Maybe they included only skaters with American vise.
2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
- Thread starter Spirals for Miles
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Maybe they included only skaters with American vise.
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I'm surprised Tarakanova is assigned to the first JGP before test skates. I would have thought the RFed would want to see exactly how her training is going, since she was all over the place last year. It probably does make sense though to put her with Sinitsyna since they have the same coach. And who knows, maybe Nastya is doing amazing in her new setting, and the higher ups know she's ready to slay (I hope!)?
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I don't have so much time to answer everyone who praises Alena in comparison with Alina and other ladies. This exceeds all limits and can play a cruel joke with Alena, because she can consider that she is already at a high level.
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They still can make adjustments and put in Tarusina if Tarakanova or Sinitsina don't do well at test skates. And as mentioned before, they probably have US visas. Also, I hope they still give Tarakanova/Sinitsina a second spot, since with Liu participating, there is a high probability that one of them will finish 3rd and last season 3rd place finishers got only one spot.
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Then don‘t get all defensive about it. This is a forum, we talk, we discuss, we compare skaters‘ different strengths. Normal thing. Aliona doesn‘t read this forum, neither does Alina, so don‘t worry about them. They will be fine. Aliona won‘t stop training just because some random people on the internet think she’s great.
And Aliona IS at a high level already, that‘s why people are praising her skills. Doesn‘t mean she can‘t improve or is a perfect skater who will win all the time (lol literally everyone in here admits she will probably only win when others make mistake because her BV is low and she comes back from injury) But that‘s the whole point of not maxing out PCS in a skater‘s first senior season. So that there‘s room to grow. If you don‘t agree, then don‘t, that‘s perfectly fine. But either offer arguments or just ignore the posts you disagree with. Because there‘s no use in asking people to stop discussing if the whole purpose of this thread literally is to discuss the Russian ladies.
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I think it‘s interesting as well. I thought they‘d wait to see her current state. She has been going through a lot of changes these past years. I mean, it kind of makes sense to send two Panova skaters to one event but they could just wait for test skates and send someone else in the meantime... But I agree, I‘m hoping she‘s doing well too! Her skating skills are amazing and she’s really passionate, if a bit unrefined. Do we know anything about her programs or will we have to wait for test skates?
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She’s still among the strongest juniors in Russia and made it to jgpf, which is a good result. Better than quite a few girls out there.
Would be interesting to see the showdown between her and Alysa, since Tarakanova should be getting higher PCS, but Alysa has 3A and 4Lz, and the event is in the US, so the question is would it be enough?
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Alina practicing her SP at The Ice.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0isH-El2mB/?igshid=1ramcdtdcko96
We can‘t see too much but we get to hear a bit of the music cuts. And she‘s indeed now jumping 3F out of a charlotte. The spiral into the 2A is interesting. something new. For her. Also: 3Lz+3Lo+3Lo! We can‘t see much of the jumps and even though the last one looks UR from the bit we see, it‘s still encouraging to see her practice the really difficult combos again. Will be interesting to see the whole thing, especially the choreo. I‘m still praying that the beautiful Ina Bauer in her video on instagram isn‘t just slow-motion but her actually holding the move that long. That would be great because she can clearly do it.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0isH-El2mB/?igshid=1ramcdtdcko96
We can‘t see too much but we get to hear a bit of the music cuts. And she‘s indeed now jumping 3F out of a charlotte. The spiral into the 2A is interesting. something new. For her. Also: 3Lz+3Lo+3Lo! We can‘t see much of the jumps and even though the last one looks UR from the bit we see, it‘s still encouraging to see her practice the really difficult combos again. Will be interesting to see the whole thing, especially the choreo. I‘m still praying that the beautiful Ina Bauer in her video on instagram isn‘t just slow-motion but her actually holding the move that long. That would be great because she can clearly do it.
If the tech caller is fair on checking underrotations, and judges are fair with GOE usage, they can fight for gold.
Unfortunately since America is desperately trying to push Alysa Liu as a top skater, as national champion she is the favourite going in.
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She’s still among the strongest juniors in Russia and made it to jgpf, which is a good result. Better than quite a few girls out there.
Would be interesting to see the showdown between her and Alysa, since Tarakanova should be getting higher PCS, but Alysa has 3A and 4Lz, and the event is in the US, so the question is would it be enough?
