2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
- Thread starter Spirals for Miles
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And I‘m not happy that the “public space“ is now taken over by those who cry about conspiracy theories every time a favorite gets harshly judged. And yet here we are.
Seriously, if Alina‘s e call was a mistake, then it won‘t happen again. People were outraged by it, they protested but there‘s a point when it becomes too much. Aliona is my second favorite skater ever. Based on the replays from the angles I have seen, I disagree with the 3A call. I also disagree with the PCS. And yes, I was very angry about it all in the competition thread. But it simply baffles me that people can be so affected by this that they still rage after so many hours. Alina and Aliona have moved on. They have accepted the scores and will do everything they can to prove with their skating (!) that they were wrong. There’s nothing else we or they can do. And complaining over and over again, writing about biased judging and pulling conspiracy theories out of nowhere won‘t change a thing. It just derails the thread.
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Well, they were. There were tons of e and UR calls all across the board. For everyone. And unless you want to say that, since Mariah Bell was the only one to escape a ! call, this was all a grand conspiracy to prop up the third (!) best American and punish everyone else, I‘m sorry but then my only reaction will be:
too. The judges were harsh and probably too harsh but at least they were like this for everyone.Edit: Actually, I checked and Mariah did get a ! call but on her flip, not the lutz. Seems weird, I would have had it reversed. But at least she didn‘t completely escape the technical panel either, so the conspiracy theory becomes even more ridiculous.
Time Violation deduction is not done by Technical Panel. It is applied by the Referee after consultation with the timekeeper
Made up fake calls for everyone? Yeah, sure. No, only for Aliona (ur) and Alina (e). Bell's rotation on 3Lz was no better than Aliona's 3A, Bell's edge on 3Lz was no better than Alina's. But she didn't get the same calls. So, no.
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Tbh there's a double standard too. A lot of the people trying to prove that it's a bogus call (and rightfully so!), would also bring the protocols as an argument and an undeniable truth in another situation. [emoji52]
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None of the other ladies threads are like this.
Not all of us want to be bombarded with complaining, accusations and endless silly conspiracy theories.
Disagree with the judges/tech controller, that's fine...
But the rest is just toxic
Not all of us want to be bombarded with complaining, accusations and endless silly conspiracy theories.
Disagree with the judges/tech controller, that's fine...
But the rest is just toxic
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Aweee look, another person not able to resist bringing Zhenya in a situation not related to her. How cute. [emoji7]
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Their favorite pastime it seems.
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I dont think so, as I'm very much against those things.
Unless you're saying it is wrong to challenge people who make up conspiracies?
I am a member of the Holocaust Education Trust, part of my actual job includes challenging and refuting Holocaust denial, to properly educate people and to prevent harmful views forming and spreading.
It isn't the same thing, I know, but conspiracy theories can be very harmful and lead to a lot of serious issues, no matter what the conspiracy theory itself is even about.
So why shouldn't people who disagree with all sorts of conspiracy theories challenge them?
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I don't think that if something bothers particularly you, it bothers "people on this forum". Yes, some disagree, some agree. That's the point of having a discussion (twas not "one way" discussion, BTW).
I don't think that pointing on cases that really happened is "groundless claim" (that's how conspiracy is defined here).
I don't think that anybody active in the discussion should behave like an arbiter.
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I don't care what you do, neither I know you. It is not a conspiracy to say technical panel was wrong. And let's leave sensitive issues like genocides and etc. this argumentation is weak.
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No, it's not cute at all. There is a science called statistics. If you ask 1000 random people about who they are going to vote for the result will be very close to how 100 million people will vote. We have statistics already. If you take top Russian skaters they are judged differently this year than they were judged the year ago. They got low levels they never had before, they receive edge calls that they never received before, etc. Bringing the argument that there are many other strict calls is just a diversion. Who are those skaters who receive these strict calls? Did they receive the same calls last season or it just started now? Most important, are those skaters competitive talking about podiums or we are fighting for 53 rather than 51 in the short program? What is even more important why this trend is not visible with Rika/Bradie/Young? Bradie somehow skated with no URs for the first time since very long. Young for her very first in history clean 3A attempt received higher GOE than Liza on any of her 3 triple axels in the USA. Some said it was URed - but this is of course another conspiracy theory.
It's statistics now. You can explain it once, twice. But not like it is now. And, yes, Zhenya is somehow immune so far because her tech calls are similar to what they were. And if we compare the lutz on which she fell which received ! with Alina's e on the lutz, yes, of course it's just about different technical panels. Sure, sure.
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Me too, yet I would anticipate it with much more enthusiasm with the faith in fair scoring.
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It is not a conspiracy to think and say they were wrong
It is one to say it is part of a deliberate attempt to underscore/hold down a skater or have some sort of bias against them.
Of course genocide is different to figure skating judging but conspiracies exist about both.
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Bias affects statistics, especially if your bias is strong enough to lead to manipulation of said statistics.
There is so anti-Russian bias, because what the statistics actually show is so far this season they've been winning medals at an incredible rate.
A small number of non Russians have made podiums and for some reason this means they must be attacked and discredited?
If the judges are attempting to hold Russian ladies down, they're literally terrible at implementing their own conspiracy to the point of sheer incompetence
And every time Zhenya's name is mentioned, a lot of people here take it as an insult or hate.
