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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

Sofia Akatieva has a interesting SP, that show helped her to perform better, she grew up a lot and is already becoming well-known for someone who isn’t even an international junior. Well deserved as she’s a skilled skater. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL2OyIdAVgc

Elizaveta Berestovskaia looked less "natural", maybe she was nervous in the first part- oh, man she also matured a lot, looks taller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHuW5-e_m2o

Ksenia Tsibinova was brillant, she skates with so much maturity for her age https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-wv-ygIKGA

Sofia Samodelkina looked a bit nervous too, good SP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksK3lr-fH6I&t

Anna Frolova is also lovely and delicate, but I don't quite like this program https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgtCDy0y4B0

I'm starting to like better Davydov's skaters than Panova's. Better jumps and packaging, more like Eteri's. He is coming after her :))

2 Sofias, Ksenia and Anna were so wonderful.
Sofia A has a natural performer quality, she looked so relaxed, Ksenia has such beautiful arms.
I would also add that Sofia S was incredible, so much sophistication in a little child.

Yep, the depth is kind of incredible. These novices are better than most juniors at JGP we've seen.
 
Just to add to the leg extension discussion:

Generally, I love leg extensions, even in figure skating. (I grew up a contemporary dancer. If I didn't appreciate lines I think my teachers would show up to my house and shoot me.)

And Kamila's lines are to die for. She has incredibly long legs, great control over them, and her legs are so gorgeously rod-straight in the air that it would be a great shame not to use them in her programs.

Now that I've established that I love leg extensions in skating, and Kamila's leg extensions, I have to say that in my opinion, the sheer number of leg extensions in Kamila's SP is a bit too much to be appreciated fully. Or maybe it's not about the number - more about the timing in regards to the music.

Because, for the first half of the program, the music playing is Spiegel im Spiegel. It's soft, slow, meditative, relaxed, and (there's probably a better word) dull. There isn't much happening musically. So it is kind of strange to see Kamila rapidly whacking her leg up and down multiple times to notes that are barely audible.

This isn't only about her leg extensions. I've noticed that Kamila has a very sharp, succinct way of moving. She is graceful, but she is also sharp in the sense that she accentuates each movement, and I think it gives her lots of artistic character and I quite like it, she stands out because of it. But it does look a little bit odd in the beginning of her SP, when there are only a few dull notes playing in the background, spaced out and barely heard, and her movements are as though she is skating to the opening of, say, Palladio. It's odd. I don't hate it, but it's jarring and I can see why some people don't like it.

So when she does her leg extensions, that isn't just a movement of her arms, or the upper body. Kamila moving her long, long legs is basically an entire body movement, and when she does it so fast (the way it's choreographed), so sharply (the way she naturally moves), it's a large, sharp, very very noticeable movement and I have to say that it does not suit the first half of her SP to be kicking all over the place the way that she is.

At the risk of sounding like TSL - I'm sorry - I think that it would fit her slow, meditative music a lot more if she would cut down on the number of leg extensions, but increase the time spent doing them. That is, maybe instead of six leg kicks, she does two leg holds (random numbers, but you get the point). It would better suit the music, and I think it would even suit the acrobat in a painting narrative better, since the image of a contortionist typically moves slowly into their position and holds it, then moves out. It is of course harder to hold a leg extension than to just kick, but with Kamila's level of control and flexibility I think she is definitely capable of it.

I love Kamila's leg extensions with all my heart. That's why I would personally love to see them as actual extensions and not just kicks. However, at the end of the day that's just my opinion and I'm no expert.
 
At the risk of sounding like TSL - I'm sorry - I think that it would fit her slow, meditative music a lot more if she would cut down on the number of leg extensions, but increase the time spent doing them. That is, maybe instead of six leg kicks, she does two leg holds (random numbers, but you get the point). It would better suit the music, and I think it would even suit the acrobat in a painting narrative better, since the image of a contortionist typically moves slowly into their position and holds it, then moves out. It is of course harder to hold a leg extension than to just kick, but with Kamila's level of control and flexibility I think she is definitely capable of it.

