2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
- Thread starter Spirals for Miles
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Really? Thanks for the correction - I thought I'd read it here on the forum. Well, I'm glad that possibility exists.
Honestly girls like Gubanova, Tarakanova,... and others are more in need of a presence at Russian Nationals than a 13 years old who regardless of the final score, is still destined to stay in juniors for another year.
That's why the proposal to raise the age limit for russian nationals makes sense, there are girls now who need to earn their spots among seniors, otherwise you'll have situations like Sakhanovich last year: won Tallinn Trophy but not qualified for RN.
That's why the proposal to raise the age limit for russian nationals makes sense, there are girls now who need to earn their spots among seniors, otherwise you'll have situations like Sakhanovich last year: won Tallinn Trophy but not qualified for RN.
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Well 13 year olds are not really allowed to go to RusNats. They must be 14 at least (that's why Aliona went there twice and Sasha just once for example). But I kind of agree with you. At the same time I also believe that it would be interesting to public to see upcoming stars. Maybe the solution could be adding another group? 18 doesn't seem a lot when you consider that US or Japan have more skaters in their Nationals.
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All posts concerning the weight and possible food insufficiency of nonskaters everywhere have been unapproved, because they are off topic.
The topic of this thread is Russian ladies.
The topic of this thread is Russian ladies.
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I agree. 14 is a good “cut off” age if they are going to make one - it gives top juniors the chance to compete at the senior level the year before they turn senior. Some skaters with birthdays in the 2nd half of the year get to compete 2x as a junior, but the entire Russian system is based on birth year, not ISU season (July 1-June 30). Changing it to match would mean overhauling their system at all levels (i.e. younger age nationals etc.) which would be a huge undertaking.
I also agree it would be nice if they would add a 4th warm up group and to expand the field to 24 skaters. Not sure I see this happening unless a TV network wants to broadcast it and pays the Fed enough to cover additional costs associated with an additional 6 skaters (hotel, ice time, transportation, rental of the stadium, etc - I’m not 100% sure what the Fed pats for but I’m assuming it’s a combination of the above and possibly more)
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Well, RusNats partially define funding for next season, so, for example, usually top 6 at RusNats are funded next year as part of a team Russia.
So having juniors that are about to become seniors makes sense, since if they are in top 6, they will get better funding during their first senior year.
I'd agree that adding another group would make sense, since the popularity of the sport also is at the peak at the moment.
So having juniors that are about to become seniors makes sense, since if they are in top 6, they will get better funding during their first senior year.
I'd agree that adding another group would make sense, since the popularity of the sport also is at the peak at the moment.
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Kanysheva is 14 and will be age eligible to compete Senior internationally next year.
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Sorry I was talking about the cost of extending the SP and LP by 1 hour each, an additional practice session for each event, etc. This stuff adds up.
Even though not everyone is on the national team, I’m pretty sure all skaters are on their local Moscow, St Petersburg, etc team, and they probably have to pay for hotels, transportation etc? Or maybe not? Unclear how the funding works and what is covered by the Fed at competitions, but at international competitions usually the Host Fed has to cover transportation costs and hotel/accommodations. I assume it would be the same for national events but maybe not.
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Maybe they woudn't want to pay, although I'm not sure that Feds pay for accommodations at a national event (but don't quote me on that because I actually don't know for Russia). But considering RusFed was able to basically fill up an arena for a JGP, short program and long program, and for test skates, an event where the ladies aren't even all wearing costumes, I don't think they should be struggling for money too much.
They should add a 4th group. Looking at the ones that did not make the RusNats final last year, there were some good names in there, and every single one of them had the potential to score 200+ with a good skate.
They were Sinitsyna, Shilenko, Sakhanovich, Gracheva, Tsibinova, Ogoreltseva.
They were Sinitsyna, Shilenko, Sakhanovich, Gracheva, Tsibinova, Ogoreltseva.
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Especially not in Krasnoyarsk, deep in Siberia, that time of year.
Moscow is another matter, all the big rinks with large seating capacity are booked for the ice shows and need to be prepared, etc. etc.
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It is the end, Valieva is only Slavic hopes ...
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Well, with JGP Croatia done I can say that the JGPF will most likely be:
- Kamila Valieva (1+1)
- Alysa Liu (1+1)
- Haein Lee (1+1)
- Ksenia Sinitsyna (2+1)
- Daria Usacheva (2+2)
- Viktoria Vasilieva (2+3)
Unless Anya Frolova pulls a win or scores second with like 210+, this seems to be most likely. Just hoping Dasha can pull it together for JGPF and medal there ��
- Kamila Valieva (1+1)
- Alysa Liu (1+1)
- Haein Lee (1+1)
- Ksenia Sinitsyna (2+1)
- Daria Usacheva (2+2)
- Viktoria Vasilieva (2+3)
Unless Anya Frolova pulls a win or scores second with like 210+, this seems to be most likely. Just hoping Dasha can pull it together for JGPF and medal there ��
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All that matters is that Daria is going to the final for sure! The slate is wiped clean now, and she gets to go to Torino. Of course, the consistency is an issue and should be worked on, but she has plenty of time for that before the final. Maybe she'll go to a cup event or two to wring those errors out. I hope she isn't too disappointed about 2nd and can enjoy the fact that she qualified for the final. She has improved so much in every aspect of her skating over the past couple of years, and when she gets it all right it will be breathtaking. And good on her for getting those big triple-triples done no problem. I'm sure her big moment with two clean programs is coming soon. And congrats to Anna for a medal at her first JGP event! She seemed happy in the Kiss and Cry, and that is great.
