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So happy for her! She was struggling earlier in the season (and already at the end of last season I think?) so it’s good to see her getting back on track.
2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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So happy for her! She was struggling earlier in the season (and already at the end of last season I think?) so it’s good to see her getting back on track.
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And only Nugumanova's score counts for SB but it's likely too low for a Russian to be invited. It's 8 points lower than Tarakanova's, who may not even stay in top 24 herself (I don't think Nugumanova was included in the original "skaters who for sure won't get a GP" post, though, because her chances, while low, are much higher that e.g. Shulskaya's). Guliakova's and Tsibinova's scores don't count because Tallin Trophy wasn't a Challenger this year (junior Golden Spin doesn't count either). There was a discussion at the time about why both Tsibinova and Guliakova were at Tallin Trophy and not as CS Warsaw Cup, which took place just a couple of days later with only 2 (instead of 3) Russians.
Have a look yourself:
http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2019-20/sbtslto.htm – no Guliakova and Tsibinova. The remaining senior B competitions don't count either.
Some of them are on this list but outside top 24:
http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsladies.htm
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Goncharenko: Shcherbakova was insanely good in the Russian Championships in Krasnoyarsk
MOSCOW, Dec 28 - RIA Novosti, Yelena Dyachkova. Anna Shcherbakova, who won the Russian championship in Krasnoyarsk, was “insanely good” during her performance, all the more it was not easy for her to defend her title, Inna Goncharenko, Merited Coach of Russia, told RIA Novosti.
Shcherbakova, who won the Russian championship last year, became the winner of the tournament held in Krasnoyarsk on Saturday. The second place was taken by Alena Kostornaya, the third - by Alexander Trusov.
" It was expected that these three girls would win the prizes. For us, of course, it was very interesting and exciting, but you can imagine how intense the struggle, emotions, passions were for them. We must be grateful over what we've seen, that we live in this moment, because what these girls are doing is something phenomenal! "
“ Anya was insanely good! Moreover, she won the Russian championship last year, and to prove a title is always much more difficult. I think it was not easy for her to collect herself for this performance. Maybe she had a little plus due to the fact that she competed before the other girls, but all this is relative. "
According to Goncharenko, Kostornaya, who had previously won the Grand Prix Final, made some small errors that prevented them from competing for the gold of the Russian championship:
“ Alyona had small errors on her jump exits, which slightly spoiled the impression and could not go unnoticed by the judges. But she stood, kept herself together, did not fall anywhere, although it was evident she was a little shaken, that she was nervous. ”
“ And for Sasha (Trusova) it was insanely hard, competing last. She didn’t succeed in starting the program. I haven’t seen her pop her jumps before, she jumped out of the Toeloop for the first time. But character is character and a rocket is a rocket. She completed the second half beautifully, which allowed her to stay in medal position. "
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From: https://rsport.ria.ru/20191228/1562979400.html
Bestemyanova: Shcherbakova showed phenomenal skating in the Russian Championships
“ Absolutely stunning competition, it was like aerobatics! It’s very unfortunate that Sasha Trusova did not skate as she would've liked, because she is such a wonderful girl. But the main thing is that all three have selected themselves for the main starts. They are so competitive with each other that always one will be happy, and the other two will be upset. They are all focused on winning, they cannot be satisfied with second or third place. This is amazing. "
“ Shcherbakova won because she did three quadruple jumps - two Lutz's and a flip, which she recently learned. Anya really pleased me, her skating was phenomenal. Kostornaya’s skating is dear to me, but quad jumps give her such an advance in the technical score, they bring so many points that competing against so many quadruples is simply unrealistic. Yes, and Kostornaya didn’t skate as she should today - two exits were bad, and she didn’t get the GOE grades that she should have received otherwise. "
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From: https://rsport.ria.ru/20191228/1562980523.html
Vasil'yev hopes that Trusova's results at the Championship of Russia will make her only stronger
“ (A) defeat is painful, because for every person it is a serious internal trauma when he knows he is strong, technically prepared, but does not withstand the stress load. It tempers many, although there are some athletes who are broken by it, and the memory of it remains deep in the psyche . On the other hand, 'what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger' and more durable. So in this situation, it will make her stronger. "
“ But let's remember that we are talking about children, and 15 years olds are really children who need the help of adults. Parents will help her anyway, but she needs a real professional who will offer her a shoulder. This is an injury, she really sobbed, for she was hurt for real. So now she needs to be helped if we want to keep her. "
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From: https://tass.ru/sport/7442003
Gleikhengauz summed up the results of the Russian championship in Krasnoyarsk
" The Championship of Russia have ended and our girls have occupied the entire pedestal! We again proved that Team Tutberidze and our school Sambo-70 are the best in the country!
