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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

Edwin said:
Frida, the Mexican movie, right?

I thought that Tarakanova's FP music nicely fits together with the SP music, allowing for a contiguous interpretation and is also sort of economical on resources.
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Yes, the Salma Hayek one about Mexican painter Frida Kahlo, although the movie is actually American. I like the program/music too, I love Tarakanova and really hope she gets the support she needs and is able work hard to refine and polish it up.
 
[email protected] said:
Of course, not all of them but that's OK, otherwise we would have a branch of FanFest here. Opponents could sometimes be a source of insights about what could be improved. So far, with Kamila I am not sure that critical remarks can work like this. They are predominantly about "frantic movements", "busy program", etc. Nothing new - it has started with Yulia. Yes, Eteri's students do many more various leg movements during the program than "traditional skaters" who can set a jump for several seconds, who have a lot of two foot skating. Some people see good choreo and artistry in that - I don't.

My theory is that it would be a piece of cake for Eteri's skaters to produce this sort of skating. Alina showed recently that she can hold Ina Bauer for not just a fraction of second. They don't do it on purpose - because they think it is yesterday's figure skating. On the other hand, many others who don't have a multitude of fast-pace transitions do not do it not because of artistic reasons - they simply cannot. It's like they did not backload not because of not willing spectators' "having bathroom breaks" but because it was too difficult and risky for them. It is important that figure skating is a sport and judges seem to highly appreciate what Eteri's skater can offer.

Life is changing, generations are changing, figure skating is changing. I personally like these changes. Those who prefer to stay with the past - it's their choice.
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Is Usacheva NOT with Eteri then? Skaters are just different.
 
Watch said:
Does Maya Khromykh only look tall because of her built (those long limbs!) or is she actually tall?
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To me she looks similar to Bradie Tennell, body type (tall, slim, arms), even in their faces there are some similarities.
 
flanker said:
To me she looks similar to Bradie Tennell (tall, slim, arms), body type, even in their faces there are some similarities.
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Interesting...I kind of see the resemblance now that you mention it. But I am a Bradie fan, and I think Maya is much more graceful and elegant with her long limbs than Bradie is. :laugh:
 
Elana said:
Is it assumed that because there were 9 girls at test skates (including Tarusina) that the Fed will most likely give them each a spot? Then the 6 that can likely make it to the final will get a second? This is what they did last season, correct?

Tbh, with the talent I watched today, I could see an all Russian Final. I am a fan of Alysa, but can she actually compete with these girls, I mean each of them has the potential to be the total package?
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To answer your Liu question Elana, yes.

Did you watch US Nationals in January? If you did you know the answer to your question. 13 year old Alysa smoked 20 year old Bradie and 23 year old Mariah and blew them off the ice with her multiple triple axels and dynamic performances. I would say Bradie and Mariah are on the level of the Russians 6 through 8 and they could not compete with Alysa. So why wouldn't Alysa be able to compete with promising 13 year old Russian juniors? I guarantee you Alysa and her camp are wondering if these Russian Juniors can compete with her.

No question there are a few impressive Russian junior girls who could become brilliant someday. But have any of them ever landed something like a triple axel or a quad in a major competition the way Alysa has?

One thing is for sure even with 3A moving up to seniors it will be another sensational season for the junior girls. Get your popcorn ready. ;)
 
Scott512 said:
To answer your Liu question Elana, yes.

Did you watch US Nationals in January? If you did you know the answer to your question. 13 year old Alysa smoked 20 year old Bradie and 23 year old Mariah and blew them off the ice with her multiple triple axels and dynamic performances. I would say Bradie and Mariah are on the level of the Russians 6 through 8 and they could not compete with Alysa. So why wouldn't Alysa be able to compete with promising 13 year old Russian juniors? I guarantee you Alysa and her camp are wondering if these Russian Juniors can compete with her.

No question there are a few impressive Russian junior girls who could become brilliant someday. But have any of them ever landed something like a triple axel or a quad in a major competition the way Alysa has?

One thing is for sure even with 3A moving up to seniors it will be another sensational season for the junior girls. Get your popcorn ready. ;)
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I've actually been following Alysa since she won nationals as an intermediate, so I've been a huge fan of hers for awhile, also idk if I would say she smoked the others, but she did deserve the win. The girl has charisma, but she doesn't have power or the best technique. Obviously she's working on this, but in the meantime, these Russian girls are all strong and I think they're PCS for the most part should be higher the Alysa's. I'd like to see her go for 2 3As and 2 4lz, but that's gutsy, if she falls, URs, or +REPs, her score will lower immensly, meanwhile these Russians will be picking up extra GOE on strong triples. Now if Alysa goes clean its a whole different story, but will she for sure? I wish the best for all of them, however, I'm not sure if Alysa will dominate like everyone is expecting, I think there will be some surprises in this junior season that's all.
 
