Like a litte Variety in Amateur figure skating.

[enlight78]

I'm not in favor of a Team Championship. That is what the Olys are all about and only because the media puts the results in the news. Also non democratic nations worry about having the best teams which takes away from the individuality of the contestants.

How do you rate of Team Score with US having 15 entries and Switzerland having 4. US has a bronze medal; Switzerland has a bronze medal.

Joe

The olympics is more about patriotism than about teaming together. I was talking about a teams made up of two people only There cannot not be 15 entries. I was taliking about individual skaters coming together to skate as a team. For example Johnny Weir usually have a good short while Evan have good longs. They will form a team(each one making up for the other's weakness). They will compete in male singles as one team. Johnny will skate the short for team Weir/Lysacek and Lysacek will skate the long for team Weir/lysacek. The male team with the highest points win first and so on. Each division will be a seperate team compition. For womens division Emily and Kimmie might team up. Each county can send any where from one to three teams for each division. That allow each country up to six skaters for each single divison and up to 12 skaters for pairs and dance.

what do you mean by How do you rate of Team Score with US having 15 entries and Switzerland having 4. US has a bronze medal; Switzerland has a bronze medal
If this worlds was a team event mens would have turn out like this
weir short 74.26
evan's long 148.69
total 222.95

Jamal's short 63.71
Stephane's long 160.95
total 223.66

Oda's short 67.17
Takahashi's long 163.44
total 230.61

Alban's short 70.06
Brian's long 157.21
total 227.37

gold goes to team Oda/Takahashi Japan
silver goes to team Alban/Brian France
bronze goes to team Jamal/Stephane Switzerland

 

[Mathman]

And the pewter goes to...Will Farrell and Jon Heder!

 

[alicelouise]

Team Skating Championsips

I would like the World Championships to include a team competition after the regular competition ends. Or even to hold a seperate team competition. I think that would be fun. :agree:

That would be interesting. You could have the best skater/team in a Pairs and single Short and Long and the Best National teams for Dance Compulsory/Original/Free going head to head.

A US 2007 team, for example, would have Emily Hughes skating the Short and Kimmie Meissner skating the long in the Ladies division(Correct me if I'm wrong about the placements) for the US World Team.

 

[alicelouise]

Team chanpionships

A World Team Championship competition should have all disciplines competing as one team.

The 2007 US Team may have:
Ladies
Emily Hughes-SP
Kimmie Meissner LP

Men
Johnnie Weir-SP
Evan Lycasek-LP

Pairs
Inoue and Baldwin-Lp
2nd best team for SP sorry didn't watch US Pairs
Dance
Gregory and Petukhov-CD
Davis and White-OD
Belbin and Agosto-FD

The point being having different skaters/team for each phase. I know there are are some countries that don't have that many skaters and they could be granted a dispensation to have a skater in more than one phase. Bulgaria may not have any dance teams after Denkova/Stanivski, just as an example, they may have to skate in all phases(probably wouldn't hurt Bulgaria in the least )

 

[enlight78]

The point being having different skaters/team for each phase. I know there are are some countries that don't have that many skaters and they could be granted a dispensation to have a skater in more than one phase. Bulgaria may not have any dance teams after Denkova/Stanivski, just as an example, they may have to skate in all phases(probably wouldn't hurt Bulgaria in the least )

I wonder in that case would it be more fair to let on teamp skate both phases or would it be more fair to let that team join up with another federation. Like Yu Na Kim for example. Will the korean federation mind joining the chinese federation since both of the women's elite field is extremely small.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

And what would you have as a result? A Team Gold result overshadowing a Single's (from wherever) Gold Worlds?

If you want a Team bring back Fours.

Joe

 

[enlight78]

And what would you have as a result? A Team Gold result overshadowing a Single's (from wherever) Gold Worlds?


Joe

I don't think it would overshadow anything. That like saying winning the a pairs medal is better than winning a singles medal. Some could easily make an argument that pairs is harder. If anything winning a singles at worlds will over shadow winning a team event. "Singles" is traditional and will have more respect as an event. In time I think the skaters would respect each worlds rather it be compulsories, team, or traditional and understand the difference of them; just like the the skaters understand the difference of qualifying for the grandprix final vs. qualifying for worlds. I don't think the grand prix final over shadows worlds. The reason why Olypics always seem to overshadow worlds is the same reason why none of these New world events will ever overshadow "Singles". I think the neat thing about this is that if any federation medal in all three world championships. They have skaters with great technique, they have a strong and relative deep field, and they also have good competitors. I think the compulsory world championship would inspire skaters to improve basic skills. A team world championship will encourage more federation to put all their backing behind more than just one star. I also think haveing three different world championships would give other skaters a greater chance to be a world champion which is something I would love to see; even if they needed help from a fellow team member to achieve it.

