2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[LenaRadiFan]

Elena R is attending a camp as coach and is holding a masterclass at plushenko camp...does anyone know if she's attending Buianova camp and if she is actually competing next season? I really hope so because her presonality on ice is amazing

 

[fabienne1996]

And I’m going to come out and say it: I think the coaching change helped Zhenya, I think she is more mature personally and in her skating *not just* because she is older, but because of the coaching change. And not just a coaching change, but a life change. Russia should be very proud of her for her maturity in making this decision and for the improvements in her skating.

(And let me be clear, making a change means it was right off Zhenya. It doesn’t mean it would be right for anyone else, it’s not talking about anyone except Zhenya and what was right for her).

Others may disagree and that’s fine. But the fact that she aged one year does not change my opinion as to why her skating seemed more mature. [emoji3]

Thank you [emoji8][emoji8][emoji8]

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Woah....healthy vegetarian girl Sima is throwing full send 4 salchows on her insta stories. Not landing it but going for it. I love her grit! Always a favorite of mine!

 

[nussnacker]

Actually, that's not true. He did not state what he said as an opinion. Rather, her asserted them a fact. On the other hand, the two other posters were making observations, rather than trying to assert facts.

I did not say it was a personal attack. I was not offended. I was not complaining at all. I was, too, making an observation.

I think you have to read your post and see if you are overreacting, before you complain that my post was an overreaction.

It was more about Fabienne's post of why she never posts here and saying "at least she tried"
I added your comment for a context =)

 

[flanker]

Ok i get that you don't really like her. Again in my opinion her skating is more mature than in early 2018. It is my opinion and I do not need to always defend it. And look at the comment above all around she is more mature nit only from outside but also inside and yes it is normal but damm it why do you always try to find something wrong with what I am saying? What exacted your problem when I said she got more mature?

So, expressing my opinion which is different than yours = "you don't really like her".

When people express their different opinion, that doesn't mean it is an attack that must be defended. People meet different opinions all the time which is natural. I'm not trying to change your mind, also I'm not trying to "find something wrong with what you are saying". You are absolutely free to say and think your point of view. Just as I am. You think she looks more adult than what would be explained just by an age difference, I think that I see nothing that I wouldn't expect when someone grows from 17 to 19. That's all.

 

[fabienne1996]

That's so childish. Again, if it's really traumatizing to handle opinions that are different from yours, it's probably better not to go to the forums where different opinions are allowed.
I don't see anything wrong with criticism that was said. It wasn't bashing, it wasn't a personal attack, it was an opinion.
She IS in fact using entries that are more simple now, than they were before. Is this bashing to you?
You might feel like she's so much more mature, others might disagree, what's wrong with that?

When people pointed out Liza's lack of choreography and other weaker points, no one was making a big drama and getting offended by it
sigh...


As for el henry, man, you are SUCH a big fanboy of Brian

It is not childish when we post in here and have to defend our opinion more than anything else. But is always the same people nitpickin our comments. And you don't seem to get that.

 

[fabienne1996]

It is not childish when we post in here and have to defend our opinion more than anything else. But is always the same people nitpickin our comments. And you don't seem to get that.

I also did not say anything against the fact that her entries where easier I just said that she is still more mature than last year or late 2017 and that isn't only because she aged a year but also because of what she did go through this past season. And to put that down to just being a year older is just not true .And yes zhenya also has her faults like for example her fluz and you would never see me saying otherwise.

 

[fabienne1996]

So, expressing my opinion which is different than yours = "you don't really like her".

When people express their different opinion, that doesn't mean it is an attack that must be defended. People meet different opinions all the time which is natural. I'm not trying to change your mind, also I'm not trying to "find something wrong with what you are saying". You are absolutely free to say and think your point of view. Just as I am. You think she looks more adult than what would be explained just by an age difference, I think that I see nothing that I wouldn't expect when someone grows from 17 to 19. That's all.

