2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[TA91]

I think Euclidus referring to the fact that she can't do a quad in the sp. Which I agree is unfair considering there are more girls doing quads than triple axels at the moment, and it gives an unfair advantage to those who can do a 3A as their "hard jump".

No, more ladies are still doing triple axels. At the moment, we have Yelim, Rika, Liza, Sof'ya, Ayaka, Alysa to Sasha, Anna, Kamila, Alysa and Elizabet doing quads

 

[fabienne1996]

Yes Sasha is amazing with her quads, but still for me I do not recognize anything from her free skate that makes me think that she is portraying daenerys targaeryen,nothing not her costume and not her skating like you could put any other music track there and she would skate the same programm there is nothing that makes you say oh look this is clearly something about game of thrones or daenerys targaeryen, I am not saying she is bad at skating or anything like that cause she isn't she is an amazing jumper but her programms are just not mine, she is great to look at but I would not look at her programm more than once or twice cause I just do not feel anything while watching her skate besides she she jumpsnthose quads. , she doesn't touch me the way zhenya, alena and Anna do.

 

[lzxnl]

Say current ladies SP requires an axel. 2Ax or 3Ax as there is no 4Ax ever landed.

Let allow either 2Ax or 3Ax or above.
Sasha cannot do Axel but she has a stable 4T. She could benefit much.

I'm sure that when people decided to train a 3A instead of a 4T, for instance, it was done keeping in mind the rule of allowing 3As in the short but not 4Ts. You can argue that changing the rules to allow quads in the short is unfair to those who trained 3As. And I would say there are more women training 3As than there are training quads.

Kihira, Tuktamysheva, You, Sakamoto, Higuchi, Tursynbaeva, Kostornaia, Yokoi, Hosoda, Miyahara in seniors
vs
Trusova, Scherbakova, Tursynbaeva, Medvedeva, Zagitova (possibly), Kihira, Hosoda (possibly)

Current skaters using a 3A:
Kihira, Tuktamysheva, You

Current skaters using a quad:
Trusova, Scherbakova, Tursynbaeva

Please add to this list if you can think of any other seniors. The numbers don't actually favour the quad jumpers all that much, if at all. It's not the fault of the 3A jumpers that the 4-jumpers decided to not learn a 3A.

Suppose one year, the flip was the compulsory solo jump for juniors. Is it then suddenly unfair for any junior skater that only knows flip combinations?

 

[Jontor]

Why is Gulyakova skating to Carmen? That only makes me compare it to Alina and that is not a comparison you want. Bad decision.

 

[Edwin]

Why is Gulyakova skating to Carmen? That only makes me compare it to Alina and that is not a comparison you want. Bad decision.

True. Gleikhengauz stated in an interview the team staged Carmen for Alina is such an authoritative way, no skater would achieve the same impact with the image and music for quite some time. First Alina needs to be forgotten, but will the figure skating community and professionals ever forget Alina?

 

[VenusHalley]

True. Gleikhengauz stated in an interview the team staged Carmen for Alina is such an authoritative way, no skater would achieve the same impact with the image and music for quite some time. First Alina needs to be forgotten, but will the figure skating community and professionals ever forget Alina?

Quite a few juniors skate to Carmen too.

I think he said nobody will bother skate to Carmen, something to that effect.

Alina's Carmen was well constructed, won the points, but was not that great of program. This year... programs will be much more enjoyable, can't wait to see them skated on in proper costumes (please just no changy gimmicks. Maybe just flip sequins, if you must).

 

[Elucidus]

What rules would you like to implement instead?

It's simple. Allow quads in SP for ladies.

 

[fabienne1996]

True. Gleikhengauz stated in an interview the team staged Carmen for Alina is such an authoritative way, no skater would achieve the same impact with the image and music for quite some time. First Alina needs to be forgotten, but will the figure skating community and professionals ever forget Alina?

And daniil has as too huge ego when he said that, alinas Carmen was not that memorable to not skate to it again in the next few years, her programms the year before those where better. The one iconic skater that skated to Carmen is and always will be Katharine Witt and not alina,

 

[Edwin]

Quite a few juniors skate to Carmen too.

It's always nice to see novices and juniors skating in look alike costumes to almost the same music cuts and often using some key elements and small mannerisms from popular routines by their idols.

I can fully imagine an 8 year old wanting to look like Alina, Alyona, Aleksandra or Yevgeniya

 

[Tolstoj]

Why is Gulyakova skating to Carmen? That only makes me compare it to Alina and that is not a comparison you want. Bad decision.

I really like the costume, the choreography is nothing memorable like most programs from Mishin's group really.

