2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Scott512]

It might be true Gubanova pissed off a politician.So sad Imo she is the most talented girl.There will be no chance to go international competitions.People will never know how talented she is.

I am hopeless she has a little sister.

https://youtu.be/SCa3GETC6Yk

I'm sure her sister will be treated same as nastya.They must move to another country

Such a beautiful skater with such nice skating skills. Rusfed weirdos. Nastya has gotten the shaft her whole career. Strange. She went to Buyanova and cska to get a push. But Nastya got pushed out the door at only 16.

About another country why not? Lilbet reps Kazakstan while living and training in Russia. Why not Nasyta too?

 

[Lunalovesskating]

It's Rika who will have troubles in Canada, not Sasha. They competed twice in 2017/2018 and Sasha surpassed her on 13 and 50 points respectively.

Back then in juniors Rika never landed her 3A and 3A was not allowed in the SP that is why Sasha beat her all the time. It has gotten more consistent now.

 

[andromache]

Kostornaia beat Trusova at their only international competition. Also she is more likely than Trusova to skate clean, just look at least season. She has a huge PCS advantage which will guarantee her a huge score. Sasha did not skate a 3 quad program clean last season, and her point advantage is very much based on whether she can land all the quads. So I would say Alena is more difficult to beat than Sasha, considering she did in fact beat her, in an international competition, which GPs are. So yes, more excuses.

Kostornaia is the "safest" of the 3A to compete against because she has the lowest scoring potential without a quad. If Trusova, Shcherbakova, Alena, and Alina all compete and skate clean, Trusova/Shcherbakova both beat Alena and Alina. Alina beats Alena due to -3Lo combo on TES and reputation PCS.

Using that logic, it is easier for Alina to beat Alena than the other two 3A.

It's not an excuse or an insult to Alina.

 

[Vandevska]

Such a beautiful skater with such nice skating skills. Rusfed weirdos. Nastya has gotten the shaft her whole career. Strange. She went to Buyanova and cska to get a push. But Nastya got pushed out the door at only 16.

About another country why not? Lilbet reps Kazakstan while living and training in Russia. Why not Nasyta too?

Ummm because LilBet is from Kazakhstan and Gubanova isn't? Although half of the skaters at jWorlds in the last 2 groups of the FS were technically Russian.

 

[Fluture]

Kostornaia beat Trusova at their only international competition. Also she is more likely than Trusova to skate clean, just look at least season. She has a huge PCS advantage which will guarantee her a huge score. Sasha did not skate a 3 quad program clean last season, and her point advantage is very much based on whether she can land all the quads. So I would say Alena is more difficult to beat than Sasha, considering she did in fact beat her, in an international competition, which GPs are. So yes, more excuses.

I don‘t think we should harp on anyone getting easier GPs or blame Rusfed. Alina won Worlds, she has very much earned to choose her GPs first. And she was on top of the World last season, rusfed would be stupid not to make at least sure to “protect“ their three skaters that are most likely to make up the team next season and beat the Japanese by not sending them against each other sooner than they have to. Those three are Zagitova, Trusova and Shcherbakova and thus they will not face each other during the GP. Simple logic. Alina was World Champ, she‘ll get the benefit of having easier GPs. But this season, she‘ll have to fight like anybody else because no GP truly is easy.

As for the Alena vs Sasha comparison. I disagree. Alena beat Sasha at JGPF because Sasha messed up badly. Had Sasha skated like she did at both Nationals and Junior Worlds, she‘d not have managed to do that. Also, Sasha‘s PCS will rise very quickly. We‘ve seen this in the past that those who have the TES, will soon find their PCS to follow. I believe that was one of the reasons they gave Sasha Rostelecom. As for Alena, she is by far my favourite lady excluding Evgenia. But unless she miraculously pulls off a 3A early in the season, which I doubt because of her injury, her technical scores are below Alina‘s. Her PCS advantage is also non-existant compared to Alina because Alina is Olympic and World Champ. Of course Alina will have to be consistent but she would have to be at literally every other event. More so if she was skating against Trusova because she might make mistake on quads but never misses the THREE 3-3 in her programs. So, no, in no way do I agree Alena is tougher to beat than Sasha. To be quite blunt, I‘d say this is more than delusional to even think, given what we‘ve seen the past seasons. Sasha will fight for Gold at her GP events, including the final. Alena will try to make it to the final in the first place.

 

[Vandevska]

Seriously though, I think that if all of the 3A are clean and Anna is skating with only one quad, the only one Alena will be beating is Anna.

 

[Scott512]

Am I the only one satisfied with the distribution?
I mean, sure, we all have our favourites, but one had to know that this year it was gonna be hard anywhere. My excitement levels are through the roof! JGP circuit is exciting because I get to see Tutberitze's pupils and learn about more skaters, and BAM! Every weekend for 7 weeks straight I get to be excited about the GP circuit! It's gonna be awesome. I can't wait.