Congratulations to all on this achievement! Thanks to everyone who was rooting for us at the TV screens, and especially to those who were in the stands, it was hot in Krasnoyarsk these days. The season continues and ahead of us are the European and World Championships. "
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From: https://www.instagram.com/p/B6prJCLIbHy
#РаботаемДальше_и_ТолькоВПерёд
MOSCOW, Dec 28 - RIA Novosti, Yelena Dyachkova. Anna Shcherbakova, who won the Russian championship in Krasnoyarsk, was “insanely good” during her performance, all the more it was not easy for her to defend her title, Inna Goncharenko, Merited Coach of Russia, told RIA Novosti.
Shcherbakova, who won the Russian championship last year, became the winner of the tournament held in Krasnoyarsk on Saturday. The second place was taken by Alena Kostornaya, the third - by Alexander Trusov.
" It was expected that these three girls would win the prizes. For us, of course, it was very interesting and exciting, but you can imagine how intense the struggle, emotions, passions were for them. We must be grateful over what we've seen, that we live in this moment, because what these girls are doing is something phenomenal! "
“ Anya was insanely good! Moreover, she won the Russian championship last year, and to prove a title is always much more difficult. I think it was not easy for her to collect herself for this performance. Maybe she had a little plus due to the fact that she competed before the other girls, but all this is relative. "
According to Goncharenko, Kostornaya, who had previously won the Grand Prix Final, made some small errors that prevented them from competing for the gold of the Russian championship:
“ Alyona had small errors on her jump exits, which slightly spoiled the impression and could not go unnoticed by the judges. But she stood, kept herself together, did not fall anywhere, although it was evident she was a little shaken, that she was nervous. ”
“ And for Sasha (Trusova) it was insanely hard, competing last. She didn’t succeed in starting the program. I haven’t seen her pop her jumps before, she jumped out of the Toeloop for the first time. But character is character and a rocket is a rocket. She completed the second half beautifully, which allowed her to stay in medal position. "
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From: https://rsport.ria.ru/20191228/1562979400.html
Bestemyanova: Shcherbakova showed phenomenal skating in the Russian Championships
“ Absolutely stunning competition, it was like aerobatics! It’s very unfortunate that Sasha Trusova did not skate as she would've liked, because she is such a wonderful girl. But the main thing is that all three have selected themselves for the main starts. They are so competitive with each other that always one will be happy, and the other two will be upset. They are all focused on winning, they cannot be satisfied with second or third place. This is amazing. "
“ Shcherbakova won because she did three quadruple jumps - two Lutz's and a flip, which she recently learned. Anya really pleased me, her skating was phenomenal. Kostornaya’s skating is dear to me, but quad jumps give her such an advance in the technical score, they bring so many points that competing against so many quadruples is simply unrealistic. Yes, and Kostornaya didn’t skate as she should today - two exits were bad, and she didn’t get the GOE grades that she should have received otherwise. "
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From: https://rsport.ria.ru/20191228/1562980523.html
Vasil'yev hopes that Trusova's results at the Championship of Russia will make her only stronger
“ (A) defeat is painful, because for every person it is a serious internal trauma when he knows he is strong, technically prepared, but does not withstand the stress load. It tempers many, although there are some athletes who are broken by it, and the memory of it remains deep in the psyche . On the other hand, 'what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger' and more durable. So in this situation, it will make her stronger. "
“ But let's remember that we are talking about children, and 15 years olds are really children who need the help of adults. Parents will help her anyway, but she needs a real professional who will offer her a shoulder. This is an injury, she really sobbed, for she was hurt for real. So now she needs to be helped if we want to keep her. "
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From: https://tass.ru/sport/7442003
Gleikhengauz summed up the results of the Russian championship in Krasnoyarsk
" The Championship of Russia have ended and our girls have occupied the entire pedestal! We again proved that Team Tutberidze and our school Sambo-70 are the best in the country!
Congratulations to all on this achievement! Thanks to everyone who was rooting for us at the TV screens, and especially to those who were in the stands, it was hot in Krasnoyarsk these days. The season continues and ahead of us are the European and World Championships. "
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From: https://www.instagram.com/p/B6prJCLIbHy
#РаботаемДальше_и_ТолькоВПерёд
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I can't disagree with you. The scary thing for Sasha is she is getting used to coming in third. Why can't her parents or someone close to her just say pull back a little bit try for quads in a free skate? Anna Ballerina is doing it perfectly her routine is complex enough with three quads to get her massive points but it's not too much for her like if she was trying to do five or six quads. And to me this is why Anns wins besides being absolutely fantastic.
