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Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron

Just watched the RD, which I thought was surprisingly clever, with a very very smart integration of the finnstep and the "well it's not the finnstep but should sorta kinda be like the finnstep" patterns. A costume reveal here would be totally appropriate to differentiate even further the "dance class" portion from the "actual performance" section, but you can't have it all now can you?

French, Doris? I vote for Kaixana, currently the world's least spoken language.
 
Well, I find that text very touching and beautiful.

You know, living in India really is a great experience. There's so much more freedom here. No taste police. Anyone is free to like whatever they want. There is no such thing as 'kitsch'. I've been in shops that would simply not be allowed to exist in Europe. Not because people wouldn't buy there, but because the taste police simply forbids this kind of stuff on sale. It's mental poverty. Masquerading for intellectual high-up hop oof umpf whoohoola good taste. Because almost all of our modern art that's THE thing is extremely ugly and extremely poor craftsmanship. If any craft or knowledge was part of its creation at all.

I've been in theatres where actors got standing ovations by large crowds, not because the play was good (because it wasn't, it was horrible, endlessly boring, dumb and degrading) but purely because the correct magazine had dictated that this was the thing to be liked this year. That's a very, very, very poor society.

That doesn't exist here (I'm in the south in a rural setting, I suppose Mumbai and Delhi do whatever they can to copy western society). You like corn? Here, have some corny stuff. Nobody minds. It's your business. It's your choice.
There's no judgement. And that's a relief.
 
I really think that it is not an "intellectual" endeavor but this voice is a support for an atmospheric setting. I let myself be caught just in the voice, not the words, and the music and let the emotion build. And it does happen for me ... slowly at first but steadily. By the end I am caught in the "magic" for lack of a better word. I expect this to get better and better.
 
Well, the spoken word piece is definitely a little — shall we say, instagram-ish. I can just imagine Guillaume coming across it in the middle of a Spotify "inspirational songs to work out to" playlist. :laugh: I understand what they liked in it, and it certainly fits within their main themes, but they are so many actual poets who have treated them better that I wish they had just paid someone with a nice voice to recite something into a mic for them. Perhaps something by Pablo Neruda, or, on the subject of French poetry :agree:, something like Paul Verlaine's "Il faut, voyez-vous, nous pardonner les choses". Come to think of it, pretty much all of Verlaine would fit the bill, and now I'm making myself sad, imagining the possibilities...

With that said, I was also unimpressed by the music of last season's FD (the voice, the melody, and the lyrics), and I thought they never rose above it, merely maximized its potential. I am much more optimistic about this season's FD, in the sense that I already think, in this early stage, that their concept and choreographic choices rise above the base material. I don't demand from them that they share my exact artistic taste, or even good taste in music; where I do expect excellence is in their skating. I know many people reject contemporary dance as inherently pretentious or worse, cringe-worthy (I have much the same reaction to modern plastic arts), but I enjoy it very much, and accordingly I am overjoyed that they have found their way back to the road they set out on in 2016 with Oddudua. Unfettered by the constraints of storytelling and surface emotional impact, they can approach their choreography in a purely architectural manner — the relation of movement to the spoken word (or in Oddudua to the discordant piano) rather than the ordered melodies of their classical FDs; the crescendo building from the juxtaposition of contraction and release, staccato and fluidity (Martha Graham much?). The re-ordering of their elements, the departure from their "floaty" aesthetic all seem to me to prove their earnest intention to shake things up, to be more modern... even if it comes in a hipster-esque package.

At the end of the day, as I have said many times before in this thread, I believe there are skaters wasted on anything but the best classical music, and I place Gabi and Guillaume, alongside Mao, in that category. But the field of ID today is not what I would call known for its refined music taste, and a slightly cringey slam poem will do me quite nicely against the likes of Justin Timberlake covers and A Star is Born soundtracks.
 
I must say that I find the guy speaking highly disturbing and annoying. At first I even thought it was a sports commentator and wished he would finally stop speaking so that I could concentrate on the music and the program. After reading somewhere Romain Hagenauer's interview and description of Gabriella and Guillaume's new FD, that nobody has done anything similar before, etc. my expectations were very high. I don't know why, but I even come to suspect they would do something similar in style to that controversial Krylova/Ovsiannikov 1999 program.

To sum up, I like the program, but it's very similar to what they've already done, so nothing new under the sun. Still, I'm sure that it's a perfect vehicle for them and will help them win all the gold medals this season. And with the costumes and more polished it will leave everyone speechless.
 
I know many people reject contemporary dance as inherently pretentious or worse, cringe-worthy (I have much the same reaction to modern plastic arts), but I enjoy it very much, and accordingly I am overjoyed that they have found their way back to the road they set out on in 2016 with Oddudua.
It's funny that you say that. My criticism of snobbism and nonsensical trendish dogmatic approval of whatever is dictated to be Art applies to most of modern art, PARTICULARLY visual arts. Since I worked in the theatre I bumped into that side of it a lot, and therefore my experiences are mostly there. But this criticism is NOT my experience of modern dance. It's quite possible that I've not seen enough or was lucky with the things I saw, but the dance performances of hyped persons that I have seen were in fact mostly stunning, gripping, genuine and absolutely interesting. A real search for some new expression. Or a genuine wish to entertain, to give something to the audience. Not self-pleasing and self-aggrandizing as the other stuff.

