Johnny Weir Makes a Coaching Change
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Looking at the world stats really show how successful we have been at the worlds. It's so fascinating. I have never seen those list. Some fan I am! Thanks Sylvia
I couldn't agree more:thumbsup:
Didn't know Galina Zmievskaya coached 2 girls back in 1996: Jessica Mills and Alicia Cavanaugh. I found this info in an old US Nats report:
http://www.frogsonice.com/skateweb/reports/1996-nationals.txt
One more old Nats impression:
From: http://www.plover.com/colorcommentary/usnats1997.html
http://www.frogsonice.com/skateweb/reports/1996-nationals.txt
One more old Nats impression:
From: http://www.plover.com/colorcommentary/usnats1997.html
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What happen to Jessica Mills?
She's become a member of this cast:
http://www.icetheatre.org/perform_performers.html
http://www.icetheatre.org/perform_performers.html
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Steve Young and Jerry Rice both come to mind... Joe Montana was like Michelle Kwan - no one ever wanted to see him retire, save for those fans that weren't die hard San Fran fans (ie Cowboys, Bills, Packers... lol) but Jerry Rice was the biggie I think even my parents believed his time had passed... but he's still a legend, and will always remain as such...
I'm not an online football fan at all, so I can't say for sure if it's discussed... but Jerry Rice has been labeled as someone who stayed far too long...
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Thanks, Kathleen!
It's great for Johnny to realize the necessity of changing. I didn't mean to say that Priscilla Hill is not good enough any more. She is an excellent coach. I think the reason Johnny has stated is so true and as expected. I've read somewhere that Galina Zmievskaya has been called the "Iron Lady". Is her coaching style similar to Tatiana Tarasova's? If it is, it really raised my hope for Johnny. I wish Johnny would learn from other skaters' experiences and mistakes, especially from Sasha Cohen. I hope Zmievskaya could give him the very much needed pressure in training without resistance soon after. I hope she could be the one who pushes Johnny to the top. It's been great with Victor Petrenko aside.
It's great for Johnny to realize the necessity of changing. I didn't mean to say that Priscilla Hill is not good enough any more. She is an excellent coach. I think the reason Johnny has stated is so true and as expected. I've read somewhere that Galina Zmievskaya has been called the "Iron Lady". Is her coaching style similar to Tatiana Tarasova's? If it is, it really raised my hope for Johnny. I wish Johnny would learn from other skaters' experiences and mistakes, especially from Sasha Cohen. I hope Zmievskaya could give him the very much needed pressure in training without resistance soon after. I hope she could be the one who pushes Johnny to the top. It's been great with Victor Petrenko aside.
Johnny also toured with Victor Petrenko the past few months and I think he may have some valuable input too. Btw, here's a link that goes directly to the coaching change article - (for some reason the other link just went to the homepage) : http://www.ifsmagazine.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=431
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I agree! His on & off-ice training is somewhat lacking (don't flame me-I've watched him "train"). He spends a lot of time sitting/standing around talking...drinking coffee.Wow...this kind of shocked me!
I do wish Weir all the best in this new partnership, and do hope he meets all the goals he sets for himself!!!
Having said that: Johnny, please, please, please consider doing run throughs of your programs (often); please, please, please consider doing some kind of off ice endurance and muscle training (you need power to work through nerves and to land 3x3's and a quad), and please, please pretty please keep those wonderful smooth liquid like edges!!!! oh, and have fun too
Which brings up another tidbit-you can't train like an athlete if you don't eat like one! Small wonder he has no endurance-he eats nothing for fuel (coffee is not food for fuel).
Even my coach has me do 4-5 runthroughs-back to back weeks before a competition to buid endurance. And I'm old!!!
(ok, old fart stepping down from lecture box).
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Thanks S@D for those tidbits of Johnny. Reading about his training confirms my thinking that all is not well with him personally. When I've been upset about something (not work related), I lost appetite. It's good that it is coffee and not booz.I agree! His on & off-ice training is somewhat lacking (don't flame me-I've watched him "train"). He spends a lot of time sitting/standing around talking...drinking coffee.
Which brings up another tidbit-you can't train like an athlete if you don't eat like one! Small wonder he has no endurance-he eats nothing for fuel (coffee is not food for fuel).
Even my coach has me do 4-5 runthroughs-back to back weeks before a competition to buid endurance. And I'm old!!!
I'm beginning to understand more about the coach change. He had to get away from that environment. I think it is a step in the right direction. Hope so.
Joe
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Any gossip about Johnny Weir coming from the University of Delaware rink isn't the most reliable...:sheesh:
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if the skating habits of his are true then he truly is a great skater... if he's so ill prepared and still able to pull a half way decent program out...
just saying *shrugs*
just saying *shrugs*
Okay, off topic a bit. Not speaking about Weir. (Have no real knowledge of his training regimin.)
But I've never understood the wisdom of not doing run-thru's. I've heard of numerous skaters over the years who train "sequences" of a program, or "jumping passages" but rarely do full run-thru's. Don't get it. I work in the theater and run-thru's are your friend. That's how you work on establishing and maintaining flow, communicating with your audience and getting the performance into your "muscle memory." If I were a coach you'd better believe my skaters would do multiple run-thru's. Regularly.
But I've never understood the wisdom of not doing run-thru's. I've heard of numerous skaters over the years who train "sequences" of a program, or "jumping passages" but rarely do full run-thru's. Don't get it. I work in the theater and run-thru's are your friend. That's how you work on establishing and maintaining flow, communicating with your audience and getting the performance into your "muscle memory." If I were a coach you'd better believe my skaters would do multiple run-thru's. Regularly.
My thoughts exactly. Imagine what he could do if he didn't just sit around drinking coffee and watching the soaps all day.
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ITA. As far as I know, the only rational Johnny has given for not doing them is that he doesn't like to do them. Not a good enough reason, IMO.
I don't know her attitude about run-throughs, but from what Johnny said about working with Tarasova, she insisted on him doing his step sequences over and over again, until he hated them, lol. But it seemed to pay off. His SS in his Rondo, Otonal, and Swan programs were outstanding. In comparison to those, his steps in his SP last season were slow and labored at times--and that program was his strong suit compared to the FS.
I can understand some of what Johnny is saying. I became very, very close with my vocal coach and it got to the point that I wasn't making progress because of the relationship. It was part him because he didn't feel comfortable pushing me and being mean when needed and it was part me because I knew I could coast with him and rely on the relationship. We both recognized it and even talked about it, however the ultimate end of the conversation was that I WAS RESPONSIBLE for my progress, not him.I had to find the motivation to practice and go full out in lessons.
That is what bothers me about Johnny's comments. Yes, a new coach will offer a change and probably new motivation, but only for a time. If the true desire and motivation does not come from inside he will end up switching coaches right and left always looking for that shock to get him moving without sustaining force.
A coach can yell and demand and require and expect, but the individual is the one who has to respond. If the motivation and desire to work hard in the ugly confines of a practice rink isn't there with someone you like and trust, then the psuhing and shoving of someone you don't really know and believe in yet will get just as frustrating!
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