2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Vilord]

If anyone has videos of the juniors from russian cup today could you post a link?
I could find the seniors on YT and Im glad Gubanova had a good outing. Not perfect but better than previous this season. In the free she had a verry strange fall on her last jump (2A) but otherwise good (two UR calls as well unforturnately) but with all this a score in the 190s is pretty good.

 

[Mishaminion]

A lot of people here who cry conspiracy theories against Russian ladies don't remember the fact that for a lot of years since Sochi Olys, a lot of top Russian ladies have been over scored to the moon and back especially in PCS and GOEs. But hey, a few strict calls against them and suddenly, ISU is out to get RusFed. The short program was wild but in a matter of hours it will be history. Move on.

The ISU just can't win either way can they?

Russians get high scores: A bunch of people complain they are being favoured and scored too high unfairly.

Russians get lower scores: A bunch of people complain they are being deliberately held down with unfair low scores.

Damned to hell either way.

That's just about the only thing left to say on the matter.

I'm focused on keeping my fingers crossed that ALL ladies of ALL nationalities have great free skates today and that if the judges do insist on harsh judging they continue to judge everyone by that same standard

 

[sk8kirsty]

Banging your head against a wall for one hour can burn up to 150 calories

 

[grado]

So you are actually saying she should have had 85 points? Come on, now!
You're taking this way too far

Why? Kihira got 84. Alyona is better.

 

[Giltedge]

I appreciate seeing matters argued sensibly and hearing all sides of opinion voiced. However, there's been a nasty line of retort going on here for several pages to anything anybody raises that questions the narrative of "impartial judging". What holier-than-thou job descriptions have to do with anything is beyond me. We all have equally valid past experiences we bring to bear. These constant, high-viz one-liner retorts seem to amount to bickering, which I understand is deprecated here on GS, isn't it so?

 

[LiamForeman]

If anyone has videos of the juniors from russian cup today could you post a link?
I could find the seniors on YT and Im glad Gubanova had a good outing. Not perfect but better than previous this season. In the free she had a verry strange fall on her last jump (2A) but otherwise good (two UR calls as well unforturnately) but with all this a score in the 190s is pretty good.

4t

The stream is still up. Usacheva was finally clean. I love her skating. Berestovskaya had a DG 4t, but her skating is greatly lacking. Khromykh had an excellent LP.

Gubanova was almost clean except a bad fall on 2a on her final jump... still didn't break 200. But her program is so uninteresting. 17 Moments of Boring. Tsibinova deservedly first. Guliakova was okay for her.

 

[Edwin]

I'm focused on keeping my fingers crossed that ALL ladies of ALL nationalities have great free skates today and that if the judges do insist on harsh judging they continue to judge everyone by that same standard

This is the only thing that matters to the competitors.

We can discuss/argue/fight ad infinitum, ad nauseam even, but ISU cares zero about our little thread and its petty arguments and rhetoric contests.

Skaters, do yourselves proud

 

[Nord Stream 2]

If anyone has videos of the juniors from russian cup today could you post a link?
I could find the seniors on YT and Im glad Gubanova had a good outing. Not perfect but better than previous this season. In the free she had a verry strange fall on her last jump (2A) but otherwise good (two UR calls as well unforturnately) but with all this a score in the 190s is pretty good.

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[Giltedge]

4t

The stream is still up. Usacheva was finally clean. I love her skating. Berestovskaya had a DG 4t, but her skating is greatly lacking. Khromykh had an excellent LP.

Gubanova was almost clean except a bad fall on 2a on her final jump... still didn't break 200. But her program is so uninteresting. 17 Moments of Boring. Tsibinova deservedly first. Guliakova was okay for her.

Yes, Kseniia Ts always seemed to be standing at the edge of the group at snowleopards (in a nice kind of a way) and absent from podia, so it is good to see her flourishing under Davydov. A well-fought-for and deserved victory in Sochi.

 

[Nord Stream 2]

If anyone has videos of the juniors from russian cup today could you post a link?
I could find the seniors on YT and Im glad Gubanova had a good outing. Not perfect but better than previous this season. In the free she had a verry strange fall on her last jump (2A) but otherwise good (two UR calls as well unforturnately) but with all this a score in the 190s is pretty good.

Girls and women together. You'll have something to do on Sunday . There is almost 6 hours... Dasha on 3-15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGvvGRtETBA

 

[Tolstoj]

Judging seems to be stricter to Russian girls. Looking at Young You's/Rika's score in Canada or Bradie's in the US I don't see any stricter calls. And these are the only ladies who are competitive with the top Russians. Conspiracy theory? Whatever. First Anna at Lombardia's SP, then Liza with "URs", then Sasha with level 2, now Alina with Lze and Alena with UR without UR. Judges are doing what they can, it looks like that. Disgusting.

I've noticed this a lot in juniors whenever there is a serious chance of an All russian GPF, or pretty much all the event where 2 russians have locked their first and second position and the third one is closer (even though still slightly better) than someone else.

Basically since Russia already has many top contenders, judges have to balance things out to make it look there are chances to medal for the other countries. In fairness i think the same applies to other categories, in fact since Russia is struggling with the men you saw here Samarin getting those huge gifts in components just because he's consistent with the quads.

