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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

Ahahah xD
It was Aliona should leave Eteri until she got her 3A. Now it’s Anna’s turn :D

Honestly it's like they have rotas they put each Eteri girl through. Rota 1 - Skater will be destroyed by puberty. Rota 2 - Skater time is up at Eteri camp. Rota 3 - Skater should now leave Eteri.
 
So, I‘ve watched it all and I’m not as thrilled as I expected to be, given my favorite winning and all. I think everyone knows by now what a huge Aliona fan I am and yet today I thought the scores just weren‘t .. right. Her 3As both looked UR, with the first one being close to a downgrade, her lutz edge is flat and due to the mistakes her interpretation in the beginning wasn’t as sharp as I’m used to. And... she still wins the FS? Today, I thought Rika was better, even lutz-less. Aliona should have won overall, given the pristine SP and her BV advantage but the FS today was not as good compared to Rika. I can‘t say I‘m angry, I‘m just disappointed at the judging:

No ! calls for either Alina or Aliona and huge GOE even though their edges were clearly flat? Ignored URs for both of them? And that’s not even mentioning PCS. A FS where an Alina who was understandably mostly focused on the jumps and only showed some interpretation in the step sequence gets the highest scores for interpretation? Where she beats Aliona AND Rika in skating skills who are two of the best in the business? The only thing I thought was appropriately judged was Aliona’s composition mark being the lowest of her components. You can be angry at me for saying this but her FS, as much as she likes it (and as much as I have admittedly come to enjoy it) is just not a well choreographed piece. I‘m by no means a huge fan of Rika‘s FS but imo, it shows very well how you combine multiple music cuts without it becoming jarring and confusing. Today, I would have had the PCS: Rika > Aliona > Alina with a reasonable difference from first to second and an even bigger difference from second to third. And just to say that now, this has nothing to do with the skaters. Alina‘s FS is great and had she skated it like at test skates or JO, my ranking might have looked very different. But today she was focused on something else and that was getting the jumps done. More or less the same can be said for Aliona but she at least has good skating skills backing her up.

On any rate, it seems like the letter the ISU got worked. And that just makes me question the sport I‘m watching. For the records, I think the placements are absolutely correct and I‘m happy for Alina and Aliona, they did very well and their medals are absolutely deserved. But I just do not understand the scores being given for what I‘ve seen on the ice.

Now, I‘m not going to lie either. Given the huge scores Sasha gets even for a FS with two falls, I was not too unhappy that Alina and Aliona, who I think are both way better skaters, got scores that indicated that they can compete with Sasha if they skate cleanly. But two wrongs don’t make a right and I just felt that the judging as a whole has not been better since that “inquiry“ to look into the “inconsistent“ judging. On the contrary. Congratulations to Aliona and Alina, however, and well done. But I think it’ll take some time to stop caring about that. Sometimes I manage to block out the judging and just focus on watching the skaters that I love, but today that was not the case. I’m working on it, though, because the way things are now, it looks like nothing’s going to change in quite a while. And losing so many nerves over unfair judging that‘s never going to change would be.. quite stupid. But oh well. Sometimes I just can’t help it. :laugh: :shrug:

But again, congrats to the girls who are not at fault for any of this. Seeing them happy certainly makes me a bit more happy too. :)

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100% agree. I love Aliona, but fair scoring would have had her several points lower in the free. (and second in the free, although still first overall) The same is true for Alina. I wish the ISU would just do its job and fairly call all skaters. I want fair judging even if it hurts my favourites. However, I am happy that Aliona and Alena look satisfied with their scores.
 
100% agree. I love Aliona, but fair scoring would have had her several points lower in the free. (and second in the free, although still first overall) The same is true for Alina. I wish the ISU would just do its job and fairly call all skaters. I want fair judging even if it hurts my favourites. However, I am happy that Aliona and Alena look satisfied with their scores.

What was that phrase that was repeated ad nauseam here some time ago? Oh, yes - "Stop whining!".
 
:laugh2:So true, this. You have to laugh at those developmental biology experts offering their unsolicited advice to Alёna, Alina, Alexandra, Anna, [___candidate of the week for leaving Eteri here___]. Only the very best interests of the skater are at heart... of course.

Of course. And they usually begin with "I'm [insert Eteri's skaters' name]'s huuuuge fan, BUT..." :)
 
What was that phrase that was repeated ad nauseam here some time ago? Oh, yes - "Stop whining!".

Why? Obviously whining works... it is what the Russian federation did and now their skaters aren't getting any calls even when they clearly deserve them.
 
100% agree. I love Aliona, but fair scoring would have had her several points lower in the free. (and second in the free, although still first overall) The same is true for Alina. I wish the ISU would just do its job and fairly call all skaters. I want fair judging even if it hurts my favourites. However, I am happy that Aliona and Alena look satisfied with their scores.