Its easy to become concerned that the only Russian girl that has won a JGP so far this year is Valieva, but I don't think there's too much to worry about. Russia will most likely have three girls in the final, possibly four. And thats with an injury from Kanysheva, one of the expected top girls going in. Even though we've had 5 girls in the past two years, thats not normal, and it was due in part to the 3A, a historical trio. But we can't always have impossibly strong juniors like that, who hardly ever mess up on triples, and the current juniors are doing just great.
Its easy to become concerned that the only Russian girl that has won a JGP so far this year is Valieva, but I don't think there's too much to worry about. Russia will most likely have three girls in the final, possibly four. And thats with an injury from Kanysheva, one of the expected top girls going in. Even though we've had 5 girls in the past two years, thats not normal, and it was due in part to the 3A, a historical trio. But we can't always have impossibly strong juniors like that, who hardly ever mess up on triples, and the current juniors are doing just great.
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If Viktoria Vasilieva gets bumped from the final with two higher scores than Daria because they screwed her over on the assignments I am going to be beside myself. I cannot believe she is depending on Frolova and Matsuike next weekend to edge out Yeonjeong Park from another 2nd.
*UPDATED* Russian Ladies in the SB list after 11 (of 30) events
1 (1) - Alexandra Trusova 238.69 - CS Nepela Memorial
3 (3) - Kamila Valieva (J) 221.95 - JGP Chelyabinsk
4 (4) - Anna Shcherbakova 218.20 - CS Lombardia Trophy
5 (5) - Evgenia Medvedeva 217.43 - CS Autumn Classic
6 (6) - Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 214.38 - CS Lombardia Trophy
10 (9) - Ksenia Sinitsyna 204.25 - JGP Chelyabinsk
13 (11) - Viktoria Vasilieva 198.79 - JGP Chelyabinsk
14 (15) - Daria Usacheva (J) 197.19 - JGP Croatia Cup
15 (13) - Anastasia Tarakanova 194.74 - JGP Baltic Cup
19 (18) - Maiia Khromykh (J) 190.73 - JGP Riga Cup
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25 (new) - Anna Frolova (J) 181.96 - JGP Croatia Cup
28 (26) - Sofia Samodurova 179.65 - CS Lombardia Trophy
47 (41) - Stanislava Konstantinova 162.25 - CS Nepela Memorial
62 (55) - Maria Sotskova 155.25 - CS Nepela Memorial
Top 24 in the SB list, except (J), are guaranteed at least one spot at the senior GP next year
Last year, to be in the Top 24 in the Seasons Best List you had to score 196.34
Still to skate: Kanysheva, Sakhanovich, Kostornaia, Zagitova
And those without GPs aka 'Gubanova's gang': Gubanova, Gulyakova, Nugumanova, Talalaykina and others...
1 (1) - Alexandra Trusova 238.69 - CS Nepela Memorial
3 (3) - Kamila Valieva (J) 221.95 - JGP Chelyabinsk
4 (4) - Anna Shcherbakova 218.20 - CS Lombardia Trophy
5 (5) - Evgenia Medvedeva 217.43 - CS Autumn Classic
6 (6) - Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 214.38 - CS Lombardia Trophy
10 (9) - Ksenia Sinitsyna 204.25 - JGP Chelyabinsk
13 (11) - Viktoria Vasilieva 198.79 - JGP Chelyabinsk
14 (15) - Daria Usacheva (J) 197.19 - JGP Croatia Cup
15 (13) - Anastasia Tarakanova 194.74 - JGP Baltic Cup
19 (18) - Maiia Khromykh (J) 190.73 - JGP Riga Cup
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25 (new) - Anna Frolova (J) 181.96 - JGP Croatia Cup
28 (26) - Sofia Samodurova 179.65 - CS Lombardia Trophy
47 (41) - Stanislava Konstantinova 162.25 - CS Nepela Memorial
62 (55) - Maria Sotskova 155.25 - CS Nepela Memorial
Top 24 in the SB list, except (J), are guaranteed at least one spot at the senior GP next year
Last year, to be in the Top 24 in the Seasons Best List you had to score 196.34
Still to skate: Kanysheva, Sakhanovich, Kostornaia, Zagitova
And those without GPs aka 'Gubanova's gang': Gubanova, Gulyakova, Nugumanova, Talalaykina and others...