 

[Mathman]

I think the team format worked out nicely in events like last year's Campbell's show and the Japan Open.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

MM - You didn't really have a favorite team? Did you?

It was Sasha in the West and Johnny in the East that fans wanted to see.

 

[Mathman]

No, I meant the fall Campbell's Cup, not the December Marshall's viewers vote thing.

The Campbell's event was actually pretty cool. In men's, Team U.S.A. (Weir, Lysacek and Scott Smith) beat Team Japan (Takahashi, Oda and Kensuke Nakaniwa).

In ladies, it was a sweep for Team Japan. Ando beat Sasha in the short, and in the long it was Mao Asada over Kimmie and Mai Asada over Emily.

Team Canada won both pairs (Marcoux/Buntin and Wakamatsu/Fecteau over Team U.S.A.'s Inoue/Baldwin and Nam/Lefteris) and dance (Dubreuil/Lauzon and Virtue/Moir over Belbin/Agosto and Gregory/Petukov.)

Big cash prize for the winners. A good time was had by all.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I'm not into Teams which will change for the sake of TV ratings. I know the results, but do you really care? or is that you just like to watch figure skating?

Joe

 

[Mathman]

I guess I just like figure skating. To me, the team thing gives the event a little extra bite, putting it sort of halfway between an exhibition and a real competition.

As for whether we care who wins, to me, we can ask that about any sporting event. Do I really care that Miki Ando edged out Mao Asada for the world championship, or that some guy named Zach Johnson beat Tiger Woods last weekend? Well, yeah, at the moment, I did, kind of. Anyway, it's important to them.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I do care that the Cardinals beat the Mets last year. Hated that. Baseball is a sport intended to be played by Teams. Not a makeshift temporary team.

Google Figure Skating Fours and see if you think this should be reinstated. My team would be Zhang, Steenberg, Nagasu, Halverson.

Joe

 

[Ladskater]

I would like to see the return of figures to competitive skating. That would up the ante somewhat. It might give the guys who don't have the quad a better advantage....food for thought.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I would like to see the return of figures to competitive skating. That would up the ante somewhat. It might give the guys who don't have the quad a better advantage....food for thought.

It's definitely a Team Sport and it awards 4 Gold Medals to the Winners.

 

[blue dog]

As much as I believe figures are a good part of the competition (fundamentals, change of edges, brackets, three turns, etc), we cannot return to them--two generations of skaters have gone by without figures. The new generation probably never had to learn them--

But then again, if we did bring them back, they will be forced to sink or swim. The value of the figures will have to be more than 20%, however...

Maybe 25% for figures, 35% for SP, and 40% for the FS.
Besides, I think rather than having the points add up in the end, we should keep NJS, but return to factored placements.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

As much as I believe figures are a good part of the competition (fundamentals, change of edges, brackets, three turns, etc), we cannot return to them--two generations of skaters have gone by without figures. The new generation probably never had to learn them--

But then again, if we did bring them back, they will be forced to sink or swim. The value of the figures will have to be more than 20%, however...

Maybe 25% for figures, 35% for SP, and 40% for the FS.
Besides, I think rather than having the points add up in the end, we should keep NJS, but return to factored placements.

What is so important about the SP? What does it actually say about the skater that the LP doesn't do better?

 

[debdelilah]

What is so important about the SP? What does it actually say about the skater that the LP doesn't do better?

Something I didn't realize until recently--the SP has that mandatory -3 for uncompleted required elements, like Mao's 3-1, when she needed at least a 3-2.
So there is more of risk factor for each jump.

But in terms of what it says about a skater...I think many people get tired by the end of an LP, and it makes the performance start to fizzle out, even if it started very well--like Verner's LP at Worlds. An SP can be skated from beginning to end with high energy.

 

[enlight78]

Something I didn't realize until recently--the SP has that mandatory -3 for uncompleted required elements, like Mao's 3-1, when she needed at least a 3-2.
So there is more of risk factor for each jump.

But in terms of what it says about a skater...I think many people get tired by the end of an LP, and it makes the performance start to fizzle out, even if it started very well--like Verner's LP at Worlds. An SP can be skated from beginning to end with high energy.

That is why I think that the short program and the long program are two complete different events in their own right.It is like the 400 meter dash(1/4 of mile) vs. the mile. In track you almost never see some one who runs both. The two runners also usually have completely different body types. What is required to do well in the short is very different from what is required to do well in the long. Maybe the ISu shouldn not expect skaters to do well in both. It is asking the impossible. I bet less than 5% of the skaters can consistantlyskate reasonably clean short and long(no more than two medium mistakes; two footed jump and traveling spin)