Strict, fair and consequently even judging across all the GP stages could have 'hurt' all contestants, but should 'hurt' everybody equally and provide actual pointers at flaws and give the coaching teams goals and incentive to improve on those flaws.

Seems like Kogan's plea had some effect, but didn't improve the overall situation of too great a variance in calling and scoring between various events. Plus, like stated here many times, the judiciary needs better technical support, i.e. high fidelity camera's in all four corners of the rink to aid the 'sensitivity' and 'resolution' of the images that decide over rotation and edge calls. And provide some transparency in replaying the clips on the big screen to the audience, so people know why there are these deductions from the technical score.
 
Agree, guys, Rusfed is indeed so hypocritical this whole season! I mean look at their blatant overscoring of their athletes at CoR! First they overscored their men, I mean those GOEs, what am I even talking about. Then ladies. Overlooking at the very least 2 huuuuge URs on 2A-3T<-2T, and 3S-3Lo< (more like <<), for Medvedeva and giving her 4 points higher PCS than to Satoko! Disgusting, truly disgusting. Poor Satoko :-/
Oh, and what was that ! call for Medvedeva at Skate Canada, that was a flutz that was clear as day. And 34 PCS for that disaster of a short program, what in the world was that?
Rusfed, shame on you! You didn’t appeal for inconsistent calls when Medvedeva got !, and those ginormous PCS, did you?
ISU, I hope you’ll do your job next time!
Uhh, I just want fair judging :-/
 
Looking at the official standings, the top 5 Senior girls are:

Sasha
Alena
Rika
Anna
Evgenia

Interesting, indeed. What a season.
 
Strict, fair and consequently even judging across all the GP stages could have 'hurt' all contestants, but should 'hurt' everybody equally and provide actual pointers at flaws and give the coaching teams goals and incentive to improve on those flaws.

Seems like Kogan's plea had some effect, but didn't improve the overall situation of too great a variance in calling and scoring between various events. Plus, like stated here many times, the judiciary needs better technical support, i.e. high fidelity camera's in all four corners of the rink to aid the 'sensitivity' and 'resolution' of the images that decide over rotation and edge calls.

100 percent agree that technical panels need better equipment. That would make the situation better. Humans make mistakes. Better technology would help them with their accuracy.

However, federations complaining about skaters getting edge calls when they clearly deserve to get edge calls, and suddenly that federation's skaters no longer getting calls is not what the sport needs. The girls will win anyway. They are amazing. But, the scores should be fair.
 
I expect scoring will be more accurate and fair outside of Russia and Japan. Both countries have a huge interest in the Russian skaters, however I wonder how that makes Rika feel. She is a huge talent. I expect better scoring at GPF and Worlds
 
100 percent agree that technical panels need better equipment. That would make the situation better. Humans make mistakes. Better technology would help them with their accuracy.

However, federations complaining about skaters getting edge calls when they clearly deserve to get edge calls, and suddenly that federation's skaters no longer getting calls is not what the sport needs. The girls will win anyway. They are amazing. But, the scores should be fair.

Let's make it clear, scores at IdF and Cup of China were miles from fair. Also, what you are calling for is not fairness, it's "call those be blind to others". This passionate defending of the panel of judges whenever they call something (on very specific skaters, not the others) and condemning them when they don't speaks more about those who do that than about figure skating judging.

As I've said before, in history of figure skating, there wasn't a group of skaters ever that would have been submitted to such nitpicking scrutiny for every trifle.
 
Why? Obviously whining works... it is what the Russian federation did and now their skaters aren't getting any calls even when they clearly deserve them.

It depends on who's whining. For example if Washington whines about some international politics issue everyone pays attention. If Zimbabwe whines nobody cares or may be somebody laughs, at best. So whining works, just in different ways.
 
Let's make it clear, scores at IdF and Cup of China were miles from fair.

Agreed, they weren‘t exactly either. But calling harshly is better than not calling anything, in my book at least. That at least lets skaters know what to work on. Two wrongs don‘t make a right, again. COC and IdF weren‘t fair but what we‘ve seen after the “letter to the ISU“ wasn‘t either. Something in the middle would be better but apparently it can only be either one extreme or the other. I personally do not see why but so be it.

Why? Obviously whining works...

Depends on who you are. Last thing I‘m going to say on this matter.
 
Agreed, they weren‘t exactly either. But calling harshly is better than not calling anything, in my book at least. That at least lets skaters know what to work on. Two wrongs don‘t make a right, again. COC and IdF weren‘t fair but what we‘ve seen after the “letter to the ISU“ wasn‘t either. Something in the middle would be better but apparently it can only be either one extreme or the other. I personally do not see why but so be it.

Calling harshly particularly a specific group of skaters who were undeniably harmed by that makes specific group of spectators content, yes, I agree on that.
 
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