Alysa's quads so far have all been underrotated.correct me if I'm wrong.she will need to improve her technique for those to not be downgraded
 
tempo said:
Why... This is just testing skating only.
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Apparently, it's not just skating since your participation in JGP can be decided. Moreso if you are not an established skater yet. That's why the majority of the skaters were nervous.
 
I think Junior big events like JGPF and Worlds will be all sold out. Perhaps even JGP stages will see good increases of intetest and more audience. If ISU and related hosting countries do it right.
 
Kamila said in an article for tass that she was more calm during free program than she was during the short program. She also said that she's thinking more about the elements rather than the music?
(maybe a russian can help me here please) Perhaps this explains why some people said here her FP is soulless :laugh:

She said her form is 7/10 complete. Press asked for her height and weight: 150cm/35kg.

https://tass.ru/sport/6738829
 
Alexz said:
If ISU and related hosting countries do it right.
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If and only. And there has to be a reasonable interest in figure skating in the first place. Remember all the 70-80% empty stands at JGP, even some of the finals or JWC, when hosted by a non-committed federation?
2018 Vancouver was superb in attendance and crowd appreciation of the skaters, 2019 Torino will hopefully be good. That region of Italy is strong in figure skating.
 
Alexz said:
ITV crew was not allowed to the room where top brass of RusFed and Tchaikovskaya talked to coaches - too bad I would sell tickets to that.
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Most will get reprimanded/scolded and ordered to do better next time. The rink speaker said skaters were required to attend along with their trainers. It's part of the routine, and they will get used to it pretty soon and learn not to bother themselves too much by the top brass. All these young skaters, many children still, work only for their trainers' appreciation first and foremost, the only adults they trust with their skating.

Mishin and TAT should be worried over the state of their programs in certain disciplines.
 
Elana said:
I've actually been following Alysa since she won nationals as an intermediate, so I've been a huge fan of hers for awhile, also idk if I would say she smoked the others, but she did deserve the win. The girl has charisma, but she doesn't have power or the best technique. Obviously she's working on this, but in the meantime, these Russian girls are all strong and I think they're PCS for the most part should be higher the Alysa's. I'd like to see her go for 2 3As and 2 4lz, but that's gutsy, if she falls, URs, or +REPs, her score will lower immensly, meanwhile these Russians will be picking up extra GOE on strong triples. Now if Alysa goes clean its a whole different story, but will she for sure? I wish the best for all of them, however, I'm not sure if Alysa will dominate like everyone is expecting, I think there will be some surprises in this junior season that's all.
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Alysa finished way ahead of her veteran competition. of course she's a work in progress but she's so tiny and light that her ability to spin three and four times should be perfected in the next couple years. Unless puberty hits hard. but she may end up even smaller than Alena and that will always be a benefit when it comes to doing the most difficult jumps.

I also wonder if the international judges don't want to see complete Russian domination in the Juniors again after what 3A did the last couple years. Alysa maybe pushed as the real threat to the Russian girls.

Alysa vs Kamila will be awesome to see.

One advantage the Russian girls have is the competition being so incredible on all levels of Russian ladies skating.
 
I do not think we will see a rotated quad from Alysa on the JGP (maybe by Nationals/Junior Worlds). Her 3As seem pretty solid, but all of her triples are at risk of UR calls.

Alysa beat Bradie and Mariah at Nationals only because Bradie and Mariah made big errors. Even with her tech advantage, she would have lost to one or both if they had been clean.

We’ll see. But I think the Russian ladies only need to focus on going clean, and hope that the judges aren’t too generous with Alysa. I think her biggest advantage is that she is the only one the US will be pushing. Whereas the Russian ladies all have to fight it out for top (junior tier) PCS. Judges aren’t going to give all of the Russian ladies top PCS. Kamila for sure, and maybe Kanysheva because she won a JGPF medal last year. But some of the other ladies won’t get the top PCS. It will depend on consistency and politics.
 
andromache said:
I do not think we will see a rotated quad from Alysa on the JGP (maybe by Nationals/Junior Worlds). Her 3As seem pretty solid, but all of her triples are at risk of UR calls.

Alysa beat Bradie and Mariah at Nationals only because Bradie and Mariah made big errors. Even with her tech advantage, she would have lost to one or both if they had been clean.

We’ll see. But I think the Russian ladies only need to focus on going clean, and hope that the judges aren’t too generous with Alysa. I think her biggest advantage is that she is the only one the US will be pushing. Whereas the Russian ladies all have to fight it out for top (junior tier) PCS. Judges aren’t going to give all of the Russian ladies top PCS. Kamila for sure, and maybe Kanysheva because she won a JGPF medal last year. But some of the other ladies won’t get the top PCS. It will depend on consistency and politics.
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what pcs would you give Kamila and Alysa?
 
Kamila's jumps look much improved and great quad, elegant and lovely extensions as always. But she definitely needs to think about the music more in the second part, she looked a bit rushed / disconnected and it's emotional music. Hopefully her performance develops throughout the season - that's the only thing keeping me from liking her more, lovely interpretation of calm music, but weak interpretation of powerful music. However, she's still only young
 
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