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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

I hear a lot the right technic argument but most of the time it's just as we say "same candy" (repeated but without any impact) argument. No, Liza doesn't jump because she has the right technic only, actually if she had the wrong technic it would have been easier for her. She jumps 3A and quads mainly because she has the athletic ability. She has a big vertical spring and she has that since she was a kid. That's what Mishin saw in her and called her in S.Petersburg. He built on that with technic the current Liza. But let's not fool ourselves that only some kind of good technic reaches you to those achievements. Because Sofia was learned the same technic but she is not at Liza's level.
 
I don’t remember her outright denying she landed it but I also don’t speak Russian so the translation might be off. I remember her saying it was harder than quads for her and specifically talking about step outs. But I don’t remember her explicitly confirming or denying if she had ever landed a 3A. To me, she left it a little open to interpretation. But again, this may be the translation.

Plus the main evidence - her parents promised her a poodle for winning JWC again and landing 3A. She showed off the poodle at Rostelecom 😂.

yes- that why I think she got the 3A sometime between Canada and Rostelecom :laugh:
 
I don't think that having a 'granny' skater who landed a quad in training has such a pull on young skaters. The young girls that scream the loudest at any domestic figure skating event want to jump like Sasha, have a 'transformer' dress like Anna or perhaps even skating skills like Alyona. These young seniors inspire the new generation.

Really? Liza is in no way a "granny." She is a world champion and she's spent many seasons as the Russian senior lady with the highest base value. She's OBVIOUSLY inspired younger girls. She's not a skater that I particularly enjoy, I personally feel nothing seeing her quad, but my god, have some respect.
 
Granny? Very, very disrespectful- especially when some take such issue when the 15 year olds scrutinized. Shame on you! Tuktamysheva is a World Champion, and let’s face it— not all of Eteri’s current crop of youngsters will become a World Champion or have a skating career as long as Tuktamysheva has
 
I think Liza said back in 2015 when she won worlds that she only landed the 3A 25% of the time. I'm not sure though, someone remember what she said?

If she only had a 25% success rate at the time, it shows that she is willing to go for it. I'm thinking she might go for the 4T as well at RusNats...
 
I'm gonna assume Edwin didn't mean "granny" in a disrespectful way, more like how people referred to the older Russian men as "grandpas".

Although, apparently Liza has mentioned not liking being called that, so we should probably stop.

Also for shameless self-promotion, here's a post on Insta I did for Liza's 4T:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5WG1t7JUZ1
 
I'm sure there is going to be a prediction game about RusNats later on, but I just can't hold myself.

This is my prediction for Russian Nationals (for now)

1. Anna Shcherbakova (!)
2. Alena Kostornaia
3. Alexandra Trusova
4. Alina Zagitova
5. Ksenia Sinitsyna
6. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
7. Evgenia Medvedeva
8. Ksenia Tsibinova
9. Viktoria Vasilieva
10. Anastasia Gubanova
11. Sofia Samodurova
12. Elizaveta Nugumanova
13. Anastasia Tarakanova
14. Serafima Sakhanovich
15. Valeria Shulskaya
16. Anna Frolova
17. Stanislava Konstantinova
18. Maria Sotskova

I have mixed logic with wishful thinking, which is probably not the best thing to do...:laugh:
 
I'm wondering if we'll see Liza's 4T this season. We can't be sure how consistent she is with it, although the one in the video looks solid. With the 3A, it also came shortly after she posted videos of it, but she had been doing those since her early teens in practice.
Im sure she will attempt it in Golden Spin which she were assigned with Samodurva and Konstantinova. If she land it there no doubt she will include it RusNats
 
This is just my opinion and pure speculation but I wouldn’t exactly call their statements “lies” but maybe more of “half truths”. You need a certain % or successful attempts to own a jump, and an even higher % to land it consistently in competition. Maybe they don’t consider having a 3A until they are landing more than 50% of attempts? Or more than 80%? In Aliona’s 1tv interview that was filmed over the summer, she said her goal for the season was to land a 3A in competition. Why did she state this was her goal if she had no intention of training it? The video wasn’t released until after she did it.

I can believe Aliona’s 3A wasn’t working out consistently in her programs until 2 weeks before Finlandia. It explains why she didn’t do it at test skates. But her not wanting to try it again until after test skates? I find it hard to believe. I do think she was telling the truth that she was scared to try it again due to injury, I just think the timeline has been altered a bit.