Personally i'd stay away from Carmen because it's so overused in Figure skating and last year we had waay too many carmen programs between men and ladies.

True. Gleikhengauz stated in an interview the team staged Carmen for Alina is such an authoritative way, no skater would achieve the same impact with the image and music for quite some time. First Alina needs to be forgotten, but will the figure skating community and professionals ever forget Alina?

I thought it was good but not the best carmen program i've ever seen (which could be Bestemianova-Bukin's Carmen FD), a bit reminiscent of Katarina Witt's carmen.

Last season i liked more the two carmen programs from Kolyada and Kovtun.

As for Alina i think the Cleopatra FS for this season is better, it has a better choreographed steps sequence and choreo.

 

[VenusHalley]

It's always nice to see novices and juniors skating in look alike costumes to almost the same music cuts and often using some key elements and small mannerisms from popular routines by their idols.

I can fully imagine an 8 year old wanting to look like Alina, Alyona, Aleksandra or Yevgeniya

It must be kinda hard to pick music, costume and do choreography for the young skaters, so it does not look too childish and immature, but at the same time is age appropriate and the youngsters can handle it.

(so yeah... not sure about Carmen. With juniors it looks like skating to pretty music at the best).

But that I think the topic of appropriate music was discussed here already at length.

 

[Tolstoj]

I forgot to mention but great SP from Sima also.

She looked much more convincing than last season, and very preparred for the event with great speed on all the elements, even the 2a looks improved, i like the new entry. The program is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Z4fY1iSe8

 

[colormyworld240]

Is this Sasha's first major mistake on a triple in her international career?

 

[LiamForeman]

And daniil has as too huge ego when he said that, alinas Carmen was not that memorable to not skate to it again in the next few years, her programms the year before those where better. The one iconic skater that skated to Carmen is and always will be Katharine Witt and not alina,

I've been watching skating for forty years, and the only thing I remember about Alina's Carmen is the final pose and also being nervous hoping she'd skate clean because SHE looked like a nervous wreck the entire time. IOW, Alina's Carmen was a forgettable throwaway that got the job done. Heck, I remember Sasha Cohen's Carmen more than whatever Alina did last year.

 

[Ziotic]

True. Gleikhengauz stated in an interview the team staged Carmen for Alina is such an authoritative way, no skater would achieve the same impact with the image and music for quite some time. First Alina needs to be forgotten, but will the figure skating community and professionals ever forget Alina?

I think Alina will be remember for DQ. Carmen belongs to Witt or for me Stolbova! But all I remember of Alina’s Carmen was heel-ography, there wasn’t anything really special or memorable otherwise.

 

[colormyworld240]

And daniil has as too huge ego when he said that, alinas Carmen was not that memorable to not skate to it again in the next few years, her programms the year before those where better. The one iconic skater that skated to Carmen is and always will be Katharine Witt and not alina,

There's nothing egotistical about a choreographer wanting to create a program with the goal of it being the best and most memorable. Anything else is sabotage. You don't seem to have any understanding of his comment, or the job of a choreographer.

 

[Skuratov]

The one iconic skater that skated to Carmen is and always will be Katharine Witt and not alina,

Totally agree.

 

[Edwin]

I think Alina will be remember for DQ. Carmen belongs to Witt or for me Stolbova! But all I remember of Alina’s Carmen was heel-ography, there wasn’t anything really special or memorable otherwise.

Heel-ography? Is that analogous to 'armography' a term I learned from BBC's "Strictly Come Dancing" show daily features with this ballet critic and his 'magic wand'? Completely off topic, I know.

But what do you mean by 'heel-ography'?

 

[fabienne1996]

There's nothing egotistical about a choreographer wanting to create a program with the goal of it being the best and most memorable. Anything else is sabotage. You don't seem to have any understanding of his comment, or the job of a choreographer.

Yes but how he spoke it like he assumed no one would dare to skate to Carmen again in the years to come, that is too much ego, again the programm did what it had to do but it was not that memorable like at all, no alinas Carmen will not really be remembered like Daniel just assumed. Her Olympic programms those will be remembered but not necessary Carmen. So for Daniel to say that no one would measure up to alinas Carmen programm is simply nothing but hot air

 

[colormyworld240]

Yes but how he spoke it like he assumed no one would dare to skate to Carmen again in the years to come, that is too much ego, again the programm did what it had to do but it was not that memorable like at all, no alinas Carmen will not really be remembered like Daniel just assumed. Her Olympic programms those will be remembered but not necessary Carmen. So for Daniel to say that no one would measure up to alinas Carmen programm is simply nothing but hot air

No, he didn't. Again, you're not understanding the comment or the context. He was asked about how he put the program together.