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Press conference of Anna, Aliona and Sasha with subs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFmeGwRGlrU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFmeGwRGlrU
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Anastasia Guliakova will attempt a 3A at the Russian Cup Final (maybe even earlier if she's assigned to another competition): https://www.oblgazeta.ru/amp/sport/figure-skating/103759/?__twitter_impression=true
Here's her 2017 successful attempt in training:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQLgJL2AYAL/?igshid=187haol919ppy
Here's her 2017 successful attempt in training:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQLgJL2AYAL/?igshid=187haol919ppy
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In other news, did anyone catch the Gala?
To me - best exhibition hands down was Liza's! I love some silliness in my ex's and this was a perfect example
Also she wore green my favourite colour.
My next favourite was Sasha's, love the costume, love the song, love that she seemed back to her old self after her disappointment.
Zhenya Med's ex really impressed me with the emotion of it, great to see her there
I enjoyed Aliona's ex, the cane is a nice touch!
My stream decided to die before I could see Anna's ex :/ costume looked good though!
To me - best exhibition hands down was Liza's! I love some silliness in my ex's and this was a perfect example
Also she wore green my favourite colour.My next favourite was Sasha's, love the costume, love the song, love that she seemed back to her old self after her disappointment.
Zhenya Med's ex really impressed me with the emotion of it, great to see her there
I enjoyed Aliona's ex, the cane is a nice touch!
My stream decided to die before I could see Anna's ex :/ costume looked good though!
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Daaamn, wow. She literally just made a huge breakthrough these nationals and announcing a 3A is a very good move! A good competition at cup final, and she might just make it internationally.
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Here is what SE wrote about it:
The press conference after the Russian Championship clearly showed the full triumph of Eteri Tutberidze's school.
Three of her students came after half an hour of waiting, accompanied by Dar'ya Pavlyuchenko. “Will you ask questions?” Shcherbakova asked her jokingly. “Yeah,” the bronze medalist of the pairs tournament nodded. After the explosion of emotions at the boards she came to the press conference already calm and smiling. Apparently, the consolations of the Tutberidze and staff helped, who buried with soft toys from the stands, including a plush rocket.
The mentor of Shcherbakova, Kostornaya and Trusova also appeared at the press conference. True, not for long - she stole the skaters away:
“I'm literally for a minute.” We’ll take a joint photo, because I need to fly out already, ” Tutberidze explained. The three skaters, of course, went to a photo shoot behind closed doors.
Another event was the question of the Japanese journalist about the latest doping scandal. Perhaps only a foreigner could ask such a question. The girls gave each other the right to answer for a long time, in the end, Kostornaya answered for everyone, after consulting with the press officer of the federation.
Anna Shcherbakova, the Champion:
About performance evaluation:
- I can say that everything almost turned out as conceived, to date, I managed. I am also pleased that I managed to qualify for the main starts of the season. I'm glad, before the New Year my mood did not get spoiled.
About the possibility of improvisation:
- Of course, we work this out every day, especially so that there are no unpleasant situations, everything is very honed. We do like in training. But this is the second time I arrived a little earlier than the music, and before the spin sequence I take an extra step, because I have already been told before, I was. Additional steps are undesirable, but sometimes necessary.
About plans to learn other jumps:
- I will now work on a triple Axel and try to insert it into my programs.
About the difference between the last Championship of Russia and the current:
- This year there was more excitement, I understood that this was a selection for important starts.
How to keep friendships over daily dealings:
- I think this is because on ice we are not focused on fighting each other, but on showing our maximum. And we spend a lot of time together.
Alyona Kostornaya, Silver Medalist:
About performance evaluation:
- I could skate better. This is not the result that I would like to show. But I will work harder and, I hope, I will no longer be dissatisfied.
About learning jumps:
- Time will tell.
About the difference between the last championship of Russia and the current:
- I did not feel much pressure.
About the doping scandal and neutral flag appearance:
- Not all issues have yet been resolved, not all results have been evaluated (appeals - tells the press officer of the Federation Olga Yermolina).
About deductions for jumping:
- On every unsuccessful jump, I broke a fingernail. This is even worse than not making the jump. I am unhappy with my triple Axel and my cascade of Flip - Toeloop. This is not the level I can do.
Aleksandra Trusova, Bronze Medalist:
About performance evaluation:
- I’m not happy with my skating run, I will work, I hope it will work out next time.