I love Kamila's leg extensions with all my heart. That's why I would personally love to see them as actual extensions and not just kicks. However, at the end of the day that's just my opinion and I'm no expert.

Kamila Valiyeva was trained in rhythmic gymnastics as a child and still follows the sport. Those leg lifts are basic elements in RSG.

Making minimal music like Spiegel im Spiegel look interesting and captivating is only possible when you attract the focus of attention, and Kamila does just that. Not just any skater has the quality of movement, puts the accents, the little touches exactly right.
IMO, #TeamTurberidzeForProgress created a timeless masterpiece in this routine, a routine that defines the young Kamila Valiyeva and distinguished her from the other girl skaters.
 
Sofia Akatieva has a interesting SP, that show helped her to perform better, she grew up a lot and is already becoming well-known for someone who isn’t even an international junior. Well deserved as she’s a skilled skater. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL2OyIdAVgc

Elizaveta Berestovskaia looked less "natural", maybe she was nervous in the first part- oh, man she also matured a lot, looks taller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHuW5-e_m2o

Ksenia Tsibinova was brillant, she skates with so much maturity for her age https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-wv-ygIKGA

Sofia Samodelkina looked a bit nervous too, good SP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksK3lr-fH6I&t

Anna Frolova is also lovely and delicate, but I don't quite like this program https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgtCDy0y4B0

I'm starting to like better Davydov's skaters than Panova's. Better jumps and packaging, more like Eteri's. He is coming after her :))

And so few falls compared to the JGP qualifications. Are there protocols available anywhere, because judging seemed quite strict. And it needs to be at this moment and level, many of these skaters will be in contention for JPG next year, some even for the coming Olympics.

Still, six wonderful skaters with less than 3 points out of 66 difference?
 
It would better suit the music, and I think it would even suit the acrobat in a painting narrative better, since the image of a contortionist typically moves slowly into their position and holds it, then moves out.

However, at the end of the day that's just my opinion and I'm no expert.

You seem to use the terms interchangeably, however, contortionist and acrobat aren't necessarily the same thing.
Contortionist is a performer that twists the body in unusual/somewhat shocking shapes and is generally moving slowly.
Acrobat is a broader term, generally means performance with more athletic or gymnast like qualities and is essentially very close to artistic gymnastics, and acrobats can be fast and sharp.
 
You seem to use the terms interchangeably, however, contortionist and acrobat aren't necessarily the same thing.
Contortionist is a performer that twists the body in unusual/somewhat shocking shapes and is generally moving slowly.
Acrobat is a broader term, generally means performance with more athletic or gymnast like qualities and is essentially very close to artistic gymnastics, and acrobats can be fast and sharp.

Sorry, you're right. I know quite little about acrobatics and such, and I'm not sure which Kamila is portraying - I think an acrobat but I'm not 100% sure? The Picasso painting has always given me the impression of the girl holding that image rather than being quick, but that isn't so much about the acrobat, that's more of the fact that it is...a painting.

Still, even if we discard the image of the girl on the ball entirely, the fast movements don't suit the first half of the music. If there was a spam of leg movements towards the end where the music swells I would honestly love that.
 
Gorshkov, FFKKR president ask for restraint coming Test Skates

Gorshkov urges not to judge the Test Skates of figure skaters of the Russian national team in Moscow too strictly

Test Skates will be held on September 7 and 8 at the Luzhniki Small Sports Arena

The President of the Russian Figure Skating Federation Alexander Gorshkov urges not to strictly judge the performances of their new competitive programs from the members of the national team during the Test Skates.
He spoke about the upcoming starts on Wednesday during a press conference on "City Day" in Luzhniki.

Test Skates of the best Russian skaters will be held on September 7 and 8 at the Luzhniki Small Sports Arena.

“Why are the Test Skates held so early? In order for the athletes to have enough time before the start of the main competitive period to make corrections, to fix something. On the 7th and 8th the athletes will show the new programs that have not been fully skated yet, plus they will worry. Therefore, please do not judge them too strictly, the main thing for them now is support, because they need to prepare themselves for the new season", Gorshkov said.

