2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[mathlike]

Evgenia's jumping looked pretty good today, but looking closer the edge on her lutz was clearly inside and 3T was under:

https://streamable.com/l76ro
https://img34.pixhost.to/images/497/120889470_1.png

 

[monochrom3]

Just watched Evgenia’s SP from ACI, and I’m glad she skated clean today. I couldn’t get really see her Lutz edge from the angle of the camera but it did look better than at test Skates (although still looked like an ! to me) Overall I think the jumps looked better and she put out a good effort. The program will never be my cup of tea probably, the music is too mellow and I feel the choreo is equally mellow and doesn’t really do her justice as much as it could have. But its better than her programs last year. I just wished they would have done more with it. I didn’t like Kamila’s Exogenesis a great deal either (because I don’t find the music really effective in either program, or in any program) but I did prefer it more somewhat as a program. I think Evgenia could have benefited with a high kick or two in the program to be honest. She’s a dramatic girl, and she can definitely do well with a more dramatic program.

As to the costume. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a jumpsuit inherently, and there have been some mighty nice jump suits I’ve seen on ladies in the past. But the two little flap things on Evgenia’s costume is something I wish I had a pair of scissors to just CUT IT OFF. Its really distracting and obstructs her lines on the ice, which I feel is something no costume should be doing. Its not as effective as it could be either in terms of color or cut or style, in enhancing the program — which I’ve always believed to be the entire point to having the costume at all. Its not a great choice and its got nothing to do with whether its a jumpsuit or not.

 

[Carolwoolf]

Tbh, I was looking forward her FS and wasn’t paying much attention on the SP
But I can see it turning on my favourite SP of her -don’t think she’s performing to it’s fully potential yet but I’m sure it will progress as the season goes and she gets more confident
Also, loved to see her working with Averbuck again- despite all the criticism,I actually enjoyed his past choreos for her and think they work well together
About the body suit: at first, I didn’t like it at all, but saw some pictures on instagram and it seemed nice (even that piece of fabric on her arm, it looks like blue flames on some of them)- I think the problem is that the colours seems a bit “washed out” live

 

[Jontor]

Evgenia's jumping looked pretty good today, but looking closer the edge on her lutz was clearly inside and 3T was under:

https://streamable.com/l76ro
https://img34.pixhost.to/images/497/120889470_1.png

I think Zhenya's 3T was borderline. It's a quarter under, and that's ok, no?
And the 3Lz was a typical Zhenya Lutz. She has a flat edge on the takeoff imo, and she has always got away with it. Here they gave her ! and that's fair. But it didn't mean any point loss. She scored 1.87 more points than Kihira's 3L, so mission accomplished.

But if you compare with Karen Chen it's interesting. She was judged < on the 3T comb and << on her 3L. That was harsh.

 

[Jontor]

Just saw the time schedule for Lombardia Trophy tomorrow

Tuktamysheva 14:36 (first to skate)
Shcherbakova 14:46
Samodurova 16:11

All CET time

This will be really interesting

 

[mathlike]

I think Zhenya's 3T was borderline. It's a quarter under, and that's ok, no?
And the 3Lz was a typical Zhenya Lutz. She has a flat edge on the takeoff imo, and she has always got away with it. Here they gave her ! and that's fair. But it didn't mean any point loss. She scored 1.87 more points than Kihira's 3L, so mission accomplished.

More like 120°. I'd say it was similar landing to Alysa's 4Lz, just with better video proof. Nothing drastic, anyway.

 

[Carolwoolf]

Evgenia's jumping looked pretty good today, but looking closer the edge on her lutz was clearly inside and 3T was under:

https://streamable.com/l76ro
https://img34.pixhost.to/images/497/120889470_1.png

She got called “!” for the lutz, but since it got a few extra points for being on second half of the program, it ended up not being a terrible idea to put the lutz on the SP point-wise, just a bit risky

 

[Jontor]

She got called “!” for the lutz, but since it got a few extra points for being on second half of the program, it ended up not being a terrible idea to put the lutz on the SP point-wise, just a bit risky

With the ! she got 1.06 extra GOE points for the Lutz + the 10% bonus, so I think it's the right strategy to have it in the short. She knows she needs it, even if she gets edge calls by the judges.

 

[mathlike]

Just saw the time schedule for Lombardia Trophy tomorrow

Tuktamysheva 14:36 (first to skate)
Shcherbakova 14:46
Samodurova 16:11

Aren't higher ranked skaters placed in later draw groups in challengers?

 

[Jontor]

Aren't higher ranked skaters placed in later draw groups in challengers?

Not in the short.

Karen Chen was first at Autumn Classic and the judges were really hard on her. So this will be a challenge for Liza. It's never good to go out first. And Anna is 3rd!! Good for Sofia though, she's in the last group.

 

[Canadianskatingfan]

The technical panel must have been wearing sunglasses during medvedeva 3Lutz. It’s not an unclear edge, it’s a clear inside. I love medvedeva’s skating but I think the way she gets scored is unfair. She obviously deserves 2nd at this competition but I don’t think she deserved the score of 75.