About plans to learn new jumps:
- I only need the Rittberger, I will try it at the end of the season.
About the difference between the last Championship of Russia and the current:
- I traditionally close the Championship of Russia, although I do not like to skate last, but I always skate. Of course, there was more pressure because it was necessary to be selected.
The fact that last year each of you "troika" had a victory in a major tournament:
- With the World Championship remaining? Then I hope to maintain this tradition.
About how to keep positive:
- At the Grand Prix finals, I was not upset because I went for these jumps I had just learned and didn't always succeed. Here I am upset, because all rehearsals I skated well, and warm ups too.
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From: https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...ya-scherbakovoy-kostornoy-i-trusovoy-1627065/
I think this nationals just showed that Sasha probably needs a 4 quad program to beat Anna and Alena, since she looses on PCS and Anna already has 3 quads. With a 3 quad program, Sasha can maximize GEO, but that doesn’t give a lot of room for error.
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No question about it. I think Sasha is losing some confidence because she knows with five quads there's a very good chance she's going to mess up on a couple of them. She's still growing in every way as a figure skater including physically. So much is on Sasha's plate it's really overwhelming just as a fan. But she has to live with it and now she has to figure out a way how to pull back a little bit and still give her a chance to beat the top skaters.
Despite the grave results for Sasha for the last two majors the RusFed decided not to enforce the summary execution and give her another chance.
Doing good in EC may restart her career.
I'm happy and grateful to RusFed.
And I'm only afraid failing at Europeans will throw her deep down below.
Looks like a psychological problem to me. She knows she can do not only better, she literally can do anything best male skaters do at their best day.
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What utter nonsense! “Grave results“ - bronze at GPF and Nationals. She made mistakes and her Nationals FS was unusually bad, yes. I‘m sure she herself knows that. But she is still on the team for Euros and Worlds and she can do better there. She‘s still the girl who won both her GP events and the Challengers she did. She needs no restart of her career because it never ended. I mean, come on. She‘s 15!
As for failing at Euros and psychological problems... why can‘t we just call it her being human instead? I know I am guilty too, saying she would be unbeatable at the beginning of the season. Well, turns out she wasn‘t and that‘s okay. Maybe we should all get our expectations in check. She‘s a girl, insanely talented, but still just a girl. She can fail like everybody else. This whole business of “she can compete against men“, she can beat them and whatever.... why is her success only measured by how well she would stack up against a bunch of dudes who are often 10 years her senior? Why don‘t we celebrate what she herself can do instead of always asking here (and asking at press conferences) whether she would “like to compete against the guys“? You can all hate me for this but we have two divisions in this sport for a reason. And Sasha‘s success should be celebrated for what it is and not only how well she would hypothetically do against the male skaters. Let her jump side by side quad toes with Hanyu at the gala, alright. That‘s adorable and admirable and just fun. But these insane expectations for her to be unbeatable and the quad machine and whatnot, need to stop.
Honestly. I know I‘m ranting right now. But seriously. Seeing Sasha cry, Aliona being so upset over a skate where the literal two imperfections were two slightly rough landings and Anna not being able to properly celebrate her success makes me wonder what we let these kids walk into. And it shows me they‘re just teenagers and they‘re allowed to be emotional and this whole elevating them to the high heavens needs to stop. At their very best (and probably below that as well), they‘re the best of the current field, clearly. But they‘re allowed to have bad days, too. And they‘re not invincible, unbeatable or whatever. They‘re incredibly talented, hard-working teenagers competing in a cruel field full of expectations and pressure. And so far, they‘re doing a mighty fine job. I wish instead of calling their failures “psychological problems“, someone would go up to them and tell them: “you know, failing is totally human. You can make mistakes, it‘s okay. Next time you will do better.“
Rant over.
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... evil tongues already suggest she'd best be handed over to some other rink where she can be "finalised" to real standards and given "proper attention" of true trainers .... :dev2:
No, no, never. Aleksandra is also loyal to a fault to her trainers and vice versa, has supportive, caring and understanding parents, and has learned not to dwell on misfortune, never to look back, only learn from mishaps and look towards the future with bright eyes and an open mind.
The three of Aleksandra, Alyona and Anna are caught in this upwards spiral and their close interaction in daily trainings will benefit all three equally.
I've just listened to a Sports Express live stream, where they discussed the psychology of training together with other strong and eager athletes in a team with a totally dedicated staff, and where this can lead to.
For athletes this young are still in the 'dependent' phase, and their motivation is not competing in itself, but winning, obeying their trainers who put their efforts and trust in them. I.e. they don't compete yet for this personal feeling of 'being high' after winning a fight, but pleasing others.