She also almost won Bronze and beat Shcherbakova who, admittedly, had her two worst days that season. Sinitsyna is also there and as much as I like Nastya, I still think she‘s the better skater out of all three. She lacks some of the emotions Nastya gives while skating but she‘s more refined. They both have great skating skills and jumping technique, though, so they should be ahead of Alysa by quite a considerable margin in PCS and GOE. But again, a 4Lz and 3A are hard to beat... (and so is the hype and judging bonus Alysa will probably get... not her fault, obviously) it will come down to who lands their jumps and how the judges decide to judge. I like Alysa but I like my Russian girls more, so I‘m rooting for them to make it. Besides, I want Kseniia in the JGPF since she missed it last time and it cost her quite a lot of WS points which resulted in her having a very early starting position in the SP at Junior Worlds.
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I've never really followed Sinitsyna, but I think that if Tarakanova skates her programs cleanly, she could beat Liu. She has the potential to get huge GOE on her elements, but with her tendency to get squirrely on some of the jumps, I really can't predict how it'll go. I think she has the ability to outclass Alysa in every way though, 3As and quads aside.
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She’s still among the strongest juniors in Russia and made it to jgpf, which is a good result. Better than quite a few girls out there.
Would be interesting to see the showdown between her and Alysa, since Tarakanova should be getting higher PCS, but Alysa has 3A and 4Lz, and the event is in the US, so the question is would it be enough?
And considering Tarakanova has the greatest speed and ice coverage of probably ALL juniors, she will be a complete contrast to Alysa and will expose Alysa's greatest weakness the most. It will be interesting to see how they are judged. Nastya skates more like a senior but is not as refined in her presentation yet.
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That‘s very interesting. I agree completely that Nastya has the greatest speed and ice coverage and not only in juniors, she beats a lot of seniors as well. Do you think they did it on purpose? They must be aware that this year, Alysa is their greatest rival to stop them from finally having that all 6 Russian ladies JGPF. Sending two skaters with a very sound and correct jumping technique + speed and skating skills to compete against her is clever. Alysa has the difficulty and she’s a charismatic performer but she’s slow and often URs. But then again, neither Tarakanova nor Sinitsyna are the most consistent, so it might be a bit risky too...
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I think the Fed wants to protect Valieva from having to compete against Liu until the Final, assuming that they both make it. Considering that Kanysheva is already at the first JGP, I think that Nastya is their next best bet against Liu out of the Russian juniors. This is her third junior season and she already has a JGPF medal, so she's more seasoned than the rest, plus her skating skills are out of this world in comparison to the rest of the juniors and her jumps are textbook when she hits.
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There has to be some strategy at work there. No Russian skater is going to out jump Alysa, so they might as well send their fastest skaters with the most sound technique to compete against her. And Nastya's jumps are HUGE too which should get much higher GOE than Alysa. It's probably the safest bet for Russia and if both Sinitsyna and Tarakanova manage to bump Alysa down to third, then Alysa would likely be out of the JGPF. I can't wait for this season to start!!!!
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Hope so too, and since Tarakanova maintains an active presence on her social media we might know soon how she is doing.
Tarakanova and Tarusina, an interesting pair to battle it out between them for qualifying to JGPF.
Both have experience in competing at the highest level against the toughest contestants. T&T aren’t easily intimidated.
And both are older and more mature than Liu in dealing with expectations and pressure.
But without doubt all three girls will want to impress and will put their best blade forward.
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Well, it is possible, but to me it looks interresting (and little suspicious) that at first JGP there are two Eteri girls and at the second none. As if they wanted them to fight against each other on the same competitions for the final.
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I see an interesting pattern of sending two girls from the same coach. Could it be done for financial purposes, as the federation would have to pay expenses for one coaching team? Also, will we get Tarusina+Vasilieva at Riga (both from Davydov) and Valieva+Khromykh+someone else at Chelyabinsk if they keep following this tactic?
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Alena has better skating skills than not just Alina, but all the Russian ladies. If you're talking about those who score higher than her, Alena also has better skating skills than Evgenia also who also gets 9s, and performance, etc. But whenever someone says anything like that, people start bringing out the "you can praise one without putting down the other". So it either applies to all or none.
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Yes. Let's say that some hypothetical skater is better in skating skills than Alina. In such case this hypothetical skater must necessarily be better then the rest of russian ladies, because Alina has better skating skills than any other russian lady apart from the hypothetical skater from this task. Just for example (because, you know, when you praise Alina, you have to give an example, while putting somebody above Alina requires nothing but an opinion), results of Alina in WC were 9.21+9.11=18.32 for skating skills in SP and FP vs. next best russian lady - can't remember the name now - who had 9.08+9.18=18.26.