I love the movements they do. I can watch that all day. I know it's not really doing the skating bit, it's technically probably very simple, but I love it. Whether they express the words well or not well or cheesily or childishly, I don't care. I love to watch this.
I am very happy with this FD.
And also with Mohacz's mention of Krylova/Ovsyannikov's 1999 FD. I didn't watch any FS at that time, and this was a wonderful discovery. Clearly inspired by the Duchesnay's fabulous 1988 program.
Yes, I would love for GG to do something similar also. But I feel it's not really them yet. There's no need to do it for the sake of doing it, they need to feel that it is what they want or need. Their authenticity is what matters most. Doing what you feel like doing. If it pleases, so much the better. If it doesn't, well, though. Either for us or for them.
 
review TheSkatingLesson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6LJ1jnixD8

at 9 min for PC about RD and free

Someone can resume here what they said.
Thank You
They liked it. At least, Dave did. He spoke for almost all the time, so we know for sure that he liked both programs. Jonathan more or less said 'yes' a few hundred times. And that he likes Tessa and Scott better.

O, and Dave doesn't like that pianists refer to their page turners as 'my assistant'. Those people have names. Let it be known.
 
Here is an interesting interview on ice-dance.com with Doug Webster, founder and director of Ice Dance International with a nice passage about Gaby and Guillaume:
"You have seen many changes in ice dancing over the years. What do you like the best and the least?

The best is the seamless interaction and use of the full body. I teach a class for US Dance Camp and our own IDI clinics called Skate 360. The class is about how to use (and discover) the full body while skating in a 360 sphere of energy…using all different levels and planes of motion. This is currently happening, and I see it in all parts of figure skating, singles, pairs, etc. To me, the dance of skating is the full use of the body while staying in the push. Gabriella [Papadakis] & Guillaume [Cizeron], the French World Champions, totally get it.

The other thing they get is the loss of the self in their skating. Their expression is inherent in the skating and the dance…not forced. Expression comes through the whole body…not just the face. This is a big step away from ballroom and pushes skating into a deep artful place…the loss of ego in the dance. Doing that in competitive skating gets big bonus points."

ITA about the way they use their whole body not just the face, especially Guillaume who actually doesn't express much with his face. Other ice dancers have obviously done so before, but I'm not sure to the same extent and level of abandon as Gaby and Guillaume which is what utterly fascinates me every single time.
 
Here is an interesting interview on ice-dance.com with Doug Webster, founder and director of Ice Dance International with a nice passage about Gaby and Guillaume:
"You have seen many changes in ice dancing over the years. What do you like the best and the least?

The best is the seamless interaction and use of the full body. I teach a class for US Dance Camp and our own IDI clinics called Skate 360. The class is about how to use (and discover) the full body while skating in a 360 sphere of energy…using all different levels and planes of motion. This is currently happening, and I see it in all parts of figure skating, singles, pairs, etc. To me, the dance of skating is the full use of the body while staying in the push. Gabriella [Papadakis] & Guillaume [Cizeron], the French World Champions, totally get it.

The other thing they get is the loss of the self in their skating. Their expression is inherent in the skating and the dance…not forced. Expression comes through the whole body…not just the face. This is a big step away from ballroom and pushes skating into a deep artful place…the loss of ego in the dance. Doing that in competitive skating gets big bonus points."

ITA about the way they use their whole body not just the face, especially Guillaume who actually doesn't express much with his face. Other ice dancers have obviously done so before, but I'm not sure to the same extent and level of abandon as Gaby and Guillaume which is what utterly fascinates me every single time.

That may be because so much of ballroom dancing is about "the frame," which is not something you hear about in ice dancing anymore (let alone see). It's far easier to express emotion through a looser body and body movements.

I think there's something to be said for both. But Doug Webster is right that the movement is away from the ballroom.
 
Just here to say while P/C are known for amazing free dances, I’m absolutely in love with their last two short dances. I didn’t know how they would top oblivion from last year but the Fame program is so entertaining. Can’t wait to see it more polished and with new costumes!
 
Bad news for the neon lovers! :p Pastels it is. Let me know if there's anything google translate doesn't clear up.
 
I really find that the typical "hieratic", coded to death as to become "unnatural" (professional!) ballroom dancing style is the least appropriate for the medium ice. I understand that you had to start somewhere but it is not a direction that allows for growth. I could imagine coming back to a strictly technical compulsory dance to satisfy people interested in measuring technical proficiency but if Ice Dance were restricted to that kind of skating, it would lose a lot of spectators.
 
Bad news for the neon lovers! :p Pastels it is. Let me know if there's anything google translate doesn't clear up.

Thank you for sharing the interview! The main highlights I gleaned with my high school French:

- Masters for them is above all a deadline, to motivate them to be ready
- As OP said, pastels will be the palette for their RD costumes - specifically, it seems, blues and pinks
- Guillaume watched Fame in 2009
- They find the Finnstep easier than the “very difficult” Tango Romantica
- They view the FD as evolution, not as a complete departure from their style
- They don’t look at each other for the first minute and half of the FD - until “Here we are”
 
Thank you for sharing the interview! The main highlights I gleaned with my high school French:

- Masters for them is above all a deadline, to motivate them to be ready
- As OP said, pastels will be the palette for their RD costumes - specifically, it seems, blues and pinks
- Guillaume watched Fame in 2009
- They find the Finnstep easier than the “very difficult” Tango Romantica
- They view the FD as evolution, not as a complete departure from their style
- They don’t look at each other for the first minute and half of the FD - until “Here we are”

Now that's an interesting titbit! I didn't realise it thanks to the marvellous quality of that stream, I have to re-watch it!
 
They liked it. At least, Dave did. He spoke for almost all the time, so we know for sure that he liked both programs. Jonathan more or less said 'yes' a few hundred times. And that he likes Tessa and Scott better.

O, and Dave doesn't like that pianists refer to their page turners as 'my assistant'. Those people have names. Let it be known.

Did Jonathan say he liked V/M better? I heard him exasperatedly say something along the lines of “Yes, I like the Canadians too, but Gabi and Guillaume just appeal to me more” — which I interpreted as him preferring P/C, but maybe he was actually teasing David?
 
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