She also acts more mature. Dont just put it down to it being one year older, that may be one of the reasons but another is also that she matured because of the things she experienced this past season, same with alina for example alina also matured but not only because she is one year older but also because of what she experienced this past year or would you say that is wrong?

 

[TheBallerina]

Woah....healthy vegetarian girl Sima is throwing full send 4 salchows on her insta stories. Not landing it but going for it. I love her grit! Always a favorite of mine!

Go for it Sima! I love all her posts and also all the love she is showing towards her coach, they have such a great relationship. Really heartwarming :luv17:

 

[melgirl25]

As a native russian speaker, I understood that message differently. It's not that she is opposed to her skaters expressing their opinion and participating in makings of the program. What she meant by that, is that sometimes, after obtaining some titles, some skaters can become cocky and demand some special treatment, and she disagrees with that.

As for Elizabet's comments, in her interview she says that skaters in her group are more than encouraged to participate in creation of their programs. She also said, that Eteri is brutally honest about everything, and she always speaks her mind about all details in the program, even down to make up. Albeit, doesn't mean skaters aren't allowed to do their own thing, they just trust their coach and her opinion.





I think majority of comments were that it's not Evgenia's style, but Eteri style, since a lot of Eteri skaters tend to use those expressive face expressions (what people like to call "miming") and overthetop movements like Evgenia banging the imaginary wall in one of the EX and Alina's breaking glass thing in POTO.
With Averbukh's choreo, a lot were criticizing his "pointless" movements, like "running" in the beginning of Yulia's Shindler program and Evgenia's 9/11 program.

And major point was that with this coaching change we will see more of a subtle and mature skating, something probably more muted/sophisticated and less "in your face", that a lot of people found distasteful and liked to criticize. I found a lot of them saying "oh there's so much natural performer talent, it's just they make the skater express his talent, because of bad programs and choreography"
And I think similar sentiments were said about Zhenya's programs. That she has a lot of artistic potential, but is given those "hot mess" Aver's choreos.

So I just pointed out, that "changes" that were hyped up by many, including her new coaching team, seemed not to be happening in the end, if she goes back to her old style of programs.

I don't think she had to "leave" Averbukh at all, it's not about her choice, it's probably about fans hyping it up and making it look like with the coaching change a lot of new packaging will come, when now it looks like "old packaging" is coming back and we're not going to see any changes possibly.
I would say, it's not a "one step at a time", more like a step back in my opinion.

She could've gone to Shaelynn or Buttle (or maybe ever Richaud lol), she would've gotten something different to both Wilson and Averbukh, would've been honestly a lot more beneficial to her development.

I don't think using him is a step back. Again, I usually liked his work with her and missed it this past season. As someone said earlier, I don't know if Exogenesis lends itself to the miming that annoyed some. Although anything is possible I guess I am hoping for something fresh yet familiar in their collaboration. It seems like going to back Ilia is a vindication for some who are big Eteri team supporters.

 

[fabienne1996]

Go for it Sima! I love all her posts and also all the love she is showing towards her coach, they have such a great relationship. Really heartwarming :luv17:

So great to see her going for it [emoji2]

 

[Scott512]

And that's exactly why most Evgenia fans never post in here because some people can't get enough of trying to nitpick st everything we say about her. Well at least we tried. Because yes her changing coaches let her mature faster too. It is natural that you mature when you move your entire life around and take a step over the so called cliff into nothing , but still why can't Iwe just say that she matured in the past year , a lot. And let it stand there because it is simply the truth
[emoji2]

You can say it and you did. And it makes sense too.

 

[fabienne1996]

You can say it and you did. And it makes sense too.

Thank you [emoji8][emoji2]

 

[Scott512]

She also acts more mature. Dont just put it down to it being one year older, that may be one of the reasons but another is also that she matured because of the things she experienced this past season, same with alina for example alina also matured but not only because she is one year older but also because of what she experienced this past year or would you say that is wrong?

