a mao and mai video

[ks777]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y18Jic4ysYE

 

[iloveaxel]

How old was Mao at the beginning of the clip? She's so adorable.

Looks like Mai's jump ability was quite strong in the past. She did a 3+3 and a 3A in the clip. The 3A looks fully rotated to me. Unfortunately, Mai has lost her jumps.

 

[ks777]

Mao was 12yo.

 

[iloveaxel]

Mao was 12yo.

R u sure? I was referring to the very beginning, not the one she competed at Japanese nationals. She looked like 10 year old to me.

 

[ks777]

R u sure? I was referring to the very beginning, not the one she competed at Japanese nationals. She looked like 10 year old to me.

I am pretty sure. The first one was her SP when she was 12yo and that's the year he attempted 3axel and 3/3/3 in LP and underroated them.

As for Mai, yes she was very consistant with her jumps when she was 14-15yo but she had some injuries and never been consistant with her jumps ever since. Her triple axel attept at Jr worlds in the video, was slightly underroated. I know because I have seen it on TV and Nancy Kerrigan showed the slow motion of the jump and it was a half turn cheated.

 

[iloveaxel]

I am pretty sure. The first one was her SP when she was 12yo and that's the year he attempted 3axel and 3/3/3 in LP and underroated them.

As for Mai, yes she was very consistant with her jumps when she was 14-15yo but she had some injuries and never been consistant with her jumps ever since. Her triple axel attept at Jr worlds in the video, was slightly underroated. I know because I have seen it on TV and Nancy Kerrigan showed the slow motion of the jump and it was a half turn cheated.

I guess puberty monster also contributed to Mai's jump problem. What sort of triples can Mai still do these days? I don't believe she does lots of combo jumps in her long program?

 

[ks777]

I guess puberty monster also contributed to Mai's jump problem. What sort of triples can Mai still do these days? I don't believe she does lots of combo jumps in her long program?

actually she has 3luts(flutz),3flip, 3loop, 3salcow and 3toe. She just needs to get her consistancy back.
No, she doesn't do a lot of combos because she tends to toe-axel her 2toe jump when she is nervous. At one point, she was doing 2loop istead of 2toe-axel but haven't seen her doing that anymore. I hope her coach can really work on her jumps and spins during the off season.

 

[iloveaxel]

actually she has 3luts(flutz),3flip, 3loop, 3salcow and 3toe. She just needs to get her consistancy back.
No, she doesn't do a lot of combos because she tends to toe-axel her 2toe jump when she is nervous. At one point, she was doing 2loop istead of 2toe-axel but haven't seen her doing that anymore. I hope her coach can really work on her jumps and spins during the off season.

wow, she can still do 5 triples. I didn't realize that. I think Mai is just ignored by her coach these days since Mao obviously gets all his love. Maybe Mai should go back to Japan?

I hope Mao can work out her 3sal and 3toe. It's pretty dangerous for her to reply on 3A. If she loses 3A, she'll be left in dust. That's not some unfanthomable possibility considering how quickly a skater can lose her/his most difficult jumps.

 

[ks777]

Mao has the 3toe loop now. She just underrotated her 2axel/3toe at worlds. I wouldn't worry about her toe. As for her Salcow, I haven't seen her do one for a long time now. I know she was practicing 4sal at one point so I know she can do a 3sal. The reason why she stopped doing one in competitions is unknown.

 

[morninglight]

Mao's 3S

Isn't that partly because of the lower base value of 3S when she has consistent 3Loop, 3F and 3Lutz (even though a bit deducted for flutz)?

 

[iloveaxel]

Isn't that partly because of the lower base value of 3S when she has consistent 3Loop, 3F and 3Lutz (even though a bit deducted for flutz)?

We don't know the true reason and probably won't find out unless Mao loses her 3A. But my guess is that Mao's 3sal and 3t are not consistent at all.

She included a new jump element 2A+3T this season, but twice got downgraded on 3T amid three times in total(i believe).

 

[morninglight]

It would be nice she would include 3S and 3T next seasons. It would give more interesting variations in her program.

 

[iloveaxel]

It would be nice she would include 3S and 3T next seasons. It would give more interesting variations in her program.

No, she won't even she is able to do them consistently. 3S and 3T won't garner her any more points. She has 3A and does not need those two triples in the meantime.

 

[ks777]

We don't know the true reason and probably won't find out unless Mao loses her 3A. But my guess is that Mao's 3sal and 3t are not consistent at all.

She included a new jump element 2A+3T this season, but twice got downgraded on 3T amid three times in total(i believe).

Doing a 3toe in a combo is much much harder than a solo 3toe.

 

[iloveaxel]

Doing a 3toe in a combo is much much harder than a solo 3toe.

True, but for Mao, that should not be a big problem if her 3toe technique is sound since generally speaking Mao has wonderful ump height in her second jump of a combo.

If her 3toe is sound, why does not she replace the solo 2A with a 3toe, which has more points?

 

[morninglight]

No, she won't even she is able to do them consistently. 3S and 3T won't garner her any more points. She has 3A and does not need those two triples in the meantime.

Yeah, she is okay now, but what if ISU changes the Zayak rule to penalize the programs that have limited kinds of jumps.

 

[ks777]

True, but for Mao, that should not be a big problem if her 3toe technique is sound since generally speaking Mao has wonderful ump height in her second jump of a combo.

If her 3toe is sound, why does not she replace the solo 2A with a 3toe, which has more points?

She just corrected her toe-loop jump technique with her new coach. I think it takes sometime to get used to doing that jump.

 

[floskate]

Thanks for the link - loved the video.

I was amazed how much Mao's 3t has improved in such a short space of time. Mai also corrected hers too I think? So by next season I'm sure it will be more consistent. She was leaning waaaay out of the circle on it at Worlds though so there was no way she could have landed that cleanly.

I'd also love to see Mao bring back her sal. She hates the jump though and from early vids I have seen, has a tendency to over rotate it. Although she landed it cleanly at 2003/04 Nationals which is the last time I saw her do it.

 

[Tinymavy15]

wow thanks for posting. You gotta love these girls' smiles. And mao's 3/3/3!!!!! I wish she would try that now!!!

 

[Zuranthium]

She has 3A and does not need those two triples in the meantime.

If she had done 3Sal instead of a second 2Axle at the Worlds, she would have taken the Gold.

~Z