In the Test Skates, in particular, Olympic Champion Alina Zagitova and two-time world champion, silver medalist of the Games Yevgeniya Medvyedeva will have to perform.
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source: https://tass.ru/sport/6841588

Probably meant at both the press, the tabloids and general fandom.
We'll see what comes of his plea, I still expect a crazy rush.
 
Still, even if we discard the image of the girl on the ball entirely, the fast movements don't suit the first half of the music. If there was a spam of leg movements towards the end where the music swells I would honestly love that.

I don't think slow music requires solely slow and fluid movements. In your view, would you say that every single piece has requirements and limitations on how dancers should be moving to it?
I think people are used to the "what move is expected to be done with this music", but that is not to be confused with "this is how it should be".
Some dancers use slow music for fast and sharp movements, which is considered creative and unexpected. (I'll link you the article that discusses this topic in DMs)
Musicality does not depend on the "speed", but on the timing. An interesting quote I found about this is: "Dancers do not always want to mimic the music".
There are no requirements on how to move to a certain piece.
I believe it depends on the taste, preferences and what we were conditioned to.
The fact that some people find it excessive is a matter of taste but it is still a valid opinion.

But in some cases, it's like a casual viewer seeing a waacker dancing for the first time and saying that has too many arm movements. Yeah, possibly, however, it's not out of place given that's a genre and it's done purposefully. Similarly, people who criticize Zheleznyakov's dance classes seem to miss that he's doing a particular modern style of dance, it's not something very usual to what we see in movies or tv, but it doesn't mean it's wrong or has no right to exist.

I enjoy unusual things and variety. Not everyone does, however, I think it's the matter of personal preferences, not a set of rules from a rulebook.
 
I don't think slow music requires solely slow and fluid movements. In your view, would you say that every single piece has requirements and limitations on how dancers should be moving to it?
I think people are used to the "what move is expected to be done with this music", but that is not to be confused with "this is how it should be".
Some dancers use slow music for fast movements, which is considered creative and unexpected. (I'll link you the article that discusses this topic in DMs)
Musicality does not depend on the "speed", but on the timing. An interesting quote I found about this is: "Dancers do not always want to mimic the music".
There are no requirements on how to move to a certain piece.
I believe it depends on the taste, preferences and what we were conditioned to.
The fact that some people find it excessive is a matter of taste but it is still a valid opinion.

But in some cases, it's like a casual viewer seeing a waacker dancing for the first time and saying that has too many arm movements. Yeah, possibly, however, it's not out of place given that's a genre and it's done purposefully. Similarly, people who criticize Zheleznyakov's dance classes seem to miss that he's doing a particular modern style of dance, it's not something very usual to what we see in movies or tv, but it doesn't mean it's wrong or has no right to exist.

I enjoy unusual things and variety. Not everyone does, however, I think it's the matter of personal preferences, not a set of rules from a rulebook.

Oh yes, I see your viewpoint and I actually kind of agree. Off the ice I quite like modern interpretations of old music where they try to do things different from how you would typically choreograph to the music.

But since that's already quite common in modern/contemporary dance, I guess the question is whether figure skating is really ready for that kind of an art movement. We're barely even over the princess programs. Upbeat modern programs generally don't do as well in PCS as compared to the conventional ones like tango or lyrical type programs. Kamila's SP still falls under the generic realm when it comes to everything other than the excessive leg kicks, so it does fine and everyone loves it. But if anyone went a step further and just brought a whole strange, modern art style to figure skating I wonder if people would enjoy it or if they would be horrified and scandalised.

But I would really like to see that. Kamila's SP isn't that far towards contemporary and strange for me to see it that way (to me it seems like a lyrical program that tells a story, very beautiful and well-executed but nothing really out of the box), but if someone came along skating to Spiegel im Spiegel and did all kinds of strange movements interpreting the musical timing in their own way, hitting strange poses, hunching purposefully, going off the music with choreographic intention, maybe doing bent leg extensions instead of straight ones, etc, just going full quirky modern dance with it...I would love that. It's just that I can imagine a whole lot of people loathing it.