She has matured since she left eteri but she was maturing then too as evidenced just turning 18 and going and meeting with the International Olympic Committee helping convince them to let Russia enter the Olympics at all. That was probably the most pressure-filled Evgenia has ever been and she came up clutch and I've given her great credit for that even in this thread to the dismay of some. I also give her credit for maturing and coming back from a bad start to last season to finish strong giving hope for this next season when the competition will be even tougher. Brian Orser said it would take Zhenya a year-and-a-half to get to her peak form and that may very well be the case. A lot of people shook their head and said whaaaaat? But it looks like that will be the situation no question evgenia should be better this season than last season. Will she ever find the great form she had when she dominated from 2015 to 2017? It will be hard to do but only time will tell. One thing is for sure she's going to go for it.

By the way Fabi I assumd you're enjoying posting in here now. The atmosphere is a bit more relaxed and positive.

 

[monochrom3]

Dudes everyone, take a chill pill.

This forum has become a warzone these past couple of days and its unbearable as heck. This is the russian ladies chat, not a fanfest. Please be respectful to everyone; obviously everyone has their favorite skaters and their different opinions. This is the RUSSIAN LADIES CHAT, expect there to be discussion. Not everyone is going to agree with what you say, but there’s also no need to take everything so personally either. If everyone would just stop being so incendiary to one another that would certainly help. If you disagree with an opinion, then do it respectfully. And I think that goes for everything. This is a free space to share about any russian lady skater, but that doesn’t mean its a free space for you to incite one another. This is a SHARED forum. And it will do well for everyone to remember that.

In other words, I think someone above asked why Sofia didn’t get a PCS boost at Worlds. A few commentators said that she seemed to lack the fire that she had in Euros, and I think she was clean but there were a couple of bobbles as in programme didn’t really go as planned (although I don’t recall that well). Personally watching Worlds, I do get that sentiment too. She was definitely more nervous there, and her energy wasn’t as great as during Euros. I think its also good to note that PCS is also often pegged to the general field you’re competing in and how you do VS everyone else. The groupings also make a difference when it comes to PCS, and in general I’ve seen that PCS always tends higher in the last group. The competition at Worlds was really deep, lots of great skaters there and Sofia didn’t stand out as much to the judges vs everyone else, I feel.

I’m excited to see how next season goes for her. Tbh its really hard to be so consistent as she has in her debut aeason, and she pretty much gives Zhenya’s debut season a run for the money with how consistent she’s been. Not sure if we’ll see her add a 3A but I do think she needs to work on upgrading her tech in the months ahead to stay competitive. She definitely has ways to grow more in the years ahead.

 

[flanker]

She also acts more mature. Dont just put it down to it being one year older, that may be one of the reasons but another is also that she matured because of the things she experienced this past season, same with alina for example alina also matured but not only because she is one year older but also because of what she experienced this past year or would you say that is wrong?

Do I have to say only one or the other?

 

[fabienne1996]

Do I have to say only one or the other?

Well for me it came across as if you only thought zhenya matured because she got a year or 2 older and completely disregarded that one thing that matures people is what they experience in that time. And even then your saying that it is natural that someone looks older when they aged 2 years is not always true either. Some people can age a few years and still not bodily change much. And I take a complete different example her now Jennifer Aniston for example or Reese Witherspoon look almost as good or the same they did like 10 years ago if we are talking about the bodies of those women. Or me for example, I came early into puberty and some people though when I was 13 that I bodily looks like my age was already 16 to 18 and my body didn't change for a few years either. But I still matured inside of my body because of what I experienced in those years.

 

[flanker]

With the help of your two recent posts, it is my opinion that you were not expressing an opinion regarding whether Evgenia exhibits more mature skating now than previously:

OPINION: (talking about Sofia)

ASSERTION OF FACT: (talking about Evgenia)

With the help of just one of your own posts, can we say that you were not expressing an opinion, but asserted the fact?

It's not you. It's Evgenia's fault for leaving Eteri. If she had stayed, some would not feel so embolden to contradict anything that is even remotely positive about Evgenia

Just because there is not explicitely stated "as for me/in my opinion", doesn't mean that user is asserting the fact. You were expressing an opinion (by using sarcasm a little), not asserting fact.

