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They didn't speak in defense of Alina, they spoke in defense of themselves. It's a cat fight with Zagitova in the middle.
2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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They didn't speak in defense of Alina, they spoke in defense of themselves. It's a cat fight with Zagitova in the middle.
Here near the end where she talks about attending the training process, but now that i'm re-reading it she could still refer to Plushenko and his lack of experience as a coach
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6D-cYfJcYy/
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I’m trying to understand all that’s going on, but my first question: So basically, TAT is a homophobe who thinks Jason Brown is a.....( “f” derogatory word) who doesn’t belong in men’s skating??
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She's way too physically mature to do Quads at this point. And that's a good and healthy thing.
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Eteri wanted Medvedeva to Leave? Yeah, probably that is why she did everything she could to make her happy after Olympics (which, to be frank, was quite disrespectful to Alina).
and BTW, comments like that (and Medvedeva's comments which looks like she got out of maximum security prison)+Medvedeva's alleged behaviour during leaving and not her leaving Eteri, is why some people dislike her.
and BTW, comments like that (and Medvedeva's comments which looks like she got out of maximum security prison)+Medvedeva's alleged behaviour during leaving and not her leaving Eteri, is why some people dislike her.
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"Lack of motivation" can be explained many ways.
Having these kind of arguments is normal in athlete-trainer dynamics, but don't always work on repeat occasions. Mental fatigue and tiredness are quite different from physical and no trainer is a graduated sports psychologist. (as if sports psychologists know the definite answer at all times, they are taught to follow certain scripts and often cannot reach deep into the athlete's mind when he isn't in full cooperation mode)
And most programs don't have a psychologist on board, for it is deemed a bad sign, i.e. weakness in the athlete and incompetence in the trainer. Most trainers rather stomp out any 'deficiencies' in their charges the hard way than put themselves through a long, emotional 'soft' path. Which perhaps explains why the adolescent boy skaters perform much worse compared to the girls. Boys don't cry, stifle it, 'man up, you!' and such.
Child and young teen athletes trust their trainers and coaches unconditionally, only when going through adolescence their independent 'self' forms itself, based on all kinds of influences. And they start to think for themselves, don't take every word by an elder for granted anymore. It takes only a small seed of mistrust and proper 'nourishment' by other parties, friends, parents, social media for a rift to grow.
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FYI, Tarasova didn't say anything wrong about 'them', her comment was only about Alina and 'their' answer to her was also only about Alina.
P.S Out of curiosity, isn't Liza 'too physically mature' to do quads? or on top of age restrictions we need 'minimum height' restriction too (probably 160cm). We need to do something to prevent evil Eteri dominating ladies FS and banning quads clearly isn't solution (After all, Alina won OG without any).
P.S Out of curiosity, isn't Liza 'too physically mature' to do quads? or on top of age restrictions we need 'minimum height' restriction too (probably 160cm). We need to do something to prevent evil Eteri dominating ladies FS and banning quads clearly isn't solution (After all, Alina won OG without any).
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No, I think this scandal was about Yagudin. Read his post after NHK on IG. He also liked and responded to a bunch of hateful comments. During Jason's performances he once said that Jason is not interesting so he can continue to talk about previous subject. A very messed up situation, I remember fans even started a petition to get him removed as a commentator. Doesn't belong to this thread though, I wonder why a separate one wasn't opened, since it got pretty big on another site for example. The petition was started for TAT as well, but because of the recent scandal.
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Yeah, sure, let‘s completely disregard the words of a kid and call her a liar (or, the nicer version that you used: “completely untrustworthy“) just because we don‘t like her words. Should have expected that, it‘s always the students that become lazy, childish, unreliable and untrustworthy after they leave, isn‘t it? How incredibly convenient.
Seriously, we‘ll never agree on this topic and it‘s fine, I‘ve given up on that long ago. But calling a teenager “completely untrustworthy“ for a interview she gives just because one doesn‘t like the topic she addresses, goes too far.
Oh i know this very well, experiencing it in first person.
I played basketball for like 6-7 years until 12-13, i was even very good but also very timid at the time, so i often had amazing practices but never really showing all my skills during the match. Because of that and because there was some clear bigger push (financial) for other teammates, the coaches work individually with the ones they like more and leave out the rest in the reserve groups. I lost interest in the sport because of that and quitted. I've always regretted not trying out with other coaches.
It is curious tho, to see it at a very high level, when usually athletes are coached individually.
I never said to believe her words or even Doug Haw, after all they are all on the other side, they have reasons to trash talk that group.
I just wanted to remember some of the things that were said from former skaters. I could have posted Vladimir Samoilov thoughts on Eteri too.
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She may have called the lack of motivation somewhere else.
But does it really matter? Her sister which is also her agent (from my understanding) said those things more directly.
