2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Fluture]

People have different levels of optimum height-weight ratios, I suppose if Alina feels like a different ratio would be more optimal, coaches and doctors around her advise her to have that ratio, she should go for it and listen to professionals around her.
Losing weight isn’t necessarily equal to ruining anyone’s body.

She would be losing weight to land a jump and she specifically said so. That’s not about “height-weight ratios“, she looks fine right now and is landing her jumps alright. So, there‘s no “additional“ weight to get rid of, she‘s in great shape. If landing a quad only works for her with as low a body weight as possible, then I hope Alina doesn‘t go for it. If losing three kilos (that’s quite a lot, especially considering how apparently gaining only a few grams can throw of your jumps altogether) sounds like a good and healthy idea to you, so be it. Everyone’s entitled to their opinions. I personally think differently. I was only responding to Flanker to say that if worrying for athletes’ health equals having tasted sour grapes, I will gladly taste some more of them, though.

 

[neusw]

It looks like the entrance and ice path that Sasha is practicing is the same as the 2A in her SP. my guess is she’ll try it once in SP at GPF and then if they feel good about it maybe think about rearranging her FS to fit it in and send her off to a smaller Russian event to try out the new layout before nationals. Same goes for Anna if she adds difficulty before nationals. Team Eteri likes to use the winter gaps to add difficulty.

 

[jenm]

Sasha’s sending a message that the rules are stupid and if the ISU is going to use it to selectively suppress the technically gifted ladies then she’s going to tear their rules into pieces. :cool14:

I don't think the rules suppresses anyone. Because if you're gonna say to skaters they should learn quads to keep up, then the same thing can be said to non-triksel skaters. Learn 3A to keep up in the short. It's fair game.

Anyway, wow Sasha really keeps on distancing herself from the rest technically. She really is embodying Daenerys Stormborn, my favorite character in Game of Thrones and I say that as a huuuuuuuge fan of the series (sans season 8 which I'm still bitter about LMAO huhu)

 

[Edwin]

One of the most athletic skaters currently on the ice, Anastasiya Tarakanova, received 68.32 for her SP in 5th stage of Russian Cup.

Was she really a competitive swimmer before devoting herself to figure skating? Shows in her build, IMO, for Russian sports school select their pupils carefully.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

I‘m sure she’ll eventually go to repeating 2 quads and 2 3A.

Why not go all in and do:

3A
4Lz
4T
3A+Eu+3S
4T+3Tx
3Lz+3Lox
3Lzx

Repeated triples: 3A and 3Lz. Repeated quads: 4Lz and 4T.

Anyone wants to compete with that?

You can't repeat two type of quads according to the rule changes from last year. Only one type of quad can be repeated. That's why she was jumping 4S

 

[Mishaminion]

Maybe Sasha can work out a good 2 Triple Axel and 3 quad program

Is that do-able?

My god she really could give the men a hard time lol

 

[Mishaminion]

You can't repeat two type of quads according to the rule changes from last year. Only one type of quad can be repeated. That's why she was jumping 4S

And some people say jumpers are not suppressed

No SP Quad

Only able to repeat one type of quad

 

[Fluture]

You can't repeat two type of quads according to the rule changes from last year. Only one type of quad can be repeated. That's why she was jumping 4S

Oops, I only just noticed that in my layout there wouldn‘t even be a repeated 4Lz. Idk why I wrote that - I think I had the second 4T switched for a 4Lz at first and then changed it. The 4T would be the only repeated quad, 3A and 3Lz the repeated triples.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

Oops, I only just noticed that in my layout there wouldn‘t even be a repeated 4Lz. Idk why I wrote that - I think I had the second 4T switched for a 4Lz at first and then changed it. The 4T would be the only repeated quad, 3A and 3Lz the repeated triples.

Yeah, that's possible layout.

 

[Edwin]

Sasha’s sending a message that the rules are stupid and if the ISU is going to use it to selectively suppress the technically gifted ladies then she’s going to tear their rules into pieces. :cool14:

These rules were devised in a time when the thought of females repeatedly and reliably jumping quads was unthinkable. Yet here we are. Russia's figure skating want to chance those rules, but wether the other nations in ISU will agree is still not clear. No counter arguments have yet been voiced, no positions taken?

We can imagine those other federations voting representatives in ISU not wanting to give FFKKR this advantage, since the other federations do not benefit from state funded sports schools for children and youths.

 

[flanker]

Nastya had solid short, though she rotated to catch the balance after landing the combo. She is third behind Sima Sakhanovich and Anna Frolova.

 

[nussnacker]

She would be losing weight to land a jump and she specifically said so. That’s not about “height-weight ratios“, she looks fine right now and is landing her jumps alright. So, there‘s no “additional“ weight to get rid of, she‘s in great shape. If landing a quad only works for her with as low a body weight as possible, then I hope Alina doesn‘t go for it. If losing three kilos (that’s quite a lot, especially considering how apparently gaining only a few grams can throw of your jumps altogether) sounds like a good and healthy idea to you, so be it. Everyone’s entitled to their opinions. I personally think differently. I was only responding to Flanker to say that if worrying for athletes’ health equals having tasted sour grapes, I will gladly taste some more of them, though.

Yes, and that’s exactly a height-weight ratio.
Perhaps she doesn’t feel entirely comfortable with it right now, and needs adjustment to make things possible.
Moreover, Alina said it will be dangerous to try quads at her current weight, which I believe comes from knowledgeable people around her.
Looking fine to the outside world and feeling fine yourself are 2 different things.