 

[Scott512]

Dudes everyone, take a chill pill.

This forum has become a warzone these past couple of days and its unbearable as heck. This is the russian ladies chat, not a fanfest. Please be respectful to everyone; obviously everyone has their favorite skaters and their different opinions. This is the RUSSIAN LADIES CHAT, expect there to be discussion. Not everyone is going to agree with what you say, but there’s also no need to take everything so personally either. If everyone would just stop being so incendiary to one another that would certainly help. If you disagree with an opinion, then do it respectfully. And I think that goes for everything. This is a free space to share about any russian lady skater, but that doesn’t mean its a free space for you to incite one another. This is a SHARED forum. And it will do well for everyone to remember that.

In other words, I think someone above asked why Sofia didn’t get a PCS boost at Worlds. A few commentators said that she seemed to lack the fire that she had in Euros, and I think she was clean but there were a couple of bobbles as in programme didn’t really go as planned (although I don’t recall that well). Personally watching Worlds, I do get that sentiment too. She was definitely more nervous there, and her energy wasn’t as great as during Euros. I think its also good to note that PCS is also often pegged to the general field you’re competing in and how you do VS everyone else. The groupings also make a difference when it comes to PCS, and in general I’ve seen that PCS always tends higher in the last group. The competition at Worlds was really deep, lots of great skaters there and Sofia didn’t stand out as much to the judges vs everyone else, I feel.

I’m excited to see how next season goes for her. Tbh its really hard to be so consistent as she has in her debut aeason, and she pretty much gives Zhenya’s debut season a run for the money with how consistent she’s been. Not sure if we’ll see her add a 3A but I do think she needs to work on upgrading her tech in the months ahead to stay competitive. She definitely has ways to grow more in the years ahead.

Good points about SS mono. She had a tremendous rookie season unbelievably consistent. And I was so frustrated the way she was scored at Worlds because she finished something like 9th which was ridiculous after winning euros. I know Europeans was not nearly as deep and as tough a field as worlds was but Sofia did not skate to a ninth-place placement in my opinion she was much higher.

As for this thread there may always be a little tension a little frustration with each other but if it's like today it would be very good. Once in awhile though will be like a couple days ago with the music controversy and it will be too much and it will be frustrating for many people. But the thread today in my opinion even with some slight discourse going on he's a good example of how this thread should work posters are explaining things to each other whether they agree or not.

 

[nussnacker]

Well if flanker would have added the sentence in my opinion and not made it out like it is a fact that only her aging a year or 2 and not the things she experienced in that time let her mature I would mabye not react that way. Since when flanker talks about Sofia he or she says "in his opinion ". While when commenting on my post on zhenya for me in my eyes it came across at not his or her opinion but rather disregarding my opinion and just saying that aging a year or 2 lets you look more mature. Which doesn't have to be true either cause I knew people who look way younger than they are and have not changed so much or haven't changed at all bodily.

Well, you also don't seem to be adding "in my opinion" to every sentence, do you? You don't say "you think she acts", you say "she acts", which is an assertion of the fact, oh am geee...

She also acts more mature. Dont just put it down to it being one year older, that may be one of the reasons but another is also that she matured because of the things she experienced this past season, same with alina for example alina also matured but not only because she is one year older but also because of what she experienced this past year or would you say that is wrong?

Just like NoviceFan here omitted that magical phrase, that "it is her subjective opinion" in her own comment:

It's not you. It's Evgenia's fault for leaving Eteri. If she had stayed, some would not feel so embolden to contradict anything that is even remotely positive about Evgenia

Somehow, everyone else needs to understand that it's your subjective observation, even when you guys don't add that phrase, but that shouldn't work for flanker?
I don't think everyone needs to be adding "in my opinion" every single time he/she comments, but it's just my opinion
And if there's a bias, which you guys also undeniably have (for Evgenia and against Eteri in this case I guess), but there's nothing in there to report to mods, then maybe just ignore it?