet sequence from the movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktv3-1JTspc
 
Since we are on the subject, I find it fascinating that in Russia it shows the ultimate respect when you call someone with the personal and the father name. For example, Eteri Georgievna is more respectful manner than Mrs. Tutberidze or Eteri Tutberidze. I am curious why, what’s the logic behind that.

I also love the russian custom of giving people affectionate nicknames shortened from their names... :biggrin:
 
I also love the russian custom of giving people affectionate nicknames shortened from their names... :biggrin:

It's not that much affectionate, it's just more of a... informal way of talking to someone you know.
Like if I say Alexander to my friend - that's way too official. Americans would probably say Alex or Al or something. Same way russians say Sasha, instead of Alexander.

Or did you mean something else?
 
It's not that much affectionate, it's just more of a... informal way of talking to someone you know.
Like if I say Alexander to my friend - that's way too official. Americans would probably say Alex or Al or something. Same way russians say Sasha, instead of Alexander.

Or did you mean something else?

Oh, ok then... I just supposed that you would only use the shortened version with friends, family, children or just someone you appreciate but not anyone
 
Of course. We do not call foreigners by use patronymic, not because it is prohibited by some sort of rules. Because the patronymic is a marker of our society. That is, if I seriously say “Ivanka Donaldovna”, I would kind off russify her. It was strange an ridiculous. But if a person is a part of our society, then of course we will use patronymic, why not.

For example, in russian Wiki: Джонатан Францискович Гурейро (Jonathan Franciscovich Guerreiro)


I have to say Jonathan Franciscovich Guerreiro sounds amazing :) !
 
It comes from ancient times. First, let's start with the fact that after the October Revolution, the appeal "mister" and "mistress" (in Russian it sounds like a "lord") were in fact taboo ("Sorry, mister...", "All misters fled to Paris!"), and the official appeal was "tovarisch"(comrade). After the abolition of the communist system, word "tovarisch" also almost ceased to be used (and btw it is very pitiful - "tovarisch" is a noble ancient word meaning friend-associate in difficult business, campaign, field military service - Robin is tovarisch of Batman, hobbits going to Mordor were tovarisches to each other), but the appeal "lord" did not return as it is - it is rarely used.

But also before the revolution use name and patronymic implied a very respectful attitude. On the one hand it is respectful, but on the other hand it does not sound cold-official, that the Russians didn’t like very much at all times. For example, the peasants turned to their lord by the name of the patronymic cause it was emphasized that he was not just their lord, but kind off their father. Or if you read Tolstoy, for example, "War and Peace" there is the highest aristocracy, also often refers to each other by name patronymic, especially if it is not cold-official St. Petersburg but Moscow (which in those days was not the capital). Because it emphasizes the narrowness of their circle, that they are like a big family for each other.

Everything remained so nowadays - respectful and, let's say, a confidential appeal is made using the name of the patronymic. At the videoconferences with the president, no one will say "Mr. Putin", everyone turns to him "Vladimir Vladimirovich". Cuz he is kind off global father of country :) You cannot call your teacher or coach by last name - this is not accepted, and it somehow shows that you do not perceive him as a person, but only as a function - a teacher, a coach, a president. And this is extremely unacceptable in our society.

Thank you for this explanation! Sorry, not to continue off topic for too long (although news is somewhat slow nowadays) - but what would happen for people whose father is not known (publicly, at least)? E.g. Diana Davis?
 
Thank you for this explanation! Sorry, not to continue off topic for too long (although news is somewhat slow nowadays) - but what would happen for people whose father is not known (publicly, at least)? E.g. Diana Davis?

Federal law of November 15, 1997 N 143-FZ "On acts of civil status" (with changes and additions):
Chapter II
Article 18
"...If, at the request of the mother, who is not married to the father of the child, information about the father of the child is not entered in the record of the act of birth, the child’s patronymic is recorded on the instructions of the mother."

For example, in the famous Soviet film “Moscow Doesn't Believe in Tears” after Rudik disowned the child, Katya gave her newborn daughter Sasha a patronymic based on the name of own father, that is, Sasha’s grandfather. This is not said directly, but when Kolya on the newborn party makes a solemn toast wishing to say the full name of Sasha "For Alexandra..." and then a little embarrassedly asks "what's her patronymic?" and Katya with a cold face says "Alexandrovna".
 
Has anyone ever done a Red Shoes program? I recently rewatched the movie and thought the story/character and music would translate very well to figure skating.

I think someone like Alina would do wonders with a program like that, since she does the ballet style programs so well.

Here's a video of the famous ballet sequence from the movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktv3-1JTspc

Red shoes is one of my all time favorite movies. But I think that its musical score is too difficult for figure skating interpretation.
 
Of course. We do not call foreigners by use patronymic, not because it is prohibited by some sort of rules. Because the patronymic is a marker of our society. That is, if I seriously say “Ivanka Donaldovna”, I would kind off russify her. It was strange an ridiculous. But if a person is a part of our society, then of course we will use patronymic, why not.

For example, in russian Wiki: Джонатан Францискович Гурейро (Jonathan Franciscovich Guerreiro)

Thank you for this, very interesting!
 
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