 

[nussnacker]

You can't repeat two type of quads according to the rule changes from last year. Only one type of quad can be repeated. That's why she was jumping 4S

I meant she won’t be repeating 3Lz, but will go for 2 3A, once she’s comfortable with it, that’s worth a lot more points.

 

[Happy Skates]

Yesssss Trusova!!! She must be so happy considering how hard she's worked on this jump. We've all seen the videos of her crashing on it and crying, and she's been trying this since what, the age of 12? And now a triple axel first at age 15 . I had a feeling this was coming because of the poodle and how she said at Skate Canada that it was getting closer. But I'm still so happy! Seeing Young You and Rika Kihira beat her in the sp at Skate Canada, while her training mate Alyona Kostornaia landed them at home must have lit a fire under her to land one. I don't think Sasha likes being out-jumped .

She's probably looking to add it in the short (which will certainly make the short program more interesting/dramatic). Whether it goes in the long will be a bigger question. She now has such a huge collection of 3A/quads to choose from. I could see her just keeping the current lp layout as it has high enough scoring potential and waiting until she's comfortable competing the 3A. However, if the 3A is more consistent than her 4S, I could see her replacing the 4S with a 3A, and then replacing the 2A with a 3F. I don't know if she'd do both the 4S and the 3A so soon though. She doesn't take much time to set up for her 2A in the long, so adding it to that position would require some maneuvering.

Either way, the 3A looks huge! Good for Sasha.

 

[Jontor]

Cup of Russia Stage 5 - the final one

After the short:

1. Serafima Sakhanovich 73.47 (I don't know what she's doing here, she has already q'd for RusNats)
2. Anna Frolova 69.16 (needs to finish 5th to q to RusNats)
3. Anastasia Tarakanova 68.32 (playing it safe here, moved her backloaded combo to the front, needs to finish 5th to q to RusNats)
4. Valeria Shulskaya 67.16
5. Anna Sidorova 61.13 (had an unfortunate fall on the 2A)
6. Anastasia Kolomiets 59.05 (I just love her, but she has no chance to q to RusNats as she was only 7th at her first event)

Looks like Frolova and Tarakanova are set up nicely to grab the last two tickets to RusNats.

I wonder if Talalaykina has hired Sakhanovich to compete here? Shulskaya and/or Sidorova needs to finish at least 3rd to have a chance to kick out Talalaykina, but it seems Sakhanovich might be the one to block them out...

 

[Edwin]

I wonder if Talalaykina has hired Sakhanovich to compete here? Shulskaya and/or Sidorova needs to finish at least 3rd to have a chance to kick out Talalaykina, but it seems Sakhanovich might be the one to block them out...

Naughty, but not unthinkable and these kind of 'strategies' can be bargained. Neither have much to loose, being likely included in the C-team of Russia?

 

[nussnacker]

Yesssss Trusova!!! She must be so happy considering how hard she's worked on this jump. We've all seen the videos of her crashing on it and crying, and she's been trying this since what, the age of 12? And now a triple axel first at age 15 . I had a feeling this was coming because of the poodle and how she said at Skate Canada that it was getting closer. But I'm still so happy! Seeing Young You and Rika Kihira beat her in the sp at Skate Canada, while her training mate Alyona Kostornaia landed them at home must have lit a fire under her to land one. I don't think Sasha likes being out-jumped .

She's probably looking to add it in the short (which will certainly make the short program more interesting/dramatic). Whether it goes in the long will be a bigger question. She now has such a huge collection of 3A/quads to choose from. I could see her just keeping the current lp layout as it has high enough scoring potential and waiting until she's comfortable competing the 3A. However, if the 3A is more consistent than her 4S, I could see her replacing the 4S with a 3A, and then replacing the 2A with a 3F. I don't know if she'd do both the 4S and the 3A so soon though. She doesn't take much time to set up for her 2A in the long, so adding it to that position would require some maneuvering.

Either way, the 3A looks huge! Good for Sasha.

You know, it makes the days where people said that „Trusova will never learn 3A, her 2A is bad, she has bad technique and that’s why she can’t learn 3A“ even more funny now.
Oh, even back then I thought her 2A was excellent, but people kept saying she won’t nail it.

 

[Jontor]

Naughty, but not unthinkable and these kind of 'strategies' can be bargained. Neither have much to loose, being likely included in the C-team of Russia?

The Talalaykina drama

She finished 3rd and 4th in her events and have a total of 362.20. She seems to be the last one to q for RusNats.

But

Anna Sidorova also has a 4th and needs a 3rd with the score 190.55 to kick out Talalaykina.
Valeria Shulskaya also has a 4th and needs a 3rd with the score 189.08 to kick out Talalaykina.
If any of them places higher than 3rd - Talalaykina is out.

 

[nussnacker]

Aliona: now all 6 are ours!
Eteri: yes

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5N6rxfIkOE/

 

[Edwin]

That's why #TeamTutberidzeForProgress remains silent and only let their achievements and results speak for them.

like this:

Aliona: now all 6 are ours!
Eteri: yes

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5N6rxfIkOE/

You really need to bury your head deep under the sand or be completely ignorant to not recognise the drive to succeed in this team.

And unfortunately, one can already see the desire in others to tarnish the skaters and trainers, the pathetic drive to bring them down out of envy and jealousy.

But what is there to envious and jealous about? Any federation, any rink, any collective of trainers can work towards the same results, one only has to apply himself, find the money, willing and able skaters should come by themselves for children love to play, to learn, to compete.