2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[TallyT]

We have this saying „дежурен кривец“ which basically translates to "offender on duty", and it seems that Evgenia is it here.

Ooooh, I like that! Any online link available on how to pronounce it? (sorry, lexiconophiliac getting totally distracted from skating by any hint of Brave New Words :luv17

 

[Mishaminion]

I don't think an edge can ever be more flat than outside lol. It's either more outside than flat (anything from deepest outside to slightest outside) or completely flat.

I'm having trouble expressing what I mean lol dont mind me

 

[thatbeatingheart]

Does the panel consider the moment when the toepick first touches the ice or when the blade leaves the ice? I've seen different interpretations before.

Afaik it's when the skater picks for the jump, so from the official livestream we get this https://s19.directupload.net/images/191101/55p78bi7.jpg and this from the replay https://s19.directupload.net/images/191101/eg4acgup.jpg. Not particularly great angles but I'd say it's flat. I wouldn't complain about an ! but e seems harsh based on the footage we have.

 

[Draculus]

I don't see what his support of raising the age limit has to do with his work as a tech controller?

In a corner case where something is unclear his opinion may affect his decision (so he is biased, basically).
Sometimes this can be even subconsciously, that's why in science we have an idea called "blind experiments", even "double blind".

 

[Edwin]

FFKKR explained why judges fined Zagitova at the Grand Prix stage in France

The Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKKR) explained in an article on its official website why the Olympic champion Alina Zagitova received a penalty point at the Grand Prix stage in France.

“The point was withdrawn from the skater due to the fact that after the final pose she lowered her hand, and this was counted as a movement,” the report says.

Initially, it was assumed that Zagitova received the dedication for having gone beyond the time limit during the execution of the program.
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From: https://fsrussia.ru/news/4700-rossi...ostornaya-pervaya-alina-zagitova-vtoraya.html

Otherwise Russian experts and press praising both Alina and Alyona and critical over judging and some judges in particular.

Alyona was praised in particular for daring to jump her new triksel in the short program, knowing full well of the risks. Perhaps explains her nervousness, but now she has proven herself under this pressure.

 

[Artemisa]

In gymnastics ... the federations put complains about the avaliation of the judges ... and isn't that big of a ideal ... they have rules for a federation do a complain

 

[colormyworld240]

FFKKR explained why judges fined Zagitova at the Grand Prix stage in France

The Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKKR) explained in an article on its official website why the Olympic champion Alina Zagitova received a penalty point at the Grand Prix stage in France.

“The point was withdrawn from the skater due to the fact that after the final pose she lowered her hand, and this was counted as a movement,” the report says.

Initially, it was assumed that Zagitova received the dedication for having gone beyond the time limit during the execution of the program.

Oh so it was because she went over the music then - couldn't this be fixed by just making the program a few seconds shorter?

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

Oh so it was because she went over the music then - couldn't this be fixed by just making the program a few seconds shorter?

wait I thought the report said it was because she lowered her hand after the final pose... If it really is that reason... that's kind of stupid honestly. The music ended, her program ended, so why shouldn't she lower her hand?

 

[bubblecherry]

What happens to Aliona during her StSq? I noticed this at Finlandia too. She has some of the best skating skills among ladies yet her StSq is very slow and labored. It's like all of her ease and flow completely disappears in her StSq? Is it just stamina? Trying to be overly precise?

Anyway, the UR on Aliona's 3A was a bad call. I would've had it fully rotated with negative GOE for the bad landing. A slight check on the Lutz landing, too, ! is the right call there. I would've given Alina !, but that might be based on reputation. The only angle I've seen does look slightly inside, but I would've never expected a !, much less an e! Negative GOE was fair for shaky takeoff + landing + UR. I think her Flip was underscored in GOE. Perfectly executed difficult transitions in & out, nice air position, etc etc. Love the costume and mood of the program for her.

 

[Mishaminion]

Oh so it was because she went over the music then - couldn't this be fixed by just making the program a few seconds shorter?

The article seems to be saying she got the violition for moving her hand after her final pose. Which makes no sense at all but whatever...

 

[colormyworld240]

The article seems to be saying she got the violition for moving her hand after her final pose. Which makes no sense at all but whatever...

Well if they counted her moving her hand after the final pose, then they counted it as her going over her music (and time). Anyway, it can be fixed by just making the program and music a few seconds shorter. I don't think we'll see this again.

 

[Vlad Karigov]

If the 3 main competitors of Trusova do not even reach 78 points in the SP, I think it is ridiculous to make assumptions of who will win the GPF, European and World Cup.

 

[katymay]

The article seems to be saying she got the violition for moving her hand after her final pose. Which makes no sense at all but whatever...