Also, although everyone enjoys skating in Japan because they're the best audience, I'm glad that Alina's going there because she feels great there, and I'm glad that Evgenia is going to Rostelecom because she feels great there too. They had to have at least one ultra popular senior there to sell tickets because probably Sasha is still not as popular (though she's spectacular - get it? popular-spectacular, it rhymes ).

You are the only 1.

 

[esteticlove]

It will be interesting though if both Evgenia and Aliona could make it to the GPF with silver+silver.

 

[Vandevska]

You are the only 1.

Perhaps

 

[j00mla]

Rusfed probably just wants Zhenya in Russia more + she's probably got the most starpower there to sell tickets and bring in viewers based on RusNats and RusCup final. Alina got NHK, the 3A girl without quads, and two ~easier~ GPs anyway. You can't really say they favored one over the other.

but according to rules Alina as a world champion did choose her stages, then from four the rest Elizabeth did, so Evgenia and RusFed just had no choiсe, of course they had a chance to ask Alina and Lilbeth to not choose Rostelecom Cup but without any guarantee of success of such request

 

[colormyworld240]

Kostornaia is the "safest" of the 3A to compete against because she has the lowest scoring potential without a quad. If Trusova, Shcherbakova, Alena, and Alina all compete and skate clean, Trusova/Shcherbakova both beat Alena and Alina. Alina beats Alena due to -3Lo combo on TES and reputation PCS.

Using that logic, it is easier for Alina to beat Alena than the other two 3A.

It's not an excuse or an insult to Alina.

I disagree. Yes, if they all skate clean, the quaestors will win. When has skating every been about planned content? The chances the quadsters will skate clean? Anna never did it internationally. Sasha doesn't need to land one quad clean, she needs 2, or arguably 3, to beat Alena, who is almost always clean. Her PCS will always be there, unlike the quads which are extremely difficult to land.

So no, I don't think Alena is easier to beat than Sasha. Because with the only evidence we have for it internationally, Alena did beat Sasha. I'm also not saying anyone is insulting Alina. I am saying it is unfair to say Sasha (or Anna) is more competition than Alena , and is only used as an excuse for one's favourites.

 

[fabienne1996]

It will be interesting though if both Evgenia and Aliona could make it to the GPF with silver+silver.

Have to say it would be interesting if all at the end we have an all Russian finale.or 5 out of 6 are Russians.

 

[esteticlove]

Have to say it would be interesting if all at the end we have an all Russian finale.or 5 out of 6 are Russians.

Well, we'll finally have Eteri's own competition then!

 

[fabienne1996]

I disagree. Yes, if they all skate clean, the quaestors will win. When has skating every been about planned content? The chances the quadsters will skate clean? Anna never did it internationally. Sasha doesn't need to land one quad clean, she needs 2, or arguably 3, to beat Alena, who is almost always clean. Her PCS will always be there, unlike the quads which are extremely difficult to land.

So no, I don't think Alena is easier to beat than Sasha. Because with the only evidence we have for it internationally, Alena did beat Sasha. I'm also not saying anyone is insulting Alina. I am saying it is unfair to say Sasha (or Anna) is more competition than Alena , and is only used as an excuse for one's favourites.

Again Its not an excuse of me. And from the 3a alena is by far my favorite but even I can see that she won over Sasha because Sasha messed up badly , when Sasha, lands her quads which she did more the longer the season did go on than as we have seen sadly alena can't beat a clean Sasha. And again That's not an excuse that's a fact

 

[colormyworld240]

I don‘t think we should harp on anyone getting easier GPs or blame Rusfed. Alina won Worlds, she has very much earned to choose her GPs first. And she was on top of the World last season, rusfed would be stupid not to make at least sure to “protect“ their three skaters that are most likely to make up the team next season and beat the Japanese by not sending them against each other sooner than they have to. Those three are Zagitova, Trusova and Shcherbakova and thus they will not face each other during the GP. Simple logic. Alina was World Champ, she‘ll get the benefit of having easier GPs. But this season, she‘ll have to fight like anybody else because no GP truly is easy.

