2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Mishaminion]

Oh Alyona, sweetie, it's okay :sad21:

She's a fighter, we know that but these girls are so hard on themselves. The competition is so fierce the tiniest mistake can cost them dearly.

Alina's reaction was the pain we all feel for Alyona, Alina understands it better than any of us, she's lived it.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

Alina seeing Aliona's fall:
https://imgur.com/tPpHvgc

I hope this tells something about her to those who are not exactly her fans...

BTW if Aliona has some problems now, I would put that on the account of the scoring yesterday. Such things affect people.

She also cried on the day of the first practice, so long before the SP. I would not connect her crying today to the SP scores but rather on her being upset about the practices not going how she wanted them to be.

 

[katymay]

Girls and women together. You'll have something to do on Sunday . There is almost 6 hours... Dasha on 3-15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGvvGRtETBA

There are probably about 10 girls in the middle of the pack (younger) you can tell are really going to be something in a few years. So many of these little girls are wonderful, that you realize that the only thing that will boost them over the rest will be a 3A or a quad. They can all do strong 3-3's. They can all do strong single triples. The girls who can get a quad or a 3A will move ahead of their peers. The rest are probably better than other girls their age all over the world, but it won't help them in Russia.

 

[Vandevska]

Banging your head against a wall for one hour can burn up to 150 calories

You keep making me laugh today. [emoji23] It's very welcomed since I'm sick.

 

[Fluture]

BTW if Aliona has some problems now, I would put that on the account of the scoring yesterday. Such things affect people.

Oh come on, now. Aliona had problems before the SP already, there was no scoring to be upset with. She‘s a strong girl but she‘s also very young and the pressure she‘s facing to be perfect is immense. It was like that before the event even started, she‘s the third of the new seniors to compete at her GP, the other two have already won theirs. Probably she feels she has to win hers, too. Besides, she‘s also the only one who debuted her ultra-c element only this season, Anna and Sasha have skated internationally with their quads lots of times before. And it‘s hard for her, the 3A, she‘s said it herself. Of course the score might have upset her but seriously, to act as if this was the only thing bothering her now is ridiculous. She‘s had rough practices and troubles all week, which is why it‘s so admirable that she even managed to skate that SP cleanly at all!

 

[Mishaminion]

Alina seeing Aliona's fall:
https://imgur.com/tPpHvgc

I hope this tells something about her to those who are not exactly her fans...

BTW if Aliona has some problems now, I would put that on the account of the scoring yesterday. Such things affect people.

Oh come on that is totally unfair.

Alyona struggled with practice before the SP and got upset then too.
Please don't use this poor young lady's struggles as fodder for your cause.

 

[katymay]

I think either the lighting in the arena-or some other problem-is causing the ice to melt as each flight progresses. Then it becomes soft, and it is hard to get any lift on soft ice. (Shoma doesn't have high jumps to begin with, and sinking into the soft ice-he couldn't get the rotation. It was a train wreck) Perhaps this is also the issue with Alina and Alonya. Even Nathan didn't have his usual lift.

Again, I'm glad neither Trusova nor Shcerbakova got assigned to this GP-they both depend on their jumps to win.

I think the main issue is just really crummy ice conditions.

 

[Finley]

Banging your head against a wall for one hour can burn up to 150 calories

And it also feels amazing when you stop. It will make you wonder why you ever started in the first place.

 

[Mishaminion]

I think either the lighting in the arena-or some other problem-is causing the ice to melt as each flight progresses. Then it becomes soft, and it is hard to get any lift on soft ice. (Shoma doesn't have high jumps to begin with, and sinking into the soft ice-he couldn't get the rotation. It was a train wreck) Perhaps this is also the issue with Alina and Alonya. Even Nathan didn't have his usual lift.

Again, I'm glad neither Trusova nor Shcerbakova got assigned to this GP-they both depend on their jumps to win.

I think the main issue is just really crummy ice conditions.

France has always been like this it seems, soft and melty ice.

I remember several French GPs where there has been issues with the ice, including big puddles of water all over the surface.

Very unfair on skaters to have to deal with such conditions.

 

[bubblecherry]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Aimelisse/status/1190666065149407237?s=20

Meanwhile while we‘re bickering here, Aliona cried after practice again. Poor girl, breaks my heart to see her like that. Can anyone tell her she‘s amazing and beautiful and strong no matter what happens today? She won the SP after terrible practices, she prevailed and landed her 3A. It‘s more than anyone would have thought just a few months ago. I wish she wasn‘t feeling so much pressure to end in first here... She’ll be okay, even with a silver! Just do your best, Aliona and everything will be alright!

Aw, Aliona She gets so upset with herself after mistakes. It's a bit worrisome. She clearly loves skating and wants to do her best, but seeing her so distraught is just so hard. I hope her team is helping her through this because I don't know if such up & downs are sustainable. I hope she kills it today, just like she was able to yesterday, even after bad practices.

In other news, it seems like Daria is really gaining a lot of momentum. Certainly seems like she's on the right track. She's so lovely and I hope she can bring that to GPF and sneak in for a medal there

 

[Mishaminion]

Aw, Aliona She gets so upset with herself after mistakes. It's a bit worrisome. She clearly loves skating and wants to do her best, but seeing her so distraught is just so hard. I hope her team is helping her through this because I don't know if such up & downs are sustainable. I hope she kills it today, just like she was able to yesterday, even after bad practices.