All these little dings and picks are a good thing for both girls. Neither is in any danger of losing this competition, and both will fix the dings, 'e's, !'s, moving the hand after the final beat and so on. Compete and learn, and nothing is at stake here. Alina and Alyona will be 1-2 and they will return home the wiser. The 3A? I dunno. My vantage point it looked clean. (with a slight neg GOE for the landing)

 

[Vilord]

Does the panel consider the moment when the toepick first touches the ice or when the blade leaves the ice? I've seen different interpretations before.

Fairly sure its when the blade leaves the ice. Though the TP handbook actualy says nothing about it which i fand strange.
About the time violation when I measured it earlier on video i got 2.52 (2s over) and I counted the lowering of the arm since I interpreted it as a part of the final movement with her arm. It may not have been intended as that by Alina but in that case she should practice holding the outstreched poed a bit longer to leve us in no doubt.

As for the 3Lze call being wrong I agree but I dont think its some big conspiracy. This panel was clearly hard on everyone and if we went through the protocols of all other skaters we would probably find more that we disagree with, Remember only Star Andrews (If we are working age bias into Alinas calls she and Star are the same age right) and Yuna Shiraiwa had clean protocols.

I dont think there is anything wrong with calling out TS calls that you disagree with (fans hold the TP accountable and that is in general good) but to call for an investigation of a TCs objectivity based on one comp where he was harsh on everyone isnt reasonable. If it comes to light that his unjust calls have affected skaters from only one nation or one age group over several different comps then I think its time for an investigation. This requires more of a quiet behind the scenes reprimand at worst in my book.

 

[sleepylexie]

If the 3 main competitors of Trusova do not even reach 78 points in the SP, I think it is ridiculous to make assumptions of who will win the GPF, European and World Cup.

I don't think we should compare between competitions. We don't know what Alexandra would have gotten in France

 

[andromache]

All these little dings and picks are a good thing for both girls. Neither is in any danger of losing this competition, and both will fix the dings, 'e's, !'s, moving the hand after the final beat and so on. Compete and learn, and nothing is at stake here. Alina and Alyona will be 1-2 and they will return home the wiser. The 3A? I dunno. My vantage point it looked clean. (with a slight neg GOE for the landing)

I agree. Every Russian lady will need every point she can get in order to make the Worlds team. This level of nitpicking is better to happen now rather than later. The difference between going to Worlds or staying home may be determined by these things at GPF (where they will all likely compete against each other - and Rusfed will pay attention to how they do there) and of course RusNats.

 

[andromache]

I don't think we should compare between competitions. We don't know what Alexandra would have gotten in France

Agreed. Different judges = different results.

 

[Reina del Hielo]

FFKKR explained why judges fined Zagitova at the Grand Prix stage in France

The Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKKR) explained in an article on its official website why the Olympic champion Alina Zagitova received a penalty point at the Grand Prix stage in France.

“The point was withdrawn from the skater due to the fact that after the final pose she lowered her hand, and this was counted as a movement,” the report says.

Initially, it was assumed that Zagitova received the dedication for having gone beyond the time limit during the execution of the program.
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From: https://fsrussia.ru/news/4700-rossi...ostornaya-pervaya-alina-zagitova-vtoraya.html

Otherwise Russian experts and press praising both Alina and Alyona and critical over judging and some judges in particular.

Alyona was praised in particular for daring to jump her new triksel in the short program, knowing full well of the risks. Perhaps explains her nervousness, but now she has proven herself under this pressure.

I thought the hand-drop was the final pose, like she starts to reach out but realizes it's hopeless and gives up and drops her hand. She did the same thing at the Russian test skates.

 

[readernick]

I don't think she's ever flutzed before? Flutz is an inside edge lutz, no? Do you mean unclear edge (flat)?

No, I meant flutz. Her edge has not been outside since 2018. Her edge is always at least ! (flat) but occasionally, (like at Japan Open) it looks e. I can't that it looked e here. just !. But, the technical panel has a different angle.

 

[atsumiri]

FFKKR explained why judges fined Zagitova at the Grand Prix stage in France
The Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKKR) explained in an article on its official website why the Olympic champion Alina Zagitova received a penalty point at the Grand Prix stage in France.
“The point was withdrawn from the skater due to the fact that after the final pose she lowered her hand, and this was counted as a movement,” the report says.
Initially, it was assumed that Zagitova received the dedication for having gone beyond the time limit during the execution of the program.
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From: https://fsrussia.ru/news/4700-rossi...ostornaya-pervaya-alina-zagitova-vtoraya.html

Her music has the right amount of time. We can hear it from the practice video https://youtu.be/ILOrVKD6QLI?t=179
2:50.
And based on her SP video she didn't go over her music with this final move. Looks like one more wrong call today.