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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

lusterfan said:
Assuming a clean skate, any wild guesses how they will score Liza's PCS? I'm dying to see how she will be compared to Alyona... :drama:
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There is no comparison...Alyona is dramically superior in PCS, but I'm guessing Liza will still get around 34 in the SP just the same as Alyona, because...reasons :scratch2::noshake:
 
Mishaminion said:
There is no comparison...Alyona is dramically superior in PCS, but I'm guessing Liza will still get around 34 in the SP just the same as Alyona, because...reasons :scratch2::noshake:
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In reality, Alyona is better in the PCS department, but obviously judging politics and reputation come to play also... I hope they keep Liza at around 32-33 as that's mroe appropriate in comparison
 
starla16 said:
Im sure they will add it later in the season, she needs to be consistent landing the triple axel first
the FS is better because she can make mistake with them, the SP if cant land her 3 axel it will pull alot of her score, she needs to establish reputation first too
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Agree. With a good hand, Eteri team knows how to play the cards.:)
 
Decoder said:
Agree. With a good hand, Eteri team knows how to play the cards.:)
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Im actually surprise Eteri Team has try to even and maximize every skaters strengths

Sherbakova with her strength in acting they did the costume change + her 4lutz, Trusova needs no introduction upgrading technically while Zagitova has gotten her best programs to date and Kostarnaya they are awaiting the right time for a 3 Axel.
 
Anni234 said:
Are we really not done with this conversation yet :disapp:
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No, we aren't.

About the practical side of things? Who is paying for the international starts of the GP participants? And what is their chance of recuperating some of the costs in prize money? The top Russians win, and bring back with them lots of prize money. Probably leaving them with a profit for their piggy banks when all expenses have been paid.

Apart from the possible and probable result that is nowhere near your best, or even near the scores that carried you forward for two cycles, which will seen as a disgrace on your resume of results? Why throw away good money, hard earned and saved up by yourself or your parents just to score your season's low in an international? I just don't understand the motivation.

Wether she competes or abstains is up to her, I will respect her either decision, but giving way to a stronger fellow skater who is more in need of a start, a SB or whatever is for me a sign of strong character and plain common sense and some decency too.
 
Edwin said:
No, we aren't.

About the practical side of things? Who is paying for the international starts of the GP participants? And what is their chance of recuperating some of the costs in prize money? The top Russians win, and bring back with them lots of prize money. Probably leaving them with a profit for their piggy banks when all expenses have been paid.

Apart from the possible and probable result that is nowhere near your best, or even near the scores that carried you forward for two cycles, which will seen as a disgrace on your resume of results? Why throw away good money, hard earned and saved up by yourself or your parents just to score your season's low in an international? I just don't understand the motivation.

Wether she competes or abstains is up to her, I will respect her either decision, but giving way to a stronger fellow skater who is more in need of a start, a SB or whatever is for me a sign of strong character and plain common sense and some decency too.
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You are disrespecting her by repeating such nonsense as "if she had the decency" and calling her recent results a "disgrace" so please drop the veneer of faux-respect.
She earned her assignments (starting to sound like a broken record) fair and square and has every right to go to them. As Maria EARNED them I assume she's funded for them and that has nothing to do with her current performance (or lack of).

If she decides to compete, she's doing nothing wrong, people should just leave her alone and stop bashing her for not giving up.
 
Well, Maria certainly is not on par with most senior Russians, but I don't think pulling out of GP would be smart. It wouldn't necessarily be given to a Russian girl. Organisers are free to choose from 10 or so participants. Maria got that spot for her very high scores she received 2 years ago fair and square. It may seem unfair but such are the rules of GP selection.
 
Edwin said:
No, we aren't.

About the practical side of things? Who is paying for the international starts of the GP participants? And what is their chance of recuperating some of the costs in prize money? The top Russians win, and bring back with them lots of prize money. Probably leaving them with a profit for their piggy banks when all expenses have been paid.

Apart from the possible and probable result that is nowhere near your best, or even near the scores that carried you forward for two cycles, which will seen as a disgrace on your resume of results? Why throw away good money, hard earned and saved up by yourself or your parents just to score your season's low in an international? I just don't understand the motivation.

Wether she competes or abstains is up to her, I will respect her either decision, but giving way to a stronger fellow skater who is more in need of a start, a SB or whatever is for me a sign of strong character and plain common sense and some decency too.
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So you say, that if you were in a job and there was a period in your life that you has some stubbles and could not improve yourself as fast as some younger employees, you would say : ''ok guys, i am not that good right now, you take my place because you deserve it more'' ? Who does that...? And why should anyone who wants the best for himself , should think about others in the way you describing it ? Masha earned her spots in GP, she didnt stole them from anyone. Thats the rules. Other russian girls, better from Masha ( yeah there are a lot right now ) , should have gained their spots too and that not the problem of Masha....
In life, not always can you be at the top . And most of us, adults, we know that the more you grow older, the more obstacles you face and it is not that easy anymore to always ALWAYS be in top . People are not disposable, we dont talk about numbers here. I dont see figure skating because i want to see a sports hunger game. Of course it is amazing that the barrier now is so high, but every skater has something to say in the ice... Not only gaining medals and money for Russia.
 
Mishaminion said:
You are disrespecting her by repeating such nonsense as "if she had the decency" and calling her recent results a "disgrace" so please drop the veneer of faux-respect.
She earned her assignments (starting to sound like a broken record) fair and square and has every right to go to them. As Maria EARNED them I assume she's funded for them and that has nothing to do with her current performance (or lack of).

If she decides to compete, she's doing nothing wrong, people should just leave her alone and stop bashing her for not giving up.
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earning them Before doesn't mean its worthy now. Again if she stands by results not by merits she can fake an injury and ask the Fed to assign someone else for her place. Get some rest think about it, maybe she can still skate domestically like Leonova.
 
starla16 said:
earning them Before doesn't mean its worthy now. Again if she stands by results not by merits she can fake an injury and ask the Fed to assign someone else for her place. Get some rest think about it, maybe she can still skate domestically like Leonova.
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RusFed does not assign places for French GP. The French can choose anyone from the SB list be it Russian or not.
 
Edwin said:
Who is paying for the international starts of the GP participants?
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What do you mean by international starts? The GP OC itself pays for the skaters' and judges' flights and accommodations. That is why the Sr GP series competitons get to select their skaters and they are not assigned by the federation. Not sure how Russia handles paying for coaches - depending on the country, it's either the federation or the skater themselves that pays for the trip for the coach. ISU pays for other competition officials (panel etc).
 
starla16 said:
earning them Before doesn't mean its worthy now. Again if she stands by results not by merits she can fake an injury and ask the Fed to assign someone else for her place. Get some rest think about it, maybe she can still skate domestically like Leonova.
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The rules for qualification are perfectly clear, she earned her spot because she was still in high enough in the World Standings at the time the assignments were made. She is worthy, I don't understand people who belittle skaters as unworthy, it is very unkind.
 
Mishaminion said:
The rules for qualification are perfectly clear, she earned her spot because she was still in high enough in the World Standings at the time the assignments were made. She is worthy, I don't understand people who belittle skaters as unworthy, it is very unkind.
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Your mantra of "she earned it" doesn't hold up. Because others earned it equally too but had to step aside because of Maria. That is fair to you?
 
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