You raise a really good point. I'd like to see more of that in FS, but personally I don't see Kamila's program as anything of that style. It's really only a few moments in it that would make it seem that way, everything else is still quite ordinary in terms of choreography.
 
You raise a really good point. I'd like to see more of that in FS, but personally I don't see Kamila's program as anything of that style. It's really only a few moments in it that would make it seem that way, everything else is still quite ordinary in terms of choreography.



I don't see it as modern or contemporary dance. (and I don't think that modern dancing necessarily = hitting strange poses)
My point was that it's not something that should be called "wrong" simply because it's not what people are used to, it's "different".
I don't know how to classify it and I don't think there's a need to. I think choreographers should be allowed to do things differently and not be limited to a set of rules.

I agree with you, I think figure skating has this bias of seeing only several types of dances as artistic and is kind of a little conservative in that respect.
 
Oh yes, I see your viewpoint and I actually kind of agree. Off the ice I quite like modern interpretations of old music where they try to do things different from how you would typically choreograph to the music.

But since that's already quite common in modern/contemporary dance, I guess the question is whether figure skating is really ready for that kind of an art movement. We're barely even over the princess programs. Upbeat modern programs generally don't do as well in PCS as compared to the conventional ones like tango or lyrical type programs. Kamila's SP still falls under the generic realm when it comes to everything other than the excessive leg kicks, so it does fine and everyone loves it. But if anyone went a step further and just brought a whole strange, modern art style to figure skating I wonder if people would enjoy it or if they would be horrified and scandalised.

But I would really like to see that. Kamila's SP isn't that far towards contemporary and strange for me to see it that way (to me it seems like a lyrical program that tells a story, very beautiful and well-executed but nothing really out of the box), but if someone came along skating to Spiegel im Spiegel and did all kinds of strange movements interpreting the musical timing in their own way, hitting strange poses, hunching purposefully, going off the music with choreographic intention, maybe doing bent leg extensions instead of straight ones, etc, just going full quirky modern dance with it...I would love that. It's just that I can imagine a whole lot of people loathing it.

You raise a really good point. I'd like to see more of that in FS, but personally I don't see Kamila's program as anything of that style. It's really only a few moments in it that would make it seem that way, everything else is still quite ordinary in terms of choreography.

You are making some interesting points too. I think we should give her some time. By the end of the season, this program will look entirely different I think. The girl is still focused to just deliver it. When she overcame that point the program will reveal on its own.

But of course, there are always significant or insignificant, details or major aspect that can be improved in any program. When I imaginary choreography the skaters in my mind, usually I do entirely different stuff than what they choreographers do or what they deliver.
 
Sergey Rozanov's style of choreo?

Since Sergey Rozanov is the main trainer of the children and novices at Khrustalniy, and qualified for and capable of choreography.

I am trying to detect his style in the young skaters we saw today: Sof'ya Akat'yeva and Adeliya Petrosyan.

I really liked Petrosyan's energetic routine with many quirks, touches and uncommon hooks and turns, she has been doing well under the Tutberidze Effect. A choreo full of movements of arms, hands, head and body, never a dull moment.

Is this slightly angular style the trademark of Rozanov?

Akat'yeva has been with Rozanov for a considerable while longer than Petrosyan, so Sof'ya choreo might already have been more established and imprinted with the touch of Rozanov?

Any what key movements, embellishments, details to look for that are typical Rozanov's?
 
I don't see it as modern or contemporary dance. (and I don't think that modern dancing necessarily = hitting strange poses)
My point was that it's not something that should be called "wrong" simply because it's not what people are used to, it's "different".
I don't know how to classify it and I don't think there's a need to. I think choreographers should be allowed to do things differently and not be limited to a set of rules.

I agree with you, I think figure skating has this bias of seeing only several types of dances as artistic and is kind of a little conservative in that respect.

Oh sorry, then I misunderstood your post. But I've read it again and I do agree with you completely. :laugh:
 
Since Sergey Rozanov is the main trainer of the children and novices at Khrustalniy, and qualified for and capable of choreography.

I am trying to detect his style in the young skaters we saw today: Sof'ya Akat'yeva and Adeliya Petrosyan.