Long story short, the leaders will always get the biggest scores, while those who are more on the edge, tend to get screwed with underscoring: right now Shcherbakova and Trusova are the leaders because of the quads, the third spot will be a fight for Kihira, Kostornaya, Zagitova, Tuktamysheva and others behind them (including Tursynbaeva too)

The skaters can do nothing but skating consistently clean all the time, even in spite of questionable UR and edge calls, at some point judges will have to reward your quality if you skate clean every single time.

Tutberidze skaters showed they can perform the best they can at every event, so i wouldn't be all that worried.

 

[flanker]

Different competition different judging

I thought skate canada judging was hell bent on giving out low step sequence levels to the majority of skaters but not particularly strict at all with the rest.

We can't say what Rika might have got in France, she was not there.
Chances are she would suffer the wrath of the judges just the same.

With 5 and 7 points difference? That can't be apologized by different competition. Why even bother with having things like SB, PB, records etc., when there will be always different competitions. And skaters need feedback. When one panel says something is clean or lvl 4 and other says different, how can skater start to think about what to make better.

 

[Ophelia]

A lot of people here who cry conspiracy theories against Russian ladies don't remember the fact that for a lot of years since Sochi Olys, a lot of top Russian ladies have been over scored to the moon and back especially in PCS and GOEs. But hey, a few strict calls against them and suddenly, ISU is out to get RusFed. The short program was wild but in a matter of hours it will be history. Move on.

This. The victim complex is strong here.

 

[Jontor]

Anyway, what are the Russian Cup standings so far? I assume Tsibinova has already qualified for RusNats. What are the other main contenders?

Tsibinova, Nugumanova and I think Gubanova are clear for Rusnats. Gulyakova I don't know, she has a 3rd and 5th place so she might miss out. I expect Leonova and Talalaykina to Q from stages 4 and 5.

 

[flanker]

A lot of people here who cry conspiracy theories against Russian ladies don't remember the fact that for a lot of years since Sochi Olys, a lot of top Russian ladies have been over scored to the moon and back especially in PCS and GOEs. But hey, a few strict calls against them and suddenly, ISU is out to get RusFed. The short program was wild but in a matter of hours it will be history. Move on.

In what way overscoring in Sochi is less conspiracy theory?

Not the matter that damaging skaters who had nothing to do would be no solution to it even if it was true.

 

[Fluture]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Aimelisse/status/1190666065149407237?s=20

Meanwhile while we‘re bickering here, Aliona cried after practice again. Poor girl, breaks my heart to see her like that. Can anyone tell her she‘s amazing and beautiful and strong no matter what happens today? She won the SP after terrible practices, she prevailed and landed her 3A. It‘s more than anyone would have thought just a few months ago. I wish she wasn‘t feeling so much pressure to end in first here... She’ll be okay, even with a silver! Just do your best, Aliona and everything will be alright!

 

[Happy Skates]

Tsibinova, Nugumanova and I think Gubanova are clear for Rusnats. Gulyakova I don't know, she has a 3rd and 5th place so she might miss out. I expect Leonova and Talalaykina to Q from stages 4 and 5.

Tarakanova will probably qualify also (assuming she's set to compete at one of these stages). She already has a 2nd place and that was with whatever weird problem was going on (boot problems I think?), so she should probably easily win whichever stage is next. And did Nugumanova already do two? I know she's won one of them but I didn't realize she'd done two. Does anyone remember what Leonova and Talalaykina placed in their first events also? I thought they were off the podium. There are only 6 spaces left after GP and JGPF automatic qualifications, so its going to be a close battle.

 

[flanker]

Alina seeing Aliona's fall:
https://imgur.com/tPpHvgc

I hope this tells something about her to those who are not exactly her fans...

BTW if Aliona has some problems now, I would put that on the account of the scoring yesterday. Such things affect people.

 

[nussnacker]

Alina seeing Aliona's fall:
https://imgur.com/tPpHvgc

I hope this tells something about her to those who are not exactly her fans...

BTW if Aliona has some problems now, I would put that on the account of the scoring yesterday. Such things affect people.

I think Alina said "It's painful" ("больно")

 

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I've noticed this a lot in juniors whenever there is a serious chance of an All russian GPF, or pretty much all the event where 2 russians have locked their first and second position and the third one is closer (even though still slightly better) than someone else.

Basically since Russia already has many top contenders, judges have to balance things out to make it look there are chances to medal for the other countries. In fairness i think the same applies to other categories, in fact since Russia is struggling with the men you saw here Samarin getting those huge gifts in components just because he's consistent with the quads.

Long story short, the leaders will always get the biggest scores, while those who are more on the edge, tend to get screwed with underscoring: right now Shcherbakova and Trusova are the leaders because of the quads, the third spot will be a fight for Kihira, Kostornaya, Zagitova, Tuktamysheva and others behind them (including Tursynbaeva too)

The skaters can do nothing but skating consistently clean all the time, even in spite of questionable UR and edge calls, at some point judges will have to reward your quality if you skate clean every single time.

Tutberidze skaters showed they can perform the best they can at every event, so i wouldn't be all that worried.

I could have agreed with you if there was no 3 only quota. Russian "dominance" is effectively limited by this rule for the Europeans and the Worlds. So the "worst" scenario is the full podium - everything below that will be open. What happens before the big events are supposedly individual competitions where all the best are competiting. Therefore, screwing scorewise Russia's #4 to #6 would make no sense in theory as they won't go to big competitions anyway. But it does. Because Russia's #1 - #3 have a mean score and variance. And this variance can be affected by many factors like unexpected Liza's pneumonia last season.