I said in that previous post that things are being held in good manners compared to Yulia or Evgenia because i believe the relationship between Alina and her coach is still there. If she wants to retire or change coach she will inform Eteri first, or move to a coach Eteri approves.
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Yeah, sure, let‘s completely disregard the words of a kid and call her a liar (or, the nicer version that you used: “completely untrustworthy“) just because we don‘t like her words. Should have expected that, it‘s always the students that become lazy, childish, unreliable and untrustworthy after they leave, isn‘t it? How incredibly convenient.
The fact that it corresponds your opinion (or should I say "is convenient to you") doesn't change a thing on what I've written, that Shuboderova's words aren't supported by literally anything (or anybody). Or we should call all the others liars? Emotional reactions are not arguments. Nevertheless, this is seven months old discussion.
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I think it does. I'd rather posters here didn't post outright lies, like you did.
What now?!?
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Yeah, sure, let‘s completely disregard the words of a kid and call her a liar (or, the nicer version that you used: “completely untrustworthy“) just because we don‘t like her words. Should have expected that, it‘s always the students that become lazy, childish, unreliable and untrustworthy after they leave, isn‘t it? How incredibly convenient.
Seriously, we‘ll never agree on this topic and it‘s fine, I‘ve given up on that long ago. But calling a teenager “completely untrustworthy“ for a interview she gives just because one doesn‘t like the topic she addresses, goes too far.
Well, sports culture not only is Russia is like this: the program director/chief trainer is king of the castle, his word is law. Take it or leave for the conditions in the next rink if you think they are so much better. Work hard or get out, etc.
Unless of course there is is a financially profitable to behave otherwise. But even then, you don't want your production line contaminated by unmotivated loafers.
So that's why elite sports culture is the same everywhere, and certainly isn't for the feeble.
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Eteri is known to be extremely demanding coach, who demands extreme hard work from everyone,regardless of talent or how many competitions they have won. With that kind of coaching and recognition her school has (everyone wants to go there),there are many people who cant work like you need to work in her team and quit. Some of them get angry because of it.
Frankly, if she didn't have many ex-students who don't like her,it would be more surprising,her way of coaching basically creates 'dropouts'.
Eteri isn't only demanding coach with 'It's my way or the highway' style, sure this isn't for everyone but I doubt anybody got them there by force or kept there against their will.
Frankly, if she didn't have many ex-students who don't like her,it would be more surprising,her way of coaching basically creates 'dropouts'.
Eteri isn't only demanding coach with 'It's my way or the highway' style, sure this isn't for everyone but I doubt anybody got them there by force or kept there against their will.
I think it does. I'd rather posters here didn't post outright lies, like you did.
What now?!?
You seem more focused on the choice of words, when i'm more about what came out all of this and comparing it to precedents, cause i'm not particularly interested in fanboyism.
Honestly who cares what Eteri has literally said to her? That's what appears from an outside perspective.
- Alina decided to take a pause in her career after that disappointing free skate at the Grand Prix Final
- Her sister (is she her agent? i swear i've heard that somewhere, i'll do my researches on that) complains about Alina lack of motivation, laziness,... in regards to that performance, stating she should follow the process, and other things were said in an Instagram post that was then deleted (BTW)
https://fs-gossips.com/there-are-no...zes-sister-commented-the-results-of-gpf-2019/
Also is she the same person who trashed Tuktamysheva in an old IG story/Periscope from Diana Davis? I remember that as well (from like 2015-2016)
- Compare that to every other situation with her former skaters, and you can notice all the similarities.
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1. No, and I never said that. The discussion is beyond old, so I‘d rather leave it at that: Saying that I think Shuboderova didn‘t lie doesn’t mean that I automatically think other Tutberidze students are liars. One doesn’t exclude the other. Personally, I think Shuboderova‘s words are supported by rather a lot, even though she might exaggerate in some aspects of the interview. But what use would it be to bring all my arguments on why I personally came to this conclusion when we‘ve had this very same discussion countless of times before and never even came close to finding a consensus? In some aspects it‘s better to agree to disagree.
2. :agree: I‘d never deny me being guilty of that as well. But considering you yourself didn‘t bring ANY argument whatsoever to your statement other than “she left the group a long time ago“, I‘d say the same applies to you as well. My comment was pure sarcasm, criticism taken. But considering what I’ve seen from the skating world the last few days, I feel safe to say I’m not the worst offender.
(At least I‘m not a coach having a catfight with another coach on Instagram. And that was sarcasm again and now I‘ll see myself out.
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Who cares about what Eteri said,but Let's discuss what her drunk sister said when hordes of aggressive people attacked her IG page.
And Frankly, who cares what Alina said either, it's Marina Hoffman we are all interested in.