In other news, it seems like Daria is really gaining a lot of momentum. Certainly seems like she's on the right track. She's so lovely and I hope she can bring that to GPF and sneak in for a medal there

I can imagine Alina giving her a hug and some "big sister to little sister" advice, she probably does do that. Alina is kind and supportive to the younger skaters, it is hard on all of them and she's sort of the veteran now...lol..at 17.

Darya was very impressive, hope she can continue to improve consistency.
Feel bad for Maiia, consistency is her big weakness, she's lovely when she's on though.

 

[flanker]

Oh come on that is totally unfair.

Alyona struggled with practice before the SP and got upset then too.
Please don't use this poor young lady's struggles as fodder for your cause.

Yes, I'm sorry, I made a mistake when I thought that being unfairly scored can have an impact on your menality. I apologize to you and to the others who explained this to me.

 

[Finley]

Alina seeing Aliona's fall:
https://imgur.com/tPpHvgc

I hope this tells something about her to those who are not exactly her fans...

BTW if Aliona has some problems now, I would put that on the account of the scoring yesterday. Such things affect people.

They do have an affect but I think skaters with a champion mentality are more likely to be fired up than discouraged by scoring that feels less than fair. That is how I see Aliona and all of Team Tut - they are always going to come out fighting.

But it is painful to see her struggle with her jumps and fall and be frustrated.

 

[Mishaminion]

Yes, I'm sorry, I made a mistake when I thought that being unfairly scored can have an impact on your menality. I apologize to you and to the others who explained this to me.

None of us know what is going through her head.

Probably a whole bunch of things, including feeling the immense pressure.

The UR she got on her 3A whether it was fair or not might be a concern, she had one clean and one UR at Finlandia, so additional pressure to be squeaky clean on both this time with the eyes of judges ready to punish any mistake on her.

I think that applies to all the ladies, they'll be dreading their own possible errors.

 

[Scott512]

No, it's not cute at all. There is a science called statistics. If you ask 1000 random people about who they are going to vote for the result will be very close to how 100 million people will vote. We have statistics already. If you take top Russian skaters they are judged differently this year than they were judged the year ago. They got low levels they never had before, they receive edge calls that they never received before, etc. Bringing the argument that there are many other strict calls is just a diversion. Who are those skaters who receive these strict calls? Did they receive the same calls last season or it just started now? Most important, are those skaters competitive talking about podiums or we are fighting for 53 rather than 51 in the short program? What is even more important why this trend is not visible with Rika/Bradie/Young? Bradie somehow skated with no URs for the first time since very long. Young for her very first in history clean 3A attempt received higher GOE than Liza on any of her 3 triple axels in the USA. Some said it was URed - but this is of course another conspiracy theory.

It's statistics now. You can explain it once, twice. But not like it is now. And, yes, Zhenya is somehow immune so far because her tech calls are similar to what they were. And if we compare the lutz on which she fell which received ! with Alina's e on the lutz, yes, of course it's just about different technical panels. Sure, sure.

Interesting and very well explained. But some people are still going to want to debate you on this.

 

[el henry]

Yes, I'm sorry, I made a mistake when I thought that being unfairly scored can have an impact on your menality. I apologize to you and to the others who explained this to me.

Are you trying to be sarcastic and mock another poster?:scratch:

 

[Mishaminion]

I give up

*grabs some alcohol*

Just to settle my nerves... ahem lol

 

[flanker]

They do have an affect but I think skaters with a champion mentality are more likely to be fired up than discouraged by scoring that feels less than fair. That is how I see Aliona and all of Team Tut - they are always going to come out fighting.

But it is painful to see her struggle with her jumps and fall and be frustrated.

Definitely this goes for Alina. She had to overcome the hardest school of life, when things didn't come as expected, when many people wre wishing her the worst and were literally digging a grave for her. She fortunately found her solid ground and knows that she can fire and forget everything that goes against her. Aliona is younger and with not so much experience yet. In comparison with Alina, who wasn't considered "talent itself" for a very long time, everything went well for her. I remember that when she had troubles in Ostrava last year, she cried. I think it was Daniil who said that time that Aliona is one of the skaters who can do everything they ant easily and Aliona sometimes "neglected" trainings a little (that's of course relative, she trained hard as the others, just sometimes probably relied more on the talent than training peocedures. Ostrava made her to change this and started to work harder. But that time she knew those were her mistakes, while this time it was something from the outside. Battling yourself is one thing but battling outside world is another. She will need time to adjust on that.

 

[Mishaminion]

Definitely this goes for Alina. She had to overcome the hardest school of life, when things didn't come as expected, when many people wre wishing her the worst and were literally digging a grave for her. She fortunately found her solid ground and knows that she can fire and forget everything that goes against her. Aliona is younger and with not so much experience yet. In comparison with Alina, who wasn't considered "talent itself" for a very long time, everything went well for her. I remember that when she had troubles in Ostrava last year, she cried. I think it was Daniil who said that time that Aliona is one of the skaters who can do everything they ant easily and Aliona sometimes "neglected" trainings a little (that's of course relative, she trained hard as the others, just sometimes probably relied more on the talent than training peocedures. Ostrava made her to change this and started to work harder. But that time she knew those were her mistakes, while this time it was something from the outside. Battling yourself is one thing but battling outside world is another. She will need time to adjust on that.

What is she battling on the outside?

She's battling herself, she always has.

Oh wait I get it I see what you're implying, so don't bother.

I need a drink....

 

[flanker]

Are you trying to be sarcastic and mock another poster?:scratch:

Negative.