As for the Alena vs Sasha comparison. I disagree. Alena beat Sasha at JGPF because Sasha messed up badly. Had Sasha skated like she did at both Nationals and Junior Worlds, she‘d not have managed to do that. Also, Sasha‘s PCS will rise very quickly. We‘ve seen this in the past that those who have the TES, will soon find their PCS to follow. I believe that was one of the reasons they gave Sasha Rostelecom. As for Alena, she is by far my favourite lady excluding Evgenia. But unless she miraculously pulls off a 3A early in the season, which I doubt because of her injury, her technical scores are below Alina‘s. Her PCS advantage is also non-existant compared to Alina because Alina is Olympic and World Champ. Of course Alina will have to be consistent but she would have to be at literally every other event. More so if she was skating against Trusova because she might make mistake on quads but never misses the THREE 3-3 in her programs. So, no, in no way do I agree Alena is tougher to beat than Sasha. To be quite blunt, I‘d say this is more than delusional to even think, given what we‘ve seen the past seasons. Sasha will fight for Gold at her GP events, including the final. Alena will try to make it to the final in the first place.

Not harping on Alina's choices, nor RusFed. They both made their decisions, as is their right to do so. I don't think they're the easiest choices for Alina, but that doesn't say anything negative about them; it's their choice. And I'm not harping on anyone getting easier GPs. If you read the chat flow, I'm merely playing devil's advocate to those who are saying Alina has easier GPs than Evgenia. I don't think any of them have an easier GP. Their competitors, Sasha and Alena, are quite even in terms of scoring (not potential, but what has been performed and scored in the past when they have competed against each other). Where as Sasha has the potential to hit 3 quads, she never has. At the same time, Alena's huge PCS is guaranteed, and she likely goes clean. I think what is delusional is to ignore the facts, what was actually done in competition.

 

[karina17]

just you wait, Alёna and Alina can surprise everyone.

You're absolutely right. For now, France looks like the only GP event without a ladies' 3A or quad.

 

[colormyworld240]

Again Its not an excuse of me. And from the 3a alena is by far my favorite but even I can see that she won over Sasha because Sasha messed up badly , when Sasha, lands her quads which she did more the longer the season did go on than as we have seen sadly alena can't beat a clean Sasha. And again That's not an excuse that's a fact

I'm not sure this conversation is constructive. No one cares who you favourite is (or who my favourites are), I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. That doesn't change the results which are the facts. 3 quad have huge scoring potential, and I actually think they should be even more valued. However, it has yet to be seen the Sasha can do that in competition, where all Alena's PCS is here to stay. All the GPs are difficult, different skaters with different factors. I don't think anyone has it easier.

 

[j00mla]

Back then in juniors Rika never landed her 3A and 3A was not allowed in the SP that is why Sasha beat her all the time. It has gotten more consistent now.

Lets wait, lets see. Sasha learned three quads faster then Rika did her 3A. I can imagine that the competition with Sasha will affect the stability of Ricka, the last Worlds was a failure not because of technique, but because of psychology. But Sasha being worried about rivals? For her the harder is more interesting. She will go out on the ice as before - with joyful anticipation and impatience. Perhaps she even didn't notice that Ricka was her opponent twice already.

 

[Fluture]

Not harping on Alina's choices, nor RusFed. They both made their decisions, as is their right to do so. I don't think they're the easiest choices for Alina, but that doesn't say anything negative about them; it's their choice. And I'm not harping on anyone getting easier GPs. If you read the chat flow, I'm merely playing devil's advocate to those who are saying Alina has easier GPs than Evgenia. I don't think any of them have an easier GP. Their competitors, Sasha and Alena, are quite even in terms of scoring (not potential, but what has been performed and scored in the past when they have competed against each other). I think what is delusional is to ignore the facts, what is actually done in competition.

The comment about harping was meant in general because there‘s lots of fighting in here already. I do think Alina has easier GPs than Zhenya but I see no reason why she wouldn‘t, for me that‘s simple logic and if I‘d been Rusfed, I would have done the same. We can definitely agree to disagree here.

But I‘m still curious about your comparison of Sasha and Alena. I know Alena beat Sasha at JGPF. But Sasha did not land one quad cleanly and if I‘m not mistaken this was the only time during the season this happened. Had she landed one quad, she would have beat Alena. Sasha‘s 4T is pretty consistent, as consistent as a quad can be. Maybe she won‘t land a three quads layout consistently. But on the basis of what we‘ve seen last season, she‘ll land at least one quad in each competition. And that would be enough to beat Alena, especially if Sasha‘s PCS catch up.

 

[fabienne1996]

I'm not sure this conversation is constructive. No one cares who you favourite is (or who my favourites are), I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. That doesn't change the results which are the facts. 3 quad have huge scoring potential, and I actually think they should be even more valued. However, it has yet to be seen the Sasha can do that in competition, where all Alena's PCS is here to stay. All the GPs are difficult, different skaters with different factors. I don't think anyone has it easier.

Why do I keep bringing up who my fav is? Mabye its because of your sentence here?

This is what you wrote

Quote " I am saying it is unfair to say Sasha (or Anna) is more competition than Alena , and is only used as an excuse for one's favourites."

So for you me saying what I said is as you wrote it an excuse for my favorite skater. But it is not its at the moment an observation.