 

[Maagii]

The technical panel must have been wearing sunglasses during medvedeva 3Lutz. It’s not an unclear edge, it’s a clear inside. I love medvedeva’s skating but I think the way she gets scored is unfair. She obviously deserves 2nd at this competition but I don’t think she deserved the score of 75.

I agree with you on that. Absolutely.

 

[Mathman]

Evgenia's jumping looked pretty good today, but looking closer the edge on her lutz was clearly inside and 3T was under:

https://streamable.com/l76ro
https://img34.pixhost.to/images/497/120889470_1.png

Are you pretending that these shots prove anything? To me, the only thing they prove is that there is some person out there who has nothing to do but make stupid videos to troll a skater he/she doesn't like for other (and unworthy) reasons.

 

[mathlike]

The technical panel must have been wearing sunglasses during medvedeva 3Lutz. It’s not an unclear edge, it’s a clear inside. I love medvedeva’s skating but I think the way she gets scored is unfair. She obviously deserves 2nd at this competition but I don’t think she deserved the score of 75.

Agreed, but she deserves props for executing it in the most uncomfortable place for judges eyes. Even in slowmo her other leg obstructs the view on the edge a little bit.

 

[Ice Dance]

Once again, there have been a million posts here since I last posted so I don't know if this has already been posted. But Vasilieva and Tarakanova are now the two ladies listed for Poland.

It just doesn't look to me like Kanysheva is going to make it back for two events. (We'll probably be lucky if we see her in Italy).

 

[Mathman]

What the scoring really shows is how far out of whack the IJS has drifted from its purpose. Rika did a triple Axel That gave her a 5 point advantage in TES. We could all go home after she landed that element. For that matter, we should give the Grand Prix Final to Trusova right now ad save ourselves the trouble of actually watching the performances.

This is what is behind the ISU scratching its head over the possibility of having separate technical and artistic programs, and other radical-sounding schemes.

 

[Jontor]

Once again, there have been a million posts here since I last posted so I don't know if this has already been posted. But Vasilieva and Tarakanova are now the two ladies listed for Poland.

It just doesn't look to me like Kanysheva is going to make it back for two events. (We'll probably be lucky if we see her in Italy).

That is bad news. I feared Kanysheva wasn't gonna make it. Does this mean that Frolova will get an event?

 

[Jontor]

What the scoring really shows is how far out of whack the IJS has drifted from its purpose. Rika did a triple Axel That gave her a 5 point advantage in TES. We could all go home after she landed that element. For that matter, we should give the Grand Prix Final to Trusova right now ad save ourselves the trouble of actually watching the performances.

This is what is behind the ISU scratching its head over the possibility of having separate technical and artistic programs, and other radical-sounding schemes.

What the ISU need to do is to totally change the PCS components. Throw out SS and Transitions (why not make those two a technical element?) and add more artistic categories to the PCS so it is balanced 50/50 to the TES score.

 

[mathlike]

What the scoring really shows is how far out of whack the IJS has drifted from its purpose. Rika did a triple Axel That gave her a 5 point advantage in TES. We could all go home after she landed that element. For that matter, we should give the Grand Prix Final to Trusova right now ad save ourselves the trouble of actually watching the performances.

I'm not sure I understand - we should stop watching the sport, because some skater is technically dominant?

 

[colormyworld240]

Eteri "let" Yulia get on the ice in this dress of course if I remember correctly at this point there had already been speculation that Yulia wanted to leave or was going to leave - Eteri might've been done with her at that point.



Because that would be acknowledging Zagitova has a technical disadvantage and she and her coaching team have put her in the same position that Evgenia was in 2018 - they watched a couple of junior girls train more difficult elements and from what we can see (and this is a group that appears to love to post on instagram their difficult jumps) hasn't done much in the way of training elements to match those Jr girls. Now those Jr. girls are seniors and she's got to play catch-up. The benefits she has over Evgenia is that she's 2 years out from the Olympics so she can possibly train quads and/or a triple axel and hopefully overcome any injuries that she might get trying to train the elements, whereas Evgenia it was an Olympic year she had to attempt to play the points game that Alina had. Additionally she has the benefit that she' been to and won the Olympics - it might be a bit of stain on her career for the talking heads and internet forums to talk about if she never makes it to another major competition again, but she's won everything at the end of the day; she could retire today with an incredibly successful senior career.

Just to clarify, I don't think Eteri puts anyone at a disadvantage. Everyone performs to their maximum ability, including jumps, and Eteri does right by the girls by giving them all an equal chance. It just so happens that Sasha and Anna have quads, and Alina doesn't (yet). Same with with the Olympic season, Alina had a fully backloaded program repeating the most difficult jumps, and Evgenia didn't. I don't think the team is gaming the points to set a skater to beat another; they're letting the skaters do what they're capable of. In terms of jumps, Alina's triples are just as good as Sasha's and Anna's so the difference is only the quads and they clearly have been helping Alina because she had good jumps, lost some due to puberty, and now post puberty her jumps are as good, if not better, than they were pre-puberty. Everyone works at their own pace to their own abilities. It's the skaters who put themselves in positions, not the coaching team.