I really liked Petrosyan's energetic routine with many quirks, touches and uncommon hooks and turns, she has been doing well under the Tutberidze Effect. A choreo full of movements of arms, hands, head and body, never a dull moment.

Is this slightly angular style the trademark of Rozanov?

Akat'yeva has been with Rozanov for a considerable while longer than Petrosyan, so Sof'ya choreo might already have been more established and imprinted with the touch of Rozanov?

Any what key movements, embellishments, details to look for that typical Rozanov's?

I think Akatieva trains in the main group now, not the younger group which mainly works with both Sergeis. I’m sure she still works with Rozanov too but I’m not sure if he did her programs this season.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, these are the participants on test skates:

Alina Zagitova
Evgenia Medvedeva
Sofia Samodurova
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
Alexandra Trusova
Anna Shcherbakova
Aliona Kostornaya
Stanislava Konstantinova
Anastasia Gubanova


So 9 people. Wish they would invite 3 more girls. So many more are so good, I wanna see all.
 
Just to add to the leg extension discussion:

Generally, I love leg extensions, even in figure skating. (I grew up a contemporary dancer. If I didn't appreciate lines I think my teachers would show up to my house and shoot me.)

And Kamila's lines are to die for. She has incredibly long legs, great control over them, and her legs are so gorgeously rod-straight in the air that it would be a great shame not to use them in her programs.

Now that I've established that I love leg extensions in skating, and Kamila's leg extensions, I have to say that in my opinion, the sheer number of leg extensions in Kamila's SP is a bit too much to be appreciated fully. Or maybe it's not about the number - more about the timing in regards to the music.

Because, for the first half of the program, the music playing is Spiegel im Spiegel. It's soft, slow, meditative, relaxed, and (there's probably a better word) dull. There isn't much happening musically. So it is kind of strange to see Kamila rapidly whacking her leg up and down multiple times to notes that are barely audible.

This isn't only about her leg extensions. I've noticed that Kamila has a very sharp, succinct way of moving. She is graceful, but she is also sharp in the sense that she accentuates each movement, and I think it gives her lots of artistic character and I quite like it, she stands out because of it. But it does look a little bit odd in the beginning of her SP, when there are only a few dull notes playing in the background, spaced out and barely heard, and her movements are as though she is skating to the opening of, say, Palladio. It's odd. I don't hate it, but it's jarring and I can see why some people don't like it.

So when she does her leg extensions, that isn't just a movement of her arms, or the upper body. Kamila moving her long, long legs is basically an entire body movement, and when she does it so fast (the way it's choreographed), so sharply (the way she naturally moves), it's a large, sharp, very very noticeable movement and I have to say that it does not suit the first half of her SP to be kicking all over the place the way that she is.

At the risk of sounding like TSL - I'm sorry - I think that it would fit her slow, meditative music a lot more if she would cut down on the number of leg extensions, but increase the time spent doing them. That is, maybe instead of six leg kicks, she does two leg holds (random numbers, but you get the point). It would better suit the music, and I think it would even suit the acrobat in a painting narrative better, since the image of a contortionist typically moves slowly into their position and holds it, then moves out. It is of course harder to hold a leg extension than to just kick, but with Kamila's level of control and flexibility I think she is definitely capable of it.

I love Kamila's leg extensions with all my heart. That's why I would personally love to see them as actual extensions and not just kicks. However, at the end of the day that's just my opinion and I'm no expert.

Sadly, as long as quantity instead of quality of transitions is rewarded, we will see lots of random leg kicks and arms flailing. It often looks like they are kicking something or chasing flies away.

To me the random horsey leg kicks ruin the program for me. It interrupts the flow. It often feels not even part of choreography, but as trying to shake off a cramp or something...
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, these are the participants on test skates:

Alina Zagitova
Evgenia Medvedeva
Sofia Samodurova
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
Alexandra Trusova
Anna Shcherbakova
Aliona Kostornaya
Stanislava Konstantinova
Anastasia Gubanova


So 9 people. Wish they would invite 3 more girls. So many more are so good, I wanna see all.

Shouldn’t Serafima and Maria also attend as they have GP? Or just the national team is invited?
 
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