Well, at the end of last season, Daniil did say that all of 3A would be trying to learn 3A's over the off season. My guess is that they ALL trained it, at least in a harness. Nord Stream 2 said he saw Aliona working the 3A when he visited Novogorsk. Perhaps during the summer she couldn't land it when she tried it off harness.

Aliona also said in one of her early interviews (around test skates) that they had to work on her other jumps because she had grown over the summer. She also had her knees all taped up when they performed the SP at test skates, so maybe there were some minor injuries along the way too. Perhaps they set aside the idea of the triple axel for the early part of the season, but after the test skates, when Aliona was told she might have to go to Junior Worlds, she decided she needed a high-difficulty jump ASAP.

If they had laid the groundwork over the summer, I think it's entirely possible that Aliona picked up the 3A again in a few weeks. On the NBC broadcasts, Tara had mentioned that when they talked to Eteri at Skate America, Eteri said that of the 3 girls, Aliona was the most fearful of the difficult jumps, so they have to move slowly with her. Maybe all Aliona really needed was the psychological motivation to conquer her fear, and the feedback from the test skates accomplished that.

To be fair, Aliona's 3A is still really not that consistent. Maybe 50-50%? But it does seem like it's getting better--at least it looked better at the first practice at NHK Trophy.

What I'm now wondering though, is if her sudden success with the 3A was really a surprise for Eteri & team, or whether it was part of their plan all along. :unsure: I remember that before 2019 Worlds, there was something like Alina was saying "no" to whatever they said, so they kind of tricked her into wanting to go to Worlds by saying she didn't have to go...? Something like that? :confused:

So I'm wondering if they knew that Aliona could do a 3A (and that she'd need it to succeed), but because she was somewhat hesitant to try it, they needed to motivate her to do it somehow--hence the talk about having to go to Junior Worlds. I don't know; it's just a thought... I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case! :yes:
 
I think Liza said back in 2015 when she won worlds that she only landed the 3A 25% of the time. I'm not sure though, someone remember what she said?

If she only had a 25% success rate at the time, it shows that she is willing to go for it. I'm thinking she might go for the 4T as well at RusNats...

I think she goes for the quad regardless of her success rate, the judges on the GP have clearly indicated through her scores she doesn't put out what they feel is necessary for a high PCS score and as long as Trusova/Kostornaia/Shcherbakova are clean on their difficult elements they are going to score more than her based on that - unless she's falling extremely awkward on the quad where there's a greater chance for injury she needs to go for it if she wants a shot at Europeans or Worlds.

Not that I know of. Apparently Evgenia tried 4S at a show in Japan over the summer but there’s no video because of broadcasting restrictions/no fan cams allowed, and none were successful.

I take 'fan accounts' with a grain of salt; during the summer there was rumors floating around that Zagitova did like a quad lutz in Japan at a show practice and was on the phone with Dudakov about it, but then here we are mid competition season and she's given an interview where she's said she's not training difficult jumps right now because she needs to lose 3kg to be able to train them safely.

I'm not looking to start a fight, but I think Liza's quad kind of highlights the flaw in the logic that Zagitova needs to lose weight to be able to even attempt a quad. I will leave it at that.

Each skater knows their own body, and I don't remember hearing about any kind of knee issues for Liza, Zagitova there's been talk that she had or has some kind of knee issue - for most last season she was taping her knees. So if she's got 'fragile' or injury prone knees then additional weight may bother her knees when jumping than if she had completely healthy knees.
 
To be fair, Aliona's 3A is still really not that consistent. Maybe 50-50%? But it does seem like it's getting better--at least it looked better at the first practice at NHK Trophy.

Maybe in practice, but in competition it is very consistent. Really, she's had just one bad landing in eight attempts (I think). One of the < calls I think was way too harsh, but even the other that was short in Finland was still a pretty good attempt. In three events, I think she's already landed more than anyone except Midori, Mao, Liza, and Rika.
 
Maybe in practice, but in competition it is very consistent. Really, she's had just one bad landing in eight attempts (I think). One of the < calls I think was way too harsh, but even the other that was short in Finland was still a pretty good attempt. In three events, I think she's already landed more than anyone except Midori, Mao, Liza, and Rika.

