2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[starla16]

I was expecting drama but not this drama...

usually Skate de France has splatfest drama but this time its something else
pray no splatfest in the FS, let the ice be good tomorrow !!

 

[TallyT]

In the old days I'm sure the top skaters would pick their events. Or at least the winner could pick any two of the six, then the second place getter could pick from the four left, then the bronze medallist would get the last two (because the podium winners couldn't meet each other - did they stop doing that or am I just imagining rules again )

Can't be that way now, on the men's side Nathan apparently said before the announcements he wanted SkAm and NHK to fit his uni schedule, and he didn't get the latter, got third choice IdF. And I doubt if it was that way the Russian top girls would be lined up the same two at each...

 

[andromache]

So the calls...
Alena
3A< is extremely harsh she is lacking about 10minutes (yes i measure rotation in minutes on a clock) is I would say this call is incorrect. The reduction in GOE I would say is acceptable du to slight lacking in rotation (though not enough for < call) and the shaky landing

If she was missing 10 minutes (I like your clock metaphor for measuring rotations!), then that is enough for a < call under the current system. They used to allow a quarter turn of "forgiveness", which would be 15 minutes, but now there is none.

I disagree with this rule as it is too harsh IMO. But that is what the rule is.

 

[flanker]

Could you maybe explain that comment because I have honestly no idea what you're talking about.

I don't think it is rare to see "not 100 % clearly backward on the landing". In comparison to what was called as UR here (and what is not called UR elsewhere) definitely.

 

[Fluture]

I don't think it is rare to see "not 100 % clearly backward on the landing". In comparison to what was called as UR here (and what is not called UR elsewhere) definitely.

Well, personally I didn't think Aliona's 3A was UR either but it had a rough landing, so maybe that was enough for them to call it? I don't necessarily agree with the judging today and found it quite off to be honest but these conspiracy theories are also really tiresome, imo.

 

[Alex65]

If she was missing 10 minutes (I like your clock metaphor for measuring rotations!), then that is enough for a < call under the current system. They used to allow a quarter turn of "forgiveness", which would be 15 minutes, but now there is none.

I disagree with this rule as it is too harsh IMO. But that is what the rule is.

What rule are you talking about all the time? 90 degrees-15 minutes is still a valid rotation limit. no?

 

[Mishaminion]

Sometimes I think we need two different Russian ladies' threads...one for sane people who want to discuss the skaters and performances, and one for people who want to complain and stir up drama and make up conspiracy theories....

I don't see any conspiracies.

What is kind of funny is we want harsher tech judging and when we get it we don't like it as much as we thought we would.

The scores are a bit weird but I think the placements are correct.

Alyona was incredible today despite her nerves
Alina was Alina, a lovely skate from her
Mariah has improved her combo a lot, it has been clean at least twice this season now.
Starr isn't as good as some of the others but she didn't make the errors they did.
Kaori was disappointing, even having trouble with the loop, usually her best triple.
Wakaba is on her way back from injury and had UR issues

 

[Vandevska]

If she was missing 10 minutes (I like your clock metaphor for measuring rotations!), then that is enough for a < call under the current system. They used to allow a quarter turn of "forgiveness", which would be 15 minutes, but now there is none.

I disagree with this rule as it is too harsh IMO. But that is what the rule is.

I believe it's still 1/4 turn. They just lowered the "punishment" score to encourage the judges to call it more.

 

[Grin]

Yes, you can. This is Alina's first serious competition of the season. It is possible that her lutz edge has worsened since she grew more, as that can mess with technique. I'm sure they are working on it.

Anyway, Alina's SP is my favorite program she has ever had. It suits her perfectly, and her dress and styling are gorgeous.

You can what? Sorry, you can't give "e" out of the blue to anybody, no mater junior or senior, male or female. I just rewatched slo-mo replay in slow-mo. It isn't inside at all. Not even close to that.
https://sun1-26.userapi.com/c857532/v857532576/c69e5/bHZpUjLUztE.jpg
That Jeroen Prins should be investigated.

 

[Draculus]

It was not a perfect skate and she is first after SP. For example Anna's situation was much worse but she didn't say anything (i may be wrong). I just afraid that such comments may attract more attention from judges, you totally don't want that.