There was a recent publication on sports psychology I remember from the latest issue of "Moskovskiy Figurist", which was mentioned and I now must find and interpret for myself.
The Tutberidze Effect in full force is at work here. It was also discussed that Zagitova might have felt sort of being left on the outer radius of this cyclone and subsequently whirled down to earth and started thinking about how to get back into this upwards spiral. I.e. she has just broken away from this 'dependent' phase and now must explore her 'Ich' for personal motivation. Taking a break from the daily grind, going wild perhaps for a while, having her 'Sturm und Drang' phase of adolescence, finding herself and coming back with a different spirit, mindset and motivation.
Problem, sort of in conservative sports circles is that hiring external competence in sports psychology is considered a failure in trainers and weakness in athletes.
But with a successful and wealthy rink like Khrustalniy, where there are many adults with totally different characters and ties to the athletes working daily with them, has all the amenities in place to keep their athletes both physically healty and fit and psychologically sane and sharp. I've said before one shouldn't underestimate the roles of Lyudmila Shalashova and her successor the ballet teacher, the physiotherapist, or Zeleznyakov, who see the skaters daily and might offer them a shoulder to cry on, a listening ear or even a confidante to get certain issues out of the way.
Passing through puberty into adolescence and young adulthood is just beginning for many of the young athletes we have seen competing in the National Championships. We'll check back next year to find out what has become of them
I am glad that Eteri is already well-established at the moment, for otherwise I can totally see the possibility of Sasha being "moved" to other more "honored" coaches, like what happened years ago.
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Sinitsyna & Frolova too young for Euros?
But the 3A are not?
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Well, hate to break it to you but there will most likely come a time when one of the 3A will want to switch to another coach. It‘s insanely hard to have two direct rivals at the same rink, with the same coach and it works in very few instances (Hanyu and Fernandez being one but that was a truly unique case). Not to mention three girls, who, at one point will all be capable of winning the biggest prize. It works at the moment because stakes aren‘t so high and they are still very young but even now we‘ve seen hurt feelings and tears. I admittedly kind of like this whole 3A business, the thought of them being close friends and competitors at the same time and all that. But they won‘t be 3A forever, they will want to be Alexandra Trusova, Aliona Kostornaya and Anna Shcherbakova. And I don‘t know if keeping them at the same rink then, when they‘ve matured mentally, will work. Actually, I‘m pretty sure that it won‘t. Just saying.
They‘re 14, as far as I know. Sasha and Anna are 15, Aliona 16. You need to be 15 by a certain date before you‘re allowed to debut as a senior but I always forget which one. I believe Sinitsyna (and Kanysheva) will be old enough for senior next year, though. No idea about Frolova.
Makar Ignatov did no senior challengers last season, skipped Nationals, and had very low PB, but RusFed gave him the spots anyway (the host third spot and NHK replacing someone else) as soon as they proved his consistency at russian cup events and test skates.
They can totally do the same with Guliakova if RusFed wants to.
It can happen, especially now that she announced she may show the triple axel very soon.
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Well.. the Davis/White Virtue/Moir thing worked for a while (although didn't someone say they wanted to leave in the summer of '13 but it was felt it would be too disruptive in the Olympic season?)
I think it can work but it would not surprise me if one of the 3 A left at some point especially if some of the jr. come up and start doing very well. I think it is important to remember that students leave coaches sometimes just because they need change. They still really like and care for their former coaches but need to find motivation by seeking a different approach. Also sometimes a athlete will thrive under one coach while others do not. When everyone suggest people go to Brian Orser or Raf for example I think it has been proven that Brian and Raf are the not the coaches for every type of skater and my guess is Eteri is not the right coach for every type of skater. Just as with teachers at school some are better but not every student learns best with that one teacher.
I think it can work but it would not surprise me if one of the 3 A left at some point especially if some of the jr. come up and start doing very well. I think it is important to remember that students leave coaches sometimes just because they need change. They still really like and care for their former coaches but need to find motivation by seeking a different approach. Also sometimes a athlete will thrive under one coach while others do not. When everyone suggest people go to Brian Orser or Raf for example I think it has been proven that Brian and Raf are the not the coaches for every type of skater and my guess is Eteri is not the right coach for every type of skater. Just as with teachers at school some are better but not every student learns best with that one teacher.
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Maker Ignatov was added to the replacement pool by winning a Challenger event at the beginning of this season (Nebelhorn Trophy). It's in the rules. Of course Anastasia & Co. may also win a CS event and be taken into consideration for non-host-spots but they have to be assigned to it first.