Yes, it is pretty impressive that it's been extremely consistent in competition despite being kinda iffy in practice. :agree:
Having been a Mao fan and watched her struggle so much with that jump, it's pretty amazing that out of 8 attempts Aliona has only had one big mistake! :eek:

I hope she can keep it up! :pray:
 
Maybe in practice, but in competition it is very consistent. Really, she's had just one bad landing in eight attempts (I think). One of the < calls I think was way too harsh, but even the other that was short in Finland was still a pretty good attempt. In three events, I think she's already landed more than anyone except Midori, Mao, Liza, and Rika.

We’ve also only seen limited videos from some official practices at competition - we have no idea the success rate in practice at home. I was at IDF and in the morning practice she landed 3/4 attempts. During the warmup she landed 1, and she landed both in the competition, so on that specific day she landed 6/7.

During the first practice at NHK she fell on 2 and landed 4-5? I don’t remember exactly. So somewhere around 4/6 or 5/7. And on the day of the SP based on reports all we know is she landed 1 in the runthru, 1 in combo with a 3T which was in a news clip, and then both her axels in the actual warmup and competition. We don’t know how many other were attempted, but that’s 4/4. Then on the day of the LP there weren’t any reports of her landing them in practice - she definitely fell in the runthru, and she fell 1x in warm up and might have landed 1, and then she landed 1 in competition, so 1/4? 2/5?

Basically what I’m trying to say is we have no idea their actual success rate in training because all we see are clips from a 30 minute training session if we are lucky, plus if the camera happens to pan to them on warm up/ fan cam clips.
 
I'm sure there is going to be a prediction game about RusNats later on, but I just can't hold myself.

This is my prediction for Russian Nationals (for now)

1. Anna Shcherbakova (!)
2. Alena Kostornaia
3. Alexandra Trusova
4. Alina Zagitova
5. Ksenia Sinitsyna
6. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
7. Evgenia Medvedeva
8. Ksenia Tsibinova
9. Viktoria Vasilieva
10. Anastasia Gubanova
11. Sofia Samodurova
12. Elizaveta Nugumanova
13. Anastasia Tarakanova
14. Serafima Sakhanovich
15. Valeria Shulskaya
16. Anna Frolova
17. Stanislava Konstantinova
18. Maria Sotskova

I have mixed logic with wishful thinking, which is probably not the best thing to do...:laugh:

Stasya and Sofia would be pissed that your predictions. ;)

Ksenia is a lovely skater but what has she ever done or won? To have her ahead of Zhenya and Liza is almost unthinkable.
 
Agree. I posted this in Sasha’s thread too, but it’s clear that what these athletes say in interviews is not the real story of what’s going on. They are keeping their training process very tight lipped now and only release videos a week or two before new elements are debuted in competition - Veronika’s quad, then Maya’s and I expect the same for Sasha’s. Remember those rumors from the summer? And most of them have come true. Just waiting on Anyas 3A and unstable quad (4F I assume) and Alina also.

Sasha 2 quad combos? Check
Aliona multiple 3As? Check
Sasha landing 3A but not stable enough for programs? I think this is now confirmed by the posting of the video just before GPF.

I believe team Eteri’s strategy has changed from when they first starting posting these videos with Sasha’s and Anna’s quads, which were indeed very early successful attempts based on interviews Sasha has done about when she first landed 4S and 4T. I think they learned a lot from posting Alena’s 3A prematurely and then having her getting repeatedly asked about it at every interview for 1.5 years. Now they only show off jumps for the really young skaters who aren’t under much pressure to perform them. For the better known girls, they will only publicize the big jumps when they are ready to go into programs.
 
Came here to just say how happy Im for my empress & brag about her!!:laugh:
After all the work the Fed does to demotivate you & make u go away & instead of this you make this kind of statements on ice!:love:

I doubt she will add it to competitive progs in the near future or maybe even not this year or at Nats but next year she will be ready to kick butt:dance: Go be healthy & happy my queen:luv17:
 
Does that mean Leonova didn't make Nationals - oh dear not good at all. I am kind of sad because unless we can find it on the internet it is highly likely we will not seen Evgenia again sthis year and possibly ever. I think the top four ladies right now Alena, Anna, Anastasia and Alina may mix up a bit for worlds and Euros. But I think Liza and Evgenia are goine. and Stasya and Maria look really out of it. I honestly think Leonova deserves to be there at nats.
 
Considering she may do a 4T I don’t think Liza is out of the conversation now.
 
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