Well, if you think that judges are unfair then if you are silent nothing will change. Judges continue to be unfair.
And Alyona will have "more attention", it's unavoidable (I hope at least), such skater always attract attention.

 

[Mishaminion]

You can what? Sorry, you can't give "e" out of the blue to anybody, no mater junior or senior, male or female. I just rewatched slo-mo replay in slow-mo. It isn't inside at all. Not even close to that.
That Jeroen Prins should be investigated.

I saw it as flat to slight turning towards inside on take off, deserving of ! but that e was harsh.

Still, there is no need to accuse anyone of something worthy of being investigated, that is harsh itself.
We are all human you know, nobody is flawless

 

[PrayOrDie]

Olympic champion in figure skating Alina Zagitova commented on her performance in the short program at the French Grand Prix, where she became the second.

“Of course, it was possible to perform even better, It was decent perfomance, there is something to work on, and most importantly, I just went out and skated with pleasure. I went out and calmly skated, ” said Zagitova.

 

[eterialskater]

The judging was harsh but generally fair, they didn't just bury one or two skaters but were equally hard on almost all of them.

I see ! on Alina's lutz, possibly inching over to inside but not fully. The e call was very harsh but not completely out of thin air

Zagitova and Kostornaya can actually land lutzes unlike say Medvedeva who cannot even go flat on that jump. An e call is very harsh when she's at most flat on that jump. Osmond's lutz, Pogorilaya and Gold and their flips those are textbook definition of e's.

 

[Vilord]

If she was missing 10 minutes (I like your clock metaphor for measuring rotations!), then that is enough for a < call under the current system. They used to allow a quarter turn of "forgiveness", which would be 15 minutes, but now there is none.

I disagree with this rule as it is too harsh IMO. But that is what the rule is.

No. This is a quote from the TP handbook.
"The quarter/half mark of landing are the border lines to identify cheated jumps.
The camera angle is important to consider when deciding upon a cheated jump
particularly when the jump is at the opposite end of the rink than the camera.
In all doubtful cases the Technical Panel should act to the benefit of the skater"

I take this to mean that 15min is cheated but anything less than that isnt. The change from last year was that then 15min wasnt considered ur but anything over where but now they are a bit more strict saying 15minis ur. 10min still shouldnt be ur

 

[Andrea82]

who is the tech controller ?

Jeroen Prins is the technical controller, Monika Kustarova and Vanessa Gusmeroli are the technical specialists.

 

[rollerblade]

I thought we're not allowed to talk about competition specifics in general threads?

 

[Ophelia]

Zagitova and Kostornaya can actually land lutzes unlike say Medvedeva who cannot even go flat on that jump. An e call is very harsh when she's at most flat on that jump. Osmond's lutz, Pogorilaya and Gold and their flips those are textbook definition of e's.

You're obsessed.

 

[starla16]

Olympic champion in figure skating Alina Zagitova commented on her performance in the short program at the French Grand Prix, where she became the second.

“Of course, it was possible to perform even better, It was decent perfomance, there is something to work on, and most importantly, I just went out and skated with pleasure. I went out and calmly skated, ” said Zagitova.

very gracious skater, this is what is best about Alinas character. I think she will do better tomorrow
this season she can skate with abandonment and she has less pressure now.

 

[Mishaminion]

Zagitova and Kostornaya can actually land lutzes unlike say Medvedeva who cannot even go flat on that jump. An e call is very harsh when she's at most flat on that jump. Osmond's lutz, Pogorilaya and Gold and their flips those are textbook definition of e's.

Can you not drag other skaters into it, please?

Thankyou I know Zhenya flutzes, do not need it to be pointed out every opportunity.

Nobody mentioned Pogo, Osmond or Gold either. None of which are even skating at a GP this season!!!

The debate is Alina's lutz.

 

[Mathman]

No surprises so far. Kostornaia and Zagitova are substantially ahead of the pack as expected, fighting it out for gold and silver. Mariah Bell and the others did what they could. Kaori Sakamoto ran